Out Of The Clouds

Anne V Mühlethaler
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Jun 23, 2022 • 1h 22min

Dr Jonathan Kaplan on urban mindfulness, psychological flexibility and living from our values

In this episode, Anne Muhlethaler interviews Dr Jonathan Kaplan, Ph.D. Dr Kaplan is a licensed clinical psychologist, author and teacher, an expert in cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT), an ACT therapist (for Acceptance and Commitment Therapy) and also works with the application of mindfulness and meditation in psychotherapy.Dr Kaplan runs the SoHo CBT + Mindfulness Center, he also teaches courses to undergraduates at The New School in "Mindfulness and Meditation in Psychology" and "Culture, Ethnicity, and Mental Health." Prior to that, he taught graduate courses in "Evidence-Based Practice" and "Mindfulness and Meditation in Cognitive Behavioural Therapy." He is a visiting faculty member at the Nalanda Institute (which is how Anne came across him), and has held numerous other teaching positions in the past. Dr Kaplan has also written several books, with subjects including the application of mindfulness to city experiences and viewing love and relationships from a modern behavioural perspective. In fall 2020, he also contributed to a playful gift box that incorporated mindfulness with the care of houseplants (i.e., Plantfulness).Over the course of this interview, Anne invites Dr Kaplan to talk about his path, which led him from California to Japan and back, and how he left an early career in law to get into psychology, first working on a suicide hotline. He tells Anne about how he began to meditate while serving as a psychology intern, having to lead patients with psychiatric disability in meditation, and the effects he observed on them. The two of them also talk about Urban Mindfulness, the title of the online column and subsequent book Dr Kaplan wrote, and how those of us living in noisy big cities can find calm and navigate through it all. They discuss some of the practices outlined in the book, including how to deal with sensory overload and what Dr Kaplan calls the mindfulness of diversity, to help us explore our biases and blind spots. To conclude, the two of them discuss the powerful possibilities and psychological flexibility offered by ACT, how it can help us work with limiting stories, away from cognitive diffusion or experiential avoidance, and how this method (which leans on mindfulness) encourages us to act in the world according to our values. A deeply engaging and fascinating interview, full of insights. Happy listening! ***You can find Dr Jonathan Kaplan at Soho CBT - https://www.sohocbt.com/team/dr-kaplanor on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanskaplan/https://nalandainstitute.org/His book, Urban Mindfulness https://www.amazon.com/Urban-Mindfulness-Cultivating-Presence-Purpose/dp/1572247495and his other book ACT and RFT in Relationships https://www.amazon.com/ACT-RFT-Relationships-Commitments-Acceptance/dp/1608823342/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1655999778&refinements=p_27%3AJonathan+S+Kaplan+PhD&s=books&sr=1-1&text=Jonathan+S+Kaplan+PhDThe blog post Anne wrote after her a-ha moment, thanks to Dr Kaplan and his lecture on ACT is here https://avm.consulting/looking-forward/why-i-want-a-flexible-brainACT (to sound as the word 'act) or Acceptance & commitment therapy -  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceptance_and_commitment_therapySteven C Hayes, founder of ACT - https://stevenchayes.com/about/Dr Herbert Benson and the relaxation response - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Relaxation_ResponseTranscendental meditation or TM - https://www.tm.org/Wu wei - or the concept of non-doing in Taoism - https://www.theschooloflife.com/article/wu-wei-doing-nothing/Walden, the book by Henry David Thoreau - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walden***If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, it helps people find us and also helps to secure future guests. Thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: Twitter: @annvi  IG: @_outoftheclouds This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.Visit our website Out of the Clouds : https://outoftheclouds.com/Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_outofthecloudsAnne on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/annvi/Anne on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/annvi.bsky.socialAnne on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anne-v-muhlethaler/Please subscribe and leave us a review ✨ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Jun 5, 2022 • 1h 6min

Archana Jain on purpose-driven communication, telling good stories, and why PR matters

In this episode of Out of the Clouds, host Anne Muhlethaler reconnects with Archana Jain, an accomplished PR and communications professional, and the founder of PR Pundit, one of India’s top integrated communications firms. Archana has been at the forefront of her industry since her early days in the field and is widely recognised as a leading personality in PR, communication and media. She has been acknowledged as India’s top 100 PR communications professionals, as well as among India’s 50 Most Influential Women in Indian Media, Marketing & Advertising (2019, 2020 & 2021) and featured in the “Top 100 Influential Game Changers List.”Anne and Archana collaborated a few years ago, and got to know each other, back when Anne was heading global communications for French shoe designer Christian Louboutin. Over the course of this conversation, Archana tells the story of her beginnings in PR, how she went from consulting into working towards consumer-focused communication, to building her company and creating meaningful programs for the right audiences. She talks to Anne about why public relations still matters today, how it’s imperative for brands to be telling authentic stories and why PR is a long game - not a quick win, and current challenges given that it’s not an age-old profession. They also discuss changes in the media landscape and the rise of purpose-driven communications and community advocacy, in the age of social media. Archana also offers her thoughts on what it’s been like to be a woman at the head of her own business, how the landscape changed in the past twenty years, but also how she chose to  integrate flexibility and WFH capabilities for her team since 2004 - and how satisfying it’s been for her to be able to help women balance their personal and professional commitments. You’ll probably notice a loud peacock (or two) in the background, as some were roaming behind Archana’s home office during the interview. A good way to set the scene for this warm and in-depth interview with this influential entrepreneur. Happy listening!  ***Selected links from the episode:You can find Archana on IG @AJPundit and on Twitter @AJPunditOn LinkedIn Archana Jain Find out more about PR Pundit on their website http://www.prpundit.com/ - or on IG https://www.instagram.com/PRPundit/The origin and meaning of the word Pundit - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PunditTripundra - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TripundraVogue India - https://www.vogue.in/Adidas Run for the Oceans campaign - https://thecsrjournal.in/adidas-run-for-the-oceans-unites-over-87k-runners-across-india/Archana's interview on CommSpeak with Amith Prashu - https://youtu.be/1Zn2uWJARo0The German tampon PR campaign by Female Company via The GuardianThe exceptional Kate Winslet for L'Oréal campaign - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjcd6Xu4MYUParvati Valley - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parvati_ValleyKashmir Shaivism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_ShaivismThe Hungry Tide, book by Amitav Ghosh https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4950.The_Hungry_TideA suitable boy, the book by Vikram Seth https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50365.A_Suitable_BoyThe Emperor of All Maladies, a biography of cancer, the book by Siddhartha Mukherjee https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7170627-the-emperor-of-all-maladies***If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, it helps people find us and also helps to secure future guests. Thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: Twitter: @annvi  IG: @_outoftheclouds This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.Visit our website Out of the Clouds : https://outoftheclouds.com/Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_outofthecloudsAnne on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/annvi/Anne on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/annvi.bsky.socialAnne on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anne-v-muhlethaler/Please subscribe and leave us a review ✨ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Apr 28, 2022 • 1h 19min

Jennifer Fisher on building a business, talismans and making smarter choices

In this episode of Out of the Clouds, host Anne Muhlethaler interviews her friend, New York-based jewelry designer Jennifer Fisher. The two met in New York, many moons ago, over a long dinner at Mr Chow’s in Tribeca and had an instantaneous bond. Jennifer is a member of the Council of Fashion Designers of America (CFDA), a nominee for the 2020 and 2019 Accessory Designer of the Year at the annual CFDA Awards, a recipient of the 2018 Town & Country Jewelry Award for Retail Innovation, the 2016 Influencer of the Year at the annual Accessories Council Excellence (ACE) Awards and was a nominee for the CFDA Swarovski Accessories award in 2014. She speaks frequently about strategic leadership, brand building and empowering the next generation of fashion entrepreneurs.A long-time wardrobe stylist who grew up in California, Jennifer started making jewelry after her son Shane was born, which followed treatment for a tumor in her chest and several failed rounds of IVF. In their conversation, she tells Anne the story of creating that talisman, a special piece that became a powerful charm to mark the birth of her baby, and how it became a natural starting point for her brand. A born entrepreneur, Jennifer shares how at age five she was already selling caterpillar hair clips and button earrings to the local store. She also tells Anne how growing up, she watched her polo-playing, silversmith grandfather solder bolo ties and belt buckles, a likely inspiration for her own jewelry making. Of course they discuss business, too, including how Jennifer cultivates a positive mindset despite the stress of her career (especially in the last two years), and how she lets herself learn from things that don’t work. The two also talk in depth about the way they eat, because Jennifer, a wonderful cook, recently launched a line of condiments, Jennifer Fisher Salt (the ultimate seasoning, as it’s been dubbed by Goop). They also connect on the importance of making smarter choices when it comes to food and their personal reasons for that, too.  They finish by talking about Jennifer’s latest venture, a new fragrance (which she describes is like a cookie on vacation!) and the wonderful partnership she has with Kevin, her husband, both at work and at home. An inspiring, joyful and very personal conversation. Happy listening! ***Selected links from episode: You can find Jennifer at https://jenniferfisherjewelry.com/Discover the salts & Jen's recipes at https://jenniferfisherjewelry.com/collections/saltsFollow Jennifer on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/jenniferfisherjewelry/And https://www.instagram.com/jenniferfisherkitchen/or Facebook https://www.facebook.com/JenniferFisherJewelryPhotographer Luke Gilford https://www.lukegilford.com/and his portraits of Pamela Anderson https://www.pamelaandersonfoundation.org/news/2016/2/26/movies-by-luke-gilfordThe Glamour Magazine cover with Uma Thurman https://www.amazon.com/Glamour-Magazine-July-2006-Thurman/dp/B0026C424AJennifer's custom charm necklaces https://jenniferfisherjewelry.com/collections/charms-1https://www.glamour.com/story/jennifer-fisher-cfda-award-nTasis School in Lugano https://www.tasis.ch/Hashimoto's disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashimoto%27s_thyroiditisThe book Jennifer swears by, Ketotarian by Dr Will Cole - https://drwillcole.com/ketotarianA book Anne swears by, A Beautiful Constraint - http://www.abeautifulconstraint.com/the-book-2The song Bitch better have my money by Rihanna -  https://open.spotify.com/track/0NTMtAO2BV4tnGvw9EgBVq?autoplay=true ***If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, it helps people find us and also helps to secure future guests. Thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: Twitter: @annvi  IG: @_outoftheclouds This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.Visit our website Out of the Clouds : https://outoftheclouds.com/Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_outofthecloudsAnne on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/annvi/Anne on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/annvi.bsky.socialAnne on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anne-v-muhlethaler/Please subscribe and leave us a review ✨ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Apr 21, 2022 • 1h 50min

Wesley Faulkner on how community shapes us, inclusion and neurodiversity

In this episode, host of Out of the Clouds Anne Muhlethaler interviews Wesley Faulkner. Wesley is a first-generation American, public speaker, and podcaster, and he currently works as a Head of Community at SingleStore, co-hosts the developer relations focused podcast Community Pulse and serves on the board for South by Southwest. He is a founding member of the government transparency group Open Austin and a staunch supporter of racial justice, workplace equity and neurodiversity. A tech enthusiast since his teens, Wesley first trained as an electrical and computer engineer (despite growing up without owning a personal computer himself). He shares the arc of his multipronged career from hardware to software, how being an early adopter of Twitter led him to social media management, and later to ‘dev rel’ (or developer relations). The two discuss how Wesley navigated his life and career with a late diagnosis of ADHD and dyslexia, and how he became a passionate advocate for neurodiverse populations in the work environment. His THAT conference keynote, ‘Be like me… different’ was a great starting point to discuss how ‘community shapes us’, in which Wesley offers his perspective on the evolution of the role of social media manager, what to consider to create a community and his vision for the metaverse. Finally, Wesley offers his thoughts on how organisations can work towards being more inclusive for neurodivergent team members, including by measuring effort, not just success, and encouraging experimentation. A very passionate, in-depth and honest conversation. Happy listening!***Selected links from episode You cand find Wesley on Polywork and on Twitter On LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/wesley83/AMD - https://www.amd.com/enDevRel - or developer relations - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developer_relationsTHAT conference - https://that.us/that-conference/Wesley's keynote 'Be just like me... different' - https://that.us/activities/f0ByacQCrzrCC5kYNsMowhich you can watch on Youtube - https://youtu.be/YP7RfeX8xnYThe Workology Podcast with Wesley Faulkner - https://www.peatworks.org/podcast-neurodiversity-intersectionality-a-disclosure-challenge/SMART goals - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMART_criteriaPriya Parker book - The Art of Gathering You Can Change Other People book - https://bregmanpartners.com/books/you-can-change-other-people/The End of Bias book by Jessica Nordell - https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250186188/theendofbiasabeginningDon't Worry, Be Happy by Bobby McFerrin - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, it helps people find us and also helps to secure future guests. Thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: Twitter: @annvi  IG: @_outoftheclouds  This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.Visit our website Out of the Clouds : https://outoftheclouds.com/Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_outofthecloudsAnne on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/annvi/Anne on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/annvi.bsky.socialAnne on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anne-v-muhlethaler/Please subscribe and leave us a review ✨ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Mar 26, 2022 • 1h 24min

Jenny Sauer-Klein on experience design, connection and scaling intimacy

In this episode, Anne Muhlethaler, host of Out of the Clouds, interviews consultant and experience design specialist Jenny Sauer-Klein. Jenny is passionate about how we get together as groups and how we learn, and she regularly consults for organisations like Google, Airbnb, Dropbox and the Haas School of Business. She is a wonderful facilitator who has spent her life creating lasting experiences for a myriad of different audiences and is a frequent presenter at international conferences and has been featured in The New York Times, Forbes, Fast Company, and Inc., as well as Tim Ferriss’ book “Tools of Titans”.In this conversation, the native New Yorker shares with Anne her personal journey, how she went from Broadway actress to yoga teacher, which led her to therapeutic acrobatics and then on to launching AcroYoga with co-founder Jason Nemer. Jenny talks about how she stepped away from this previous career despite having scaled AcroYoga to an international brand, community and organisation with millions of practitioners, and how she came later to understand that the values that AcroYoga was based on -- trust, connection and playfulness -- were still her core values that would guide her towards her next steps.Jenny also explains her thoughts on how we gather and learn. The two go over some of the pillars of the experience design training program Jenny created (named Scaling Intimacy, which Anne took last year) and how you can help people make a crowd of 100 people feel like a gathering of 10. The three-day workshop caters to those wanting to develop interactive and engaging live events where collaborative learning and connection are privileged over content. ​​​   Finally, the new mom talks about her experience of pregnancy during COVID, and distils the essence of the TED talk she gave (while 8 months pregnant) in January 2021 on the 3 Keys to Virtual Connection. If you are into leading engaging events or want to create meaningful experiences and inspire your communities with a sense of purpose and connection, this is the episode for you. Happy listening! *** Selected Links from Episode You can find Jenny at https://www.jennysauerklein.com/And Scaling Intimacy School of Experience Design - https://scalingintimacy.com/Play on Purpose - https://playonpurpose.com/You can watch Jenny's TED talk, the 3 keys of virtual connection https://www.ted.com/talks/jenny_sauer_klein_3_keys_to_virtual_connectionKen Nateshvar Scott https://contactyoga.com/Jason Nemer and Acro YogaLearning zones framework - https://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/learning-zone-model.htmPryia Parker - The Art of Gathering bookThe study by Arthur Aarons about interpersonal closeness https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0146167297234003Business Insider article on Breema, Tim Ferriss and no hurry, no pause https://www.businessinsider.com/how-tim-ferriss-keeps-from-burning-out-2017-1?r=US&IR=TBreema - https://www.breema.com/The Red Tent - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4989.The_Red_TentStinson Beach - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stinson_Beach,_CaliforniaThe song Ani Kuni by Polo & Pan  *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, it helps people find us and also helps to secure future guests. Thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: Twitter: @annvi  IG: @_outoftheclouds  This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.Visit our website Out of the Clouds : https://outoftheclouds.com/Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_outofthecloudsAnne on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/annvi/Anne on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/annvi.bsky.socialAnne on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anne-v-muhlethaler/Please subscribe and leave us a review ✨ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Mar 17, 2022 • 1h 20min

Manfreda Cavazza on not fitting in, the craft of writing and adopting an audience-first mindset

In this episode of Out of the Clouds, host Anne Muhlethaler interviews writer, copy editor and journalist Manfreda Cavazza.The two have been collaborating since late 2020, with Manfreda supporting Anne in her writing for the blog and newsletter she publishes weekly for her company, AVM Consulting. They share a number of values, including, among other things, a love of words well used, storytelling and values-driven strategies. In this interview, the Italian-English writer shares stories about her childhood spent between Brazil, Italy and England, her beginnings as a journalist in London covering the retail sector, and her adventures sailing around the world for a year with her husband and two young daughters. Manfreda loves to talk about voice - the importance of purposeful writing and tone - as a tool for brands or freelancers to leverage when crafting their message so they find the right audience. The two talk about thinking of the audience first, why they dislike the word “content,” and how we could all do well to remember to use a little humour in writing copy. For anyone who cares about how writing can support connection with your clients or audience, this is a wonderful interview full of applicable insights. Happy listening! ***Selected links from episode You can find Manfreda at https://www.manfredacavazza.com/or on LinkedIn and Instagram @freddiewrite78Read Manfreda's travel blog https://smallhandsondeck.wordpress.com/Mahon, one of Manfreda's favorite spots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mah%C3%B3nPrincess Diana Beach in Barbuda https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g147253-d11998734-Reviews-Princess_Diana_Beach-Barbuda_Antigua_and_Barbuda.htmlAnn Handley, who Manfreda quotes https://annhandley.com/and writer Anne Lamott https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_LamottTony's Chocolonely - https://tonyschocolonely.com/int/enMailchimp's Tone & Voice document - https://styleguide.mailchimp.com/voice-and-tone/Any Human Heart by William Boyd - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Any_Human_Heart***If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, it helps people find us and also helps to secure future guests. Thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: Twitter: @annvi  IG: @_outoftheclouds This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.Visit our website Out of the Clouds : https://outoftheclouds.com/Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_outofthecloudsAnne on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/annvi/Anne on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/annvi.bsky.socialAnne on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anne-v-muhlethaler/Please subscribe and leave us a review ✨ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Mar 10, 2022 • 1h 21min

Julie Granger on passion, teaching, and making the benefits of ballet available to all

In this episode of Out of the Clouds, host Anne Muhlethaler interviews celebrity fitness trainer and former ballerina Julie Granger. Anne came across Julie via an online recommendation and was immediately struck not only by the instructor’s passion for teaching and the effectiveness of her classes (particularly Brooklyn Barre), but also by the combination of her warmth and dry sense of humour. In this interview, they dig into Julie’s journey from the outskirts of Paris to the Boston Ballet, why she left her ballerina career behind, and how she decided to pursue new callings, including yoga, fitness and entrepreneurship. Currently based between Paris and Lisbon, Julie explains how she is ‘three-quarters teacher’, and why she is not teaching by default but as a choice since it’s something she truly loves. Having opened her first studio the week before the first COVID lockdown in 2020, the ex-ballerina opens up on the difficulties she faced then and how grateful she is to have been able to continue to lead her community of students (her ‘Squad,’ as she calls them) virtually.  Anne and Julie discuss the competitive culture of celebrity trainers in New York and the benefits of discipline and passion. Julie also shares how she wants to offer her students not just the benefits of a toned and energised body but for them to have a great time while engaging with fitness, as well as how she hopes to make the benefits of ballet available to all. Finally, Julie covers how she’s learned to be kinder to herself, as we often are our own harshest critics, and why kindness is what matters most. A passionate, wise, and spirited interview. Happy listening! ***You can find Julie at https://www.julie-granger.com/or follow her on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/jujuonther0cks/Her classes are available at https://thestudioparis.com/https://www.instagram.com/thestudioparis/The Boston Ballet - https://www.bostonballet.org/home.aspxThe Joffrey Ballet in Chicago - https://joffrey.org/Pure Yoga New York - http://pureyoga.com/Keep the Faith by Michael Jackson - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIEiP7kzGjIFollow the Dream by Elvis Prestley - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD0xsv2BHFwLa Dame aux Camélias - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Dame_aux_Cam%C3%A9lias***If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, it helps people find us and also helps to secure future guests. Thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: Twitter: @annvi  IG: @_outoftheclouds This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.Visit our website Out of the Clouds : https://outoftheclouds.com/Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_outofthecloudsAnne on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/annvi/Anne on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/annvi.bsky.socialAnne on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anne-v-muhlethaler/Please subscribe and leave us a review ✨ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Feb 22, 2022 • 1h 28min

Cameron Silver on circular fashion, the theatre of retail and vulnerability

In this episode, Anne Muhlethaler, host of Out of the Clouds, interviews Cameron Silver. Known as ‘the impresario of vintage fashion’, Silver - who pursued acting in his teens - is a talented retailer, storyteller, and an all-round entertaining guest. In their interview, he tells Anne about how he landed working in retail while pursuing acting and singing roles, and how he started building a shop in his mother’s living room, after discovering a passion for thrifting while touring around the US. Later, he founded the now famous vintage couture boutique Decades Inc. in LA, where he started to dress celebrities and stylish clients for red carpet and other assorted events. Cameron’s passion for the history of fashion is linked to the fact that he believes that ‘fashion is a barometer for how we live, have lived and will live.’ Himself a daring dresser, he tells Anne about style, self-expression and how much he enjoys mentoring emerging designers and consulting for brands. The two end on discussing the difficult times Cameron went through when, in the middle of the pandemic, he found himself caring for his ailing father, Jack B Silver, who passed away later in 2020. Cameron shares with both great vulnerability and kindness and in the middle of that, manages to impart some wonderful wisdom. A beautiful, touching and very funny interview. Happy listening!***Selected links from the episodeYou can find Cameron via his website https://cameronsilver.com/ and on Twitter and on Instagram @cameronsilver You can find out more about his store is Decades Inc https://decadesinc.com/His book is Decades, A century of FashionWe talk about what is a Bimah https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/bimah/Fred Segal https://www.fredsegal.com/Ron Herman https://www.ronherman.com/Annie Hall, the movie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_HallElsa Klensch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsa_KlenschWeimar cabaret https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_cultureKurt Weill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_WeillFriedrich Hollaender - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_HollaenderTiffany Haddish wearing her white dress, again https://people.com/style/tiffany-haddish-rewears-alexander-mcqueen-dress-2021-beautiful-issue/Cameron interviewed for WWD - https://wwd.com/fashion-news/fashion-features/cameron-silver-fashion-talks-on-instagram-live-1203556749/Cameron interview with the LA Times - https://www.latimes.com/fashion/alltherage/la-ig-decades-20121121-story.htmlEnnio Capasa of Costume National - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ennio_CapasaNardi Venetian jewelers - https://www.nardi-venezia.com/Sage & Madison - https://sageandmadison.com/Diana Rilov - https://www.instagram.com/dianarilov/?hl=enThe Mysteries of Pittsburg  book - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16697.The_Mysteries_of_Pittsburgh***If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, it helps people find us and also helps to secure future guests. Thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: Twitter: @annvi  IG: @_outoftheclouds This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.Visit our website Out of the Clouds : https://outoftheclouds.com/Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_outofthecloudsAnne on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/annvi/Anne on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/annvi.bsky.socialAnne on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anne-v-muhlethaler/Please subscribe and leave us a review ✨ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Feb 15, 2022 • 1h 23min

Annie Lee on safe events during COVID, setting healthy boundaries and not planning for perfection

In this episode, host Anne Muhlethaler interviews her good friend, entrepreneur and event planner Annie Lee. Annie is known as “The Wedding Doctor” by Refinery29, “The Party Planner” by New York Magazine, a “celebrity entertaining expert” by People Magazine and Shape Magazine’s “Woman in Action – Entertaining Expert.” An event and wedding specialist for nearly 15 years, Annie has been an industry spokesperson for safety in events since early in the pandemic. She continues to run her own events company, Daughter of Design, while also developing a major project, Plannie. Dubbed ‘Uber for events’, with Plannie she hopes to open the possibility for customers to have access to top event planners (and help on the day of) at an hourly rate (breaking from industry norm), making professional event planning accessible, in some way similar to how Uber made the luxury of a chauffeur available to many around the world.As someone who has designed and produced many weddings, Annie also shares with Anne her mindful perspective on the importance of setting healthy boundaries with clients, knowing what not to worry about, and above all, letting go of the idea of a ‘perfect’ event. Wise, funny and insightful, Annie’s interview is a must-listen if you plan to throw a big event any time soon.Happy listening!***You can find Annie on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/daughterofdesign/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/daughterodesignPinterest https://www.pinterest.ch/DaughterofDesign/through her company website https://www.daughterofdesign.com/and her project Plannie https://www.plannie.com/on IG at https://www.instagram.com/askplannie/?hl=enMylar balloons a la Fiona Leahy https://aynhoepark.co.uk/musings/fiona-leahy-at-aynhoe-park/Annie's Gathering GuideThe Castello Aragonese in Ischia https://castelloaragoneseischia.com/Korean 'Booking' (Clubbing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booking_(clubbing)***If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, it helps people find us and also helps to secure future guests. Thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: Twitter: @annvi  IG: @_outoftheclouds  This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.Visit our website Out of the Clouds : https://outoftheclouds.com/Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_outofthecloudsAnne on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/annvi/Anne on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/annvi.bsky.socialAnne on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anne-v-muhlethaler/Please subscribe and leave us a review ✨ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Jan 11, 2022 • 1h 18min

Neil Bridgeman on naturopathy, nutrition to support mental health and yoga for anxiety

Neil Bridgeman is a marketing and branding expert turned naturopathic nutritionist. In this podcast episode, Neil talks to host Anne Muhlethaler about his personal journey from Australia to the UK where he landed in the then up and coming startup that was luxury online retailer Net-a-Porter.The two know each other from then, and exchange on the way Net-a-Porter, and Mr Porter, have been the pioneers in the world of e-commerce, in the projects, collaborations and experiences created for their clientele.  Neil also shares his career conversion journey, along with his personal difficulties with anxiety and burnout, which led him first to a course on yoga for anxiety, meditation, and then naturopathic medicine.In his new role, having opened his own private clinic, he tells Anne about the relationship between nutrition and depression, the importance of the therapeutic relationship, the crucial role of listening and the ways in which he hopes to educate his clients to support greater health and vitality for them. A very personal and enriching conversation. Happy listening! ***Selected Links from Episode : You can find Neil at : https://neilbridgeman.com/and on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/neilbridgeman/Net-a-porter https://www.net-a-porter.com/en-fr/Roland Mouret https://eu.rolandmouret.com/Natalie Massenet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_MassenetKelly Slater  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_SlaterOuterknown - https://www.outerknown.com/John Moore, Outerknown - https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-moore-60a86a3/Jeremy Langmead - https://www.businessoffashion.com/community/people/jeremy-langmeadToby Bateman - https://www.linkedin.com/in/toby-bateman-59956260/?originalSubdomain=ukMr Porter - https://www.mrporter.com/en-fr/Yoga for anxiety with Heather Mason - https://themindedinstitute.com/team/heather-mason/Eve Kalinik - https://evekalinik.com/The vagus nerve - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagus_nerveKia Miller kundalini yoga teacher - https://offerings.kiamiller.com/Kundalini yoga - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini_yogaYin yoga - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_YogaEpson Salts - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium_sulfateAnnie Carpenter - https://www.smartflowyoga.com/Anne's post about the bee and shifting perspective -Keris Marsden, Neil's favorite lecturer at the London College of Naturopathy - Fitter Food - https://fitterfood.com/about/Listen to Keris' interview with Anne -https://annevmuhlethaler.com/podcast/keris-marsden/Eckhart Tolle - https://eckharttolle.com/books/Dr. Mark Hyman - https://drhyman.com/Dr Hyman's podcast - https://drhyman.com/blog/category/podcasts/ *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, it helps people find us and also helps to secure future guests. Thank you  so much for listening! For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/  Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://annevmuhlethaler.com. Follow Anne: Twitter: @annvi  IG: @_outoftheclouds This episode is brought to you by Le TrenteAre you a purpose-driven individual seeking clarity in your personal narrative? Is your brand struggling to communicate authentically with your audience? Looking for a thought partnership that transforms how you connect with the world?Le Trente is a global community that emboldens purpose-driven individuals and organizations to communicate authentically. Headquartered in Geneva but serving clients worldwide, we coach both individuals and brands through their communication journey—from identity exploration to strategy development—all grounded in mindful leadership and compassionate, holistic communication.Our mission is to be a catalyst for positive change. We inspire open-minded people and organisations to build better worlds through community-building salons, strategic consulting, mindful coaching and storytelling.Ready to transform your approach to communication and create ripples of positive change? Get in touch, we like to make magic happen. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LE TRENTE HERE. *** If you enjoyed this episode, click subscribe for more, and consider writing a review of the show on Apple Podcasts, we really appreciate your support and feedback. And thank you so much for listening!For all notes and transcripts, please visit Out Of The Clouds on Simplecast - https://out-of-the-clouds.simplecast.com/Sign up for Anne's email newsletter for more from Out of the Clouds at https://outoftheclouds.com.Follow Anne and Out of the Clouds: IG: @_outoftheclouds or @annvi Or on Threads @annvi On Youtube @OutoftheCloudsFor more, you can read and subscribe to Anne's Substack, the Mettā View, her weekly dose of insights on coaching, brand development, the future of work, and storytelling, with a hint of mindfulness.Visit our website Out of the Clouds : https://outoftheclouds.com/Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_outofthecloudsAnne on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/annvi/Anne on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/annvi.bsky.socialAnne on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anne-v-muhlethaler/Please subscribe and leave us a review ✨ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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