BE THAT LAWYER

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Saja Raoof discuss:Introversion in professional networkingBuilding a legal practice as an introvertManaging energy and making meaningful connectionsThe role of systems in business development Key Takeaways:Taking intentional breaks during networking events, such as stepping away for alone time, is a crucial strategy for introverts to manage their energy and remain engaged without feeling overwhelmed.Introverts can make networking conversations more comfortable and effective by asking open-ended questions, such as ‘How did you get into your career?,’ which encourages others to share while allowing them to listen rather than dominate the discussion.Careful preparation before networking events—such as identifying key people to meet, reaching out in advance, and setting clear goals like making three meaningful connections—helps introverts feel more in control and makes the experience less daunting.Although introverts may shy away from the spotlight, embracing opportunities to speak, give testimonials, or lead discussions allows them to establish credibility and expand their network without relying on small talk or forced social interactions. "I am so outspoken about being an introvert exactly to send a message to the people who are a little too close, or just, you know, it's okay to embrace and it's okay to talk about." —  Saja Raoof Be That Lawyer is now syndicated on Above the Law! Catch all our new episodes and my monthly column there—spread the word and help us grow: https://abovethelaw.com/ Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ Episode References: Quiet by Susan Cain: https://www.amazon.com/Quiet-Power-Introverts-World-Talking/dp/0307352153Networking for People Who Hate Networking by Devora Zack: https://www.amazon.com/Networking-People-Who-Hate-Underconnected/dp/1605095222 About Saja Raoof: Saja Raoof is a San Francisco-based business immigration attorney. Though an introvert, she owes much of her professional success to networking. Saja will share tips on how introverts can not only survive but thrive at networking, and how they can leverage their strengths to build meaningful business relationships. Connect with Saja Raoof:  Website: https://www.sar.law/Email: sar@sar.lawLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sajaraoof/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Jay McAllister discuss:The evolving role of AI in legal practiceLeveraging AI for business development and marketingEthical and risk considerations when using AI in lawThe future of legal technology and the rise of agentic AI Key Takeaways:Many law firms have shifted from traditional keyword-based legal research to AI-powered tools that analyze case law and provide curated, context-aware results, significantly reducing time spent on research.Insurance carriers and other clients are leveraging data analytics and AI to challenge the hours law firms bill, forcing firms to adopt more efficient AI-driven workflows.A Stanford AI ethics professor submitted a legal brief with fabricated citations generated by AI, leading the judge to reject it outright and issue a warning that lawyers must verify AI-generated content before submitting it to court.Future AI systems will not only respond to queries but proactively complete legal tasks by recognizing key case milestones, drafting motions automatically, and sending them for attorney review. "There were jobs that were lost, but ultimately, I don't think of it as a job that was lost. These jobs were transitioned to perform more useful, more useful activities." —  Jay McAllister Be That Lawyer is now syndicated on Above the Law! Catch all our new episodes and my monthly column there—spread the word and help us grow: https://abovethelaw.com/ Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ Episode References: The Game with Alex Hormozi: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-game-with-alex-hormozi/id1254720112$100M Offers by Alex Hormozi: https://www.amazon.com/100M-Offers-People-Stupid-Saying/dp/1737475731 About Jay McAllister: Jay McAllister is the CEO of Paragon Tech. Driven by an unquenchable thirst for applied learning and innovation, Jay helps lawyers get the most out of their technology. In other words, they go from low-tech and busy to high-tech and productive. Connect with Jay McAllister:  Website: http://paragontechit.com/Email: jay@paragontechit.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaymcallisterit/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. d

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Ken Hardison discuss:Growing a law firm that runs independently and becomes a sellable assetBuilding relationships and giving value firstUsing structured processes and key metrics to drive predictable growthMentorship, collaboration, and shared expertise Key Takeaways:A law firm can only be sold for real value if it operates independently, maintains a steady case pipeline, and tracks performance through key metrics, ensuring buyers see it as a sustainable business rather than a personal brand.Lawyers who struggle with referrals often fail to ask, lack the right approach, or don't invest time in relationship-building, but those who prioritize value, reciprocity, and consistent engagement create a steady flow of high-quality referrals.Most lawyers lose business due to poor follow-up, but staying top-of-mind with referral sources through personalized thank-yous, occasional gifts, and regular check-ins ensures they continue sending cases your way.True financial success in law comes not from chasing profits but from focusing on genuinely helping people, because when clients and colleagues trust that you care, they are far more likely to send you business. "You get what you want out of life by helping enough other people get what they want out of life.." —  Ken Hardison Be That Lawyer is now syndicated on Above the Law! Catch all our new episodes and my monthly column there—spread the word and help us grow: https://abovethelaw.com/ Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ Episode References: Mastering the Rockefeller Habits by Verne Harnish: https://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Rockefeller-Habits-22nd-Anniversary-dp-B0CXCDYCHN/dp/B0CXCDYCHN/ About Ken Hardison: Kenneth L. Hardison is a lawyer, author, and founder of PILMMA, the Personal Injury Lawyers Marketing & Management Association. Known as the "Millionaire Maker," Ken has grown and sold two multi-million-dollar law firms and now helps lawyers across the U.S. grow and scale their law firms to build the practice of their dreams. Connect with Ken Hardison:  Website: https://www.pilmma.org/Email: ken@pilmma.orgLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenhardison/Twitter: https://twitter.com/PILMMAFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/PILMMAInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/pilmma/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Chuck Andrews discuss:Challenges in making law firms and businesses scalable and saleableStrategic and mental preparation for business transitionsUnderstanding client needs as a driver for business growthOvercoming personal barriers to achieve professional success Key Takeaways:Many lawyers fail to create saleable practices because they don’t view their firms as scalable assets, instead focusing solely on leveraging personal skills.Emotional and psychological unpreparedness for life after selling a business often causes transitions to fail, making mental readiness as crucial as financial planning.Business owners can significantly improve scalability and growth by conducting client surveys to understand why customers choose their services.Identifying and managing personal saboteurs, such as the need to please or overachieve, is essential for breaking patterns that hinder both business and personal progress. "The biggest challenge an attorney has is recognizing that they can build their practice into a saleable practice." —  Chuck Andrews Be That Lawyer is now syndicated on Above the Law! Catch all our new episodes and my monthly column there—spread the word and help us grow: https://abovethelaw.com/ Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ Episode References: What Happened to You? by Oprah Winfrey and Bruce D. Perry: https://www.amazon.com/What-Happened-You-Understanding-Resilience/dp/1250223180Wisdom at Work by Chip Conley: https://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Work-Making-Modern-Elder/dp/0525572902Positive Intelligence by Shirzad Chamine: https://www.amazon.com/Positive-Intelligence-Individuals-Achieve-Potential/dp/1608322785The Fifth Discipline by Peter M. Senge: https://www.amazon.com/Fifth-Discipline-Practice-Learning-Organization/dp/0385517254 About Chuck Andrews: Chuck combines expertise in technology, M&A advisory, and executive coaching, integrating AI-driven solutions into his firm's services. Clients gain from tools like AI-based Value Drivers, a Positive Intelligence mental health app, and leadership development rooted in Vistage Peer Advisory Boards. Connect with Chuck Andrews:  Website: https://ceo15.us/Email: chuck@ceo15.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ceo15-cca/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chuckCEO15/ & https://www.facebook.com/CAndrewsCEO Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Sam Mollaei discuss:Strategies for scaling and automating a law firmEffective time management and focus for professionalsThe role of social media and marketing in client generationUtilizing AI and technology for efficiency in legal practice Key Takeaways:To manage time effectively, create a strict schedule using tools like Google Calendar and focus exclusively on high-value activities during concentrated work periods.Social media ads on platforms like Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok are significantly more effective than Google Ads for client acquisition in 2025 due to saturation in the latter.A six-point formula for scaling a law firm includes focusing on a single niche, targeting high-value clients ($3,500+), expanding geographically, ensuring healthy cash flow, adjusting fee structures, and prioritizing continuous self-development.AI integration, such as automating lead qualification, document collection, and drafting, has become essential for running scalable and efficient law firms. "You have to create your own rules; if not, other people will make rules for you." —  Sam MollaeiGot a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at steve@fretzin.com with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name! Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ Episode References: The 4-Hour Workweek by Timothy Ferriss: https://www.amazon.com/4-Hour-Workweek-Escape-Live-Anywhere/dp/0307465357 About Sam Mollaei: Sam Mollaei is a visionary legal disruptor, attorney, and Founder of My Legal Academy, where he helps lawyers scale and automate their law firms using cutting-edge marketing, automation, and AI tools.As the owner of 5 thriving law firms, Sam has helped over 1,260 lawyers grow their practices while reclaiming their time and improving their quality of life. Known for his innovative approach to disrupting the legal industry, Sam is passionate about helping lawyers work smarter, scale faster, and enjoy life. With a mission to empower legal professionals, Sam combines proven strategies with forward-thinking solutions to transform the way law is practiced. Connect with Sam Mollaei:  Website: https://mylegalacademy.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sammollaei/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sam.mollaei/Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Michael Cohen discuss:Strategies for building and maintaining a successful law practiceThe role of leadership and personal branding in legal careersOvercoming challenges and finding fulfillment in the legal professionThe importance of authenticity, advocacy, and adaptability in professional growth Key Takeaways:When hiring, be financially prepared, follow a "slow to hire, quick to fire" approach, and seek candidates whose goals align with long-term retention.Building a career aligned with passion may require sacrifices, such as taking non-traditional opportunities and traveling extensively to develop expertise and a brand.Law firms can foster equity by diversifying associates’ work assignments through structured work tracking systems to prevent pigeonholing.Writing about niche cases or personal interests in law not only builds expertise but also enhances your visibility and credibility as a thought leader. "Each and every one of us is dealing with stuff that nobody else knows about… if we can just understand that fundamental truth and be kind along the way, this whole thing gets an awful lot easier to deal with." —  Michael Cohen Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at steve@fretzin.com with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name! Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ Episode References: Let Them Lead: Unexpected Lessons in Leadership from America's Worst High School Hockey Team by John Bacon: https://www.amazon.com/Let-Them-Lead-Unexpected-Leadership/dp/0358533260 About Michael Cohen: Michael Cohen is a Partner in Duane Morris’ Employment, Labor, Immigration, and Benefits Practice Group, focusing on employment law training and counseling in Philadelphia, where he conducts over 200 trainings annually. Inspired by his mother, who fought and won a landmark Supreme Court case for working women after being fired for her pregnancy with Michael, he has a passion for education and challenges. Michael is also a devoted husband, father, travel softball coach, and avid supporter of Philadelphia and University of Michigan sports. Connect with Michael Cohen:  Website: http://www.duanemorris.com/attorneys/michaelscohenEmail: mcohen@duanemorris.comLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/michaelscohen12 Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Erika Steinberg discuss:The value of having a focused marketing plan for lawyers and firmsStrategies for retaining and growing client relationshipsBuilding a personal brand using LinkedInBenefits of fractional marketing for law firms Key Takeaways:A written marketing plan provides focus, direction, and measurable goals, allowing lawyers and firms to avoid chasing "shiny objects" and instead focus on impactful projects.Lawyers often neglect past and existing clients as a source of business due to discomfort, yet these relationships often present the easiest opportunities for growth.Marketing activities should align with an individual's comfort level and schedule—focusing on actions they will actually execute.Firms undergoing mergers or lateral hires risk losing opportunities if they do not clearly communicate how the changes benefit clients and integrate new team members effectively. "The marketing activities that are best are the ones that you’re going to do, the ones that fit your comfort level and your schedule." —  Erika Steinberg Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at steve@fretzin.com with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name! Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ Episode References: Differently Podcast by Carla Reeves: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/differently/id1546761001 About Erika Steinberg: Erika Steinberg, founder of CMO2Go, has been working with law firms to maximize their marketing for more than 30 years. CMO2Go provides senior-level fractional marketing support to midsize law firms around the United States, supporting firms as they tackle their urgent and important marketing needs. Connect with Erika Steinberg:  Website: https://www.cmo2go.co/Email: erika@cmo2go.coLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erikasteinberg/ & https://www.linkedin.com/company/cmo2go-inc Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Sarah Allen discuss:The importance of consistency and discipline in achieving business successLeveraging video marketing to build credibility and save timeUnderstanding and overcoming common barriers to adopting video marketingThe value of clarity and focus in business strategy and client engagement Key Takeaways:Starting with short videos that address frequently asked questions allows lawyers to engage clients effectively while also reducing the time spent repeatedly explaining the same concepts.Tailoring video content to a specific audience builds trust, credibility, and professional authority, making it more effective than chasing viral success or trying to appeal to a broad, unfocused audience.Creating high-quality videos does not require expensive equipment, as a simple setup with a smartphone, webcam, and external microphone can produce professional and engaging results.Videos that focus on providing solutions to client problems or answering their common questions not only save time but also help establish the creator as a knowledgeable and trustworthy expert in their field. "The biggest benefit of video for attorneys is you get your time back... it's literally duplicating yourself." —  Sarah Allen Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at steve@fretzin.com with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name! Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ Episode References: The No B.S. Small Business Book by Casey Graham: https://www.amazon.com/No-B-S-Small-Business-Book-ebook/dp/B09N9TZTW3 About Sarah Allen: Sarah Allen’s career bridges the worlds of big business and entrepreneurship, with leadership roles managing $100M+ divisions at Old Navy, Banana Republic, and eBay. Her time at eBay sparked a passion for empowering entrepreneurs, leading her to channel her corporate marketing expertise into helping small businesses succeed. Through her signature 5-step video marketing framework, Sarah has driven over $1M in revenue for her clients by helping them attract and convert new customers with ease. Connect with Sarah Allen:  Website: http://www.sarahallenconsulting.com/Email: sarah@sarahallenconsulting.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-ann-allen Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Tim Semelroth discuss:Scaling a law firm effectively while maintaining quality and cultureThe importance of consistent client engagement to foster trust and loyaltyLeveraging specialization to establish authority and attract niche casesUsing systems and processes to improve law firm management and branding Key Takeaways:Building and maintaining a professional network early in one's career avoids missed opportunities for referrals and growth.Specializing in a niche like truck accident cases and gaining certifications boosts credibility and competitive edge.Consistent outreach, like birthday cards, newsletters, and holiday greetings, keeps clients and referral sources engaged.Incentivizing handwritten thank-you notes fosters appreciation, strengthening relationships and driving loyalty and referrals. "The reality is that most people are getting fewer than five birthday cards now, and so if you can be one of those people, they're never going to forget you, no matter how big the billboard is that the 800-pound gorilla buys." —  Tim Semelroth Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at steve@fretzin.com with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name! Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ Episode References: The Checklist Manifesto by Atul Gawande: https://www.amazon.com/Checklist-Manifesto-How-Things-Right/dp/0312430000 About Tim Semelroth: Tim Semelroth, a personal injury attorney with 25+ years of experience, has helped hundreds of Iowans affected by injury or death due to negligence. He is Iowa's first board-certified trucking accident attorney by the NBTA and among the first 50 in the U.S. to earn this title. A former president of the Iowa chapter of the American Board of Trial Advocates and the Iowa Association for Justice, Tim also serves on the Iowa State Committee of the American College of Trial Lawyers. He is a faculty at the Trial Lawyers College and a Board of Regents member for the Academy of Truck Accident Attorneys. Connect with Tim Semelroth:  Website: https://fightingforfairness.com/Email: tsemelroth@fightingforfairness.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timsemelroth/ & https://www.linkedin.com/company/rsh-legal/Twitter: https://x.com/rshlegalFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/RSHLegalInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/rshlegal/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Justin Weinstein discuss:Importance of cultivating strong client relationships in the legal fieldEffective strategies for scaling and growing a law practiceCreating a positive and sustainable workplace cultureProactive client engagement and community involvement in legal services Key Takeaways:Assigning a designated client relationship manager ensures continued connection and personalized care for clients even years after a case is resolved.Proactively educating and engaging with the community helps individuals prepare for potential legal situations, rather than reacting to crises.Treating the workplace as a second home and focusing on employees’ personal and professional growth reduces turnover and fosters long-term commitment.Maintaining a strong cash flow and hiring with a focus on ROI, alongside leveraging relationships, are critical to doubling or expanding the size of a law firm. "Failures are learning opportunities, and really, there is no such thing as failure if you view it that way. You’re still here, still alive, and still able to make better and better decisions while improving. That’s what truly successful people do." —  Justin Weinstein Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at steve@fretzin.com with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name! Thank you to our Sponsors!Rankings.io: https://rankings.io/Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/ Episode References: Never Eat Alone by Keith Ferrazzi and Tahl Raz: https://www.amazon.com/Never-Eat-Alone-Expanded-Updated/dp/0385346654 About Justin Weinstein: Justin Weinstein, Founding Partner of the Weinstein Legal Team, earned his Juris Doctor from Nova Southeastern University, joined the Florida Bar in 2012, and since establishing his Fort Lauderdale practice in 2016, has expanded to West Palm Beach, Orlando, and Naples, representing medical professionals treating car accident victims while fostering connections across South Florida and the Treasure Coast, with a focus on personal injury litigation, community involvement, client relationships, and accessible advocacy. Connect with Justin Weinstein:  Website: https://www.thelawofwe.com/Email: justin@weinstein-legal.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinpweinstein/ & https://www.linkedin.com/company/weinsteinlegalteam/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jpweinstein & https://www.instagram.com/weinsteinlegalteam/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.