Journey to an ESOP & Beyond
Jason Miller & Makenzie Wirth
ESOPs are gaining traction. In the "Journey to an ESOP & Beyond” podcast, Doeren Mayhew's Jason Miller and Makenzie Wirth explain the process of the ESOP transaction and address ESOPs from a business owner's perspective. They illuminate the simplicity of ESOPs and debunk common misconceptions that ESOPs are immensely costly and complicated.--“Doeren Mayhew" is the brand name under which Doeren Mayhew Assurance and Doeren Mayhew Advisors, LLC and its subsidiary entities provide professional services. Doeren Mayhew Assurance and Doeren Mayhew Advisors, LLC (and its subsidiary entities) practice as an alternative practice structure in accordance with the AICPA Code of Professional Conduct and applicable law, regulations and professional standards. Doeren Mayhew Assurance is a licensed independent CPA firm that provides attest services to its clients, and Doeren Mayhew Advisors, LLC and its subsidiary entities provide tax and business consulting services to their clients. Doeren Mayhew Advisors, LLC, DM Payroll Solutions, Doeren Mayhew Capital Advisors and their subsidiary entities are not licensed CPA firms.
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Mar 27, 2026 • 51min
EP13 - What Could Go Wrong?
This week, Jason and Makenzie cover what could go wrong in an ESOP transaction. From concerns about overpaying for shares to the burden of debt service, unrealistic projections, and the momentum that can build during negotiations, this episode unpacks the risks that can make an ESOP feel “off track” and what causes those outcomes. Jason and Makenzie explore the difference between a deal that is truly broken and one that simply needs course correction, offering an honest look at the warning signs, human dynamics, and importance of sustainable structure.
Mar 20, 2026 • 45min
EP12 - Step-by-Step Guide to an ESOP Transaction
In this episode, Jason and Makenzie walk listeners through the step-by-step process of an ESOP transaction, breaking down what can often feel like a complex and overwhelming journey into a clear, approachable roadmap. They cover common questions business owners often ask at the start of the process, including: How do I know if my company is a good fit for an ESOP? and who should be involved? From evaluating readiness to understanding the key players involved, Jason and Makenzie share practical insights on who to engage first, what steps to expect, and how to navigate the early stages of exploring employee ownership with confidence.
Mar 16, 2026 • 45min
EP11 - The Job That Gets Harder
In this episode, Jason and Makenzie explore what is often one of the most challenging roles in an ESOP transition: frontline management. Immediately after a transition to employee ownership, frontline managers often take on the greatest level of responsibility as they help employees navigate change while keeping the business moving forward. Jason and Makenzie unpack six key threads that can help frontline managers better support their teams and guide the company through a successful transition.
Mar 6, 2026 • 38min
EP10 - Foundations of Transition- Strategic Direction
In this episode of the Foundations of Transition Series, Jason and Makenzie focus on the theme of Strategic Direction, asking the critical question: What direction are we moving in, and how are we getting there? Each workshop-style conversation in this series is designed to help business owners think more intentionally about the future of their company and the role they play in shaping it. This episode challenges owners to step back and “look up” from the day-to-day demands of running a business to look ahead. Jason and Makenzie discuss why better questions lead to better strategy, and how defining what you hope to gain from the future of the company can lead to a plan that is both realistic and effective. Through practical insights, they explore how thoughtful strategic direction creates clarity, momentum, and a path forward for both the owner and the organization.
Feb 28, 2026 • 45min
EP9 - Interview with Steve Thornton and Eric Harris of Monte Sano Research Corporation
In this episode, Jason and Makenzie sit down with Steve Thornton and Eric Harris of Monte Sano Research Corporation (MSRC) to discuss the company’s evolution to employee ownership. They reflect on their company’s journey to an ESOP and how succession was intentionally embodied well before the formal transition, and the cultural foundations that made ESOP alignment a natural fit. The conversation also explores how employee ownership can bridge founders to successors, along with candid advice for leaders considering this path, including preparation, key decisions, and lessons learned along the way.
Feb 20, 2026 • 36min
EP8 - Creating Enterprise Value from any Seat
In this episode, Makenzie and Jason explore how anyone, regardless of title or department, can create enterprise value from their seat in the company. In an employee-owned environment, revenue generation isn’t limited to sales roles; it’s a mindset rooted in ownership. They break down how every function contributes to profitability and long-term value, and how both extroverts and introverts can leverage their unique strengths to drive impact. If you’ve ever wondered how your role ties to the bigger financial picture, this conversation will challenge you to think and act like an owner.
Feb 13, 2026 • 31min
EP7 - Understanding Equity Beyond Money
In this episode, Jason and Makenzie dive into everyone’s favorite word — equity — and examine what it really means beyond payouts and financial rewards. They explore how equity extends far beyond cash, defining it instead through fairness, ownership value, and property such as home equity. They also explore the responsibilities, risks, and long-term mindset that come with equity ownership, highlighting how equity represents control, alignment, and time horizon. Whether you are a business owner or simply curious about how equity works, this episode delivers a thoughtful perspective on what it truly means to have a stake in something — and why that stake matters.
Feb 5, 2026 • 59min
EP6 - Foundations of Transition- Courageous Leadership
In this episode, Jason and Makenzie continue “The Foundations of Transition” series by highlighting the courage it takes to transition a company and its leadership. Each workshop-style episode builds on the last, offering practical guidance to help business owners move forward with confidence. This second foundation explores what should be included in a thoughtful transition plan and how leaders can focus on long-term vision rather than falling into fear. Jason and Makenzie discuss how intentional planning, clear direction, and courageous decision-making can shape a successful future for both owners and their organizations.
Jan 30, 2026 • 21min
EP5 - The Class You Didn’t Know You were Taking: Navigating Business Transitions
In this episode, Jason Miller explores the unsettling feeling of being enrolled in a college class you never signed up for — and suddenly realizing you are expected to know the subject matter. The fear and overwhelm hit hard. For many business owners, that is exactly what business succession planning and ESOP transitions can feel like. He explains how that anxiety often stems from delayed awareness, not a lack of effort or responsibility.Jason reframes what “readiness” really means — not mastery or having all the answers, but awareness and orientation. By recognizing the “class” early and naming what truly matters, business owners can navigate succession planning, employee stock ownership plan (ESOP) transitions, and long-term exit planning with greater clarity, confidence, and control.
Jan 26, 2026 • 55min
EP4 - Interview with Pete Shuler of Blue Ridge Associates
What truly drives a successful ESOP transaction? In this episode, Jason Miller sits down with Pete Schuler, Senior Vice President and Head of Consulting at Blue Ridge, to share insights from more than 30 years of specialized ESOP advisory and consulting experience.A trusted advisor on ESOP transactions and compliance, Pete has worked with companies across every stage of the ESOP lifecycle. Together, he and Jason explore the key “R’s” of an ESOP transaction, highlighting critical considerations around plan design, compliance, and transaction readiness. Drawing on his experience advising business owners, collaborating with investment banks, and leading complex ESOP projects, Pete offers practical guidance for business owners and advisors navigating ESOP planning and execution.
