

Discerning Marriage
Theology of the Body Institute
Discerning Marriage is a weekly podcast hosted by Elizabeth Busby, MTS, MS, LMFT. Regardless of your state in life, you can begin preparing for marriage right now. Whether you are single, dating, seriously dating, engaged, on a break, or grieving a breakup, you can make use of this time for fruitful growth toward becoming a healthy and holy spouse. Intentional discernment of marriage starts today, even if you haven't given or received an engagement ring.
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Nov 12, 2021 • 34min
Episode 29: Jeanette Clark's Discernment Story
Jeanette Clark, classmate with Christopher West in her Master's of Theological Studies degree from the JPII Institute for Studies on Marriage and Family and wife of the Executive Director of the TOB Institute, got married in her late 20s after a cross country move and a breakup with her future husband. Join us as we discuss her full discernment story!
On The Discerning Marriage Podcast, we accompany you on the journey to discover if marriage is God’s will for you, and if you already know that you’re called to marriage, we want to help you bring glory to God in your vocation.
This podcast is hosted by the Theology of the Body Instiute. Learn more about the Institute here.
Shownotes
Jeanette's Humility episode here
Jeanette's episode on Ephesians 5 here
Born to a military family, Jeanette Clark lived most of her life in the Washington, DC area. She received her Master's in Theology from the Pontifical John Paul II Institute for Studies on Marriage and Family in 1997 and that same year moved to Denver, Colorado (which she actually considers her home town) where she was hired by the brand new Archbishop, Charles Chaput. She directed the Office of Christian Initiation for the Archdiocese for four years, giving frequent talks and retreats to the community. Jeanette married Jason Clark in 2001 at a little mountain Church in Evergreen, Colorado where their family adventure began. In June they celebrated 19 years as husband and wife. They have 5 children ages 8-17, 4 of whom are boys and they currently live in rural southern Pennsylvania surrounded by Amish neighbors. She is delving deeper and deeper into what it means to be a human being - a woman - who has encountered Christ and what that means on every level of existence. Deep ponderings at the kitchen sink.
A huge thank you to Catholic record label NOVUM Records and artist John Finch for our theme song "Send Down Your Spirit"!
Learn more about Discerning Marriage Ministries here.
Send a question to host Elizabeth Busby here.

Oct 29, 2021 • 35min
Episode 28: Beauty and Your Wedding Day with Spoken Bride's Stephanie Calis
All brides and grooms want their wedding day to be special and beautiful, but did you know that this can actually be a way to glorify God with your relationship?? Join me as I talk with Stephanie Calis {of Spoken Bride Ministry!} about how to press deeply into your desire for a beautiful wedding day and how that can be a powerful witness to your guests! We also talk about her wedding planning book, which is a wonderful tool for you and your significant other to use when the time comes and a wonderful gift for people whom you love who are getting married soon!
On The Discerning Marriage Podcast, we accompany you on the journey to discover if marriage is God’s will for you, and if you already know that you’re called to marriage, we want to help you bring glory to God in your vocation.
This podcast is hosted by the Theology of the Body Instiute. Learn more about the Institute here.
Shownotes
Get Stephanie's book Invited: The Ultimate Catholic Wedding Planner here
Check out the TOB Institute's YouTube Channel (and my new YouTube videos about dating and discerning marriage!) here
Stephanie is the author of the book Invited: The Ultimate Catholic Wedding Planner, a #1 Amazon bestseller in Weddings, and a blogger since 2012. A former full-time speaker, she seeks to engage the culture with the truth of authentic, sacrificial love by meeting people where they are and meeting them in matters of the heart. She has been featured on EWTN’s At Home with Jim and Joy and in Family Foundations Magazine, Brides.com, Blessed Is She, and The YoungCatholicWoman. Stephanie married her husband in 2011 on a 105 degree day, and they live in Maryland with their four children.
Learn more about Stephanie's Ministry Spoken Bride here.
Find Spoken Bride on Instagram: @spokenbride
A huge thank you to Catholic record label NOVUM Records and artist John Finch for our theme song "Send Down Your Spirit"!
Learn more about Discerning Marriage Ministries here.
Send a question to host Elizabeth Busby here.

Oct 22, 2021 • 26min
Episode 27: Original Solitude with Bill Donaghy
The ache of longing to be in your vocation can be agonizing. Amazingly, Pope St. John Paul II pressed into this theme in his discussions on what he calls original solitude. Renown Theology of the Body expert Bill Donaghy joins me as we discuss what original solitude is and why it matters to you!
On The Discerning Marriage Podcast, we accompany you on the journey to discover if marriage is God’s will for you, and if you already know that you’re called to marriage, we want to help you bring glory to God in your vocation.
This podcast is hosted by the Theology of the Body Instiute. Learn more about the Institute here.
Having worked in mission, evangelization, and education since the early 1990s, Bill joined faculty of the TOB Institute in 2010 and became a full-time member of the team as content specialist in 2013. With a background in visual arts, philosophy, and systematic theology, he has given talks and retreats to bishops, priests, deacons, religious, and the lay faithful throughout the country and internationally. Bill is the co-author with Chris Stefanick of the popular program RISE: 30 Day Challenge for Men and is a proud husband and father of four.
A huge thank you to Catholic record label NOVUM Records and artist John Finch for our theme song "Send Down Your Spirit"!
Learn more about Discerning Marriage Ministries here.
Send a question to host Elizabeth Busby here.

Apr 7, 2021 • 30min
Episode 26: The Courage to be Married with Damon and Melanie Owens
Getting married and staying married takes an incredible amount of courage, particularly in this day and age that is so hostile to such a union. Elizabeth is joined by renowned TOB experts Damon and Melanie Owens to talk about what it takes to live a courageous marriage and what you can do now, as you’re discerning marriage, to set yourself up for success.
On The Discerning Marriage Podcast, we accompany you on the journey to discover if marriage is God’s will for you, and if you already know that you’re called to marriage, we want to help you bring glory to God in your vocation.
This podcast is hosted by the Theology of the Body Instiute. Learn more about the Institute here.
Shownotes
[Damon and Melanie’s ministry Joyful Ever After](www.joyfuleverafter.org)
Married 28 years, Damon and Melanie Owens are founders of Joyful Ever After (www.joyfuleverafter.org) and hosts of The Catholic Marriage Summit 2020 (www.CatholicMarriageSummit.com). Since 1993, Melanie, full-time homeschooling mother of eight, and Damon, first executive director of the Theology of the Body Institute, have trained over 20,000 couples in marriage, NFP, and Theology of the Body. Melanie earned her BA in Sociology at the University of California at Santa Barbara, and her MSW at the University of California at Berkeley.
Presenters at the 2015 World Meeting of Families and the 2017 USCCB Convocation of Catholic Leaders, Damon and Melanie keep a full international speaking schedule at conferences, seminars, universities, high schools, seminaries, and parishes on the good news of marriage, sexuality, Theology of the Body, Theology of the Family, adoption, and NFP.
Damon has published numerous articles, appears regularly on many radio and television programs (EWTN, Catholic Answers, Ave Maria, Relevant Radio, Immaculate Heart Radio, ABC World News Tonight, CBS News, NPR), and has hosted and produced three 13-part television series for EWTN. He is also an accomplished gospel singer honored with a solo during the 1995 NJ Papal Mass at Giants Stadium presided by Pope St. John Paul II.
In 2018, Pope Francis honored Damon with the papal Benemerenti Medal in recognition for his service to the Church in support of marriage and family. Damon and Melanie currently live outside Philadelphia with their eight children.
catholicmarriagesummit.com
Instagram:
Https://www.instagram.com/damon.c.owens
Https://www.instagram.com/melanie.m.owens
FB:
damoncowens and damonowensofficial
A huge thank you to Catholic record label NOVUM Records and artist John Finch for our theme song "Send Down Your Spirit"!
Learn more about Discerning Marriage Ministries here.
Send a question to host Elizabeth Busby here.

Mar 17, 2021 • 30min
Episode 25: Breakups Part 2 w/ Liv Harrison
Liv Harrison and I continue our conversation from Episode 19 right where we left off. We discuss an approach to breakups that can be helpful to process and heal from the loss of the relationship.
On The Discerning Marriage Podcast, we accompany you on the journey to discover if marriage is God’s will for you, and if you already know that you’re called to marriage, we want to help you bring glory to God in your vocation.
This podcast is hosted by the Theology of the Body Instiute. Learn more about the Institute here.
Shownotes
Ep 19: Breakups Part 1 with Liv Harrison
Liv Harrison is known for being a professional speaker and emcee with a gift for humor, storytelling, and wisdom. People are her passion. She connects with everyone from junior high students to seasoned adults. Liv was the 2018 Host/Emcee to hundreds of Catholic youth at the Austin music festival, Godstock. Her work in marriage ministry keeps her connected with couples around Texas. Not only has Liv spoken all over Texas, but she has also spoken across the nation. She is presently serving the Junior League of The Woodlands as an active leader who often speaks to the 500 members. In May 2019 Liv successfully wrote, launched, and emceed the Genius Catholic Women’s Conference (geniuswomensconference.com) outside of Austin, TX. In December, of 2019 the Talitha Koum Initiative, LLC was formed to produce the Genius Catholic Women’s Conference. In March 2020 the unique Genius Catholic Women’s Conference launched in Dallas. Liv serves as President on the Executive Board of The Genius Collective; a non-profit that is in its final stages of development. Liv is currently a co-host on the Forte Catholic Podcast and the Discerning Marriage Podcast. On June 1, 2020 Liv launched her own interview/storytelling podcast titled Talk to Me with Liv Harrison: The Stories Behind Their Success. Lastly, she has been a frequent voice on Sirius XM and various other podcast programs both as a guest and as a co-host. She is married to her high school sweetheart and the mother of two.
https://www.thelivharrison.com
Instagram: @thelivharrison
Email: liv@thelivharrison.com
A huge thank you to Catholic record label NOVUM Records and artist John Finch for our theme song "Send Down Your Spirit"!
Learn more about Discerning Marriage Ministries here.
Send a question to host Elizabeth Busby here.

Mar 3, 2021 • 28min
Episode 24: Dr. Greg Bottaro’s Discernment Story
Dr. Greg Bottaro shares his incredible story of discerning out of formation for the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal and into a marriage with his bride! And the turning point of his discernment that happened while watching The Truman Show. Yes, for real! This story is awesome! I can’t wait for you to hear it!!
On The Discerning Marriage Podcast, we accompany you on the journey to discover if marriage is God’s will for you, and if you already know that you’re called to marriage, we want to help you bring glory to God in your vocation.
This podcast is hosted by the Theology of the Body Instiute. Learn more about the Institute here.
Shownotes
Dr. Greg’s book: The Mindful Catholic
Ep 7: Mindfulness and Therapy with Dr. Greg Bottaro
Dr. Bottaro is a clinical psychologist and founder of the CatholicPsych Institute. He received his Doctorate in Clinical Psychology from the Institute for the Psychological Sciences, a graduate school in Arlington, VA that integrates Catholic philosophy and theology with sound, empirically validated psychology.
Before his degree, Dr. Bottaro discerned a religious vocation with the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal (CFRs). He lived four years in the Bronx, serving the poor in the tradition of St. Francis of Assisi. He learned how to discern God's voice and live a life in service to others.
Six years after leaving NYC as a friar he returned as a psychologist. The CatholicPsych Institute began there in 2012 and has since grown to 5 offices with 12 therapists serving clients around the globe.
Website: https://www.catholicpsych.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/catholicpsych/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/CatholicPsychInstitute
A huge thank you to Catholic record label NOVUM Records and artist John Finch for our theme song "Send Down Your Spirit"!
Learn more about Discerning Marriage Ministries here.
Send a question to host Elizabeth Busby here.

Feb 17, 2021 • 17min
Episode 23: Online Dating with Kateri Bean from Catholic Match
One of the topics that I often get emails and IG messages about is online dating. This method of meeting people is increasingly utilized as a way to connect with people outside of your immediate community, and thousands of people have met their spouse online (including one of our closest couple friends!!). I wanted to have a podcast episode to be able to direct interested people to, so I’ve invited Content Manager of Catholic Match Kateri Bean to discuss some helpful tips and tricks of how to build the foundation for a successful relationship with someone that you’ve met online.
On The Discerning Marriage Podcast, we accompany you on the journey to discover if marriage is God’s will for you, and if you already know that you’re called to marriage, we want to help you bring glory to God in your vocation.
This podcast is hosted by the Theology of the Body Instiute. Learn more about the Institute here.
Shownotes
Catholic Match Website where anyone can create a free CatholicMatch profile
Podcast Episode about Breakups!
Kateri Bean is a newly married cradle Catholic living in the beautiful state of New Hampshire. As the Content Manager of CatholicMatch, she has a special interest in supporting single Catholics as they navigate their journey to the Sacrament of Marriage.
Instagram (the best place to learn more about them!): @catholicmatch
A huge thank you to Catholic record label NOVUM Records and artist John Finch for our theme song "Send Down Your Spirit"!
Learn more about Discerning Marriage Ministries here.
Send a question to host Elizabeth Busby here.

Feb 3, 2021 • 20min
Episode 22: Married at 33 with Christina Jaloway
Sometimes people will have a supernatural prayer experience where God gives them the assurance of who their spouse is going to be: “I just knew it was her!” Often, though, God works through a person’s reason and free will and allows them to choose whom they want to marry. This episode’s discernment story is an example of the latter. Christina Jaloway spent her 20s longing for her spouse and didn’t get married until she was 33, but man oh man did the Lord do big beautiful things during her wait!
On The Discerning Marriage Podcast, we accompany you on the journey to discover if marriage is God’s will for you, and if you already know that you’re called to marriage, we want to help you bring glory to God in your vocation.
This podcast is hosted by the Theology of the Body Instiute. Learn more about the Institute here.
Shownotes
Dear Single Reader: God is Not Going to Force You Into The Convent or Seminary
Ep 14: Thriving While Single with Christina Jaloway
Christina Dehan Jaloway is a wife, mother of two, and considers herself Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI’s biggest fan. Before getting married in 2016, she taught high school theology (her dream job) for nine years, and was a blogger and speaker at Catholic events. She lives with her husband Kristian and two boys in beautiful Austin, TX.
https://www.theevangelista.com/
Instagram: @christinajalowa
A huge thank you to Catholic record label NOVUM Records and artist John Finch for our theme song "Send Down Your Spirit"!
Learn more about Discerning Marriage Ministries here.
Send a question to host Elizabeth Busby here.

Jan 20, 2021 • 29min
Episode 21: The Feminine Genius w/ Liv Harrison
For starters, this episode is for both men and women! 🙂 Back in the 1990s, St John Paul II wrote a Letter To Women, breaking open the beauty of femininity and completely busting the myth that women are less than men. On this episode, I’m joined by Liv Harrison to discuss a critical topic that St JPII discussed in that letter: the feminine genius. Both men and women need to understand the dignity and worth of the feminine heart in order to discern marriage well, and we hope this episode helps bring some clarity and springboards good discussions about femininity in this broken world.
On The Discerning Marriage Podcast, we accompany you on the journey to discover if marriage is God’s will for you, and if you already know that you’re called to marriage, we want to help you bring glory to God in your vocation.
This podcast is hosted by the Theology of the Body Instiute. Learn more about the Institute here.
Shownotes
St. John Paul II’s Letter to Women
The Genius Collective on Instagram
Liv Harrison is known for being a professional speaker and emcee with a gift for humor, storytelling, and wisdom. People are her passion. She connects with everyone from junior high students to seasoned adults. Liv was the 2018 Host/Emcee to hundreds of Catholic youth at the Austin music festival, Godstock. Her work in marriage ministry keeps her connected with couples around Texas. Not only has Liv spoken all over Texas, but she has also spoken across the nation. She is presently serving the Junior League of The Woodlands as an active leader who often speaks to the 500 members. In May 2019 Liv successfully wrote, launched, and emceed the Genius Catholic Women’s Conference outside of Austin, TX. In December, of 2019 the Talitha Koum Initiative, LLC was formed to produce the Genius Catholic Women’s Conference. In March 2020 the unique Genius Catholic Women’s Conference launched in Dallas. Liv serves as President on the Executive Board of The Genius Collective; a non-profit that is in its final stages of development. Liv is currently a co-host on the Forte Catholic Podcast and the Discerning Marriage Podcast. On June 1, 2020 Liv launched her own interview/storytelling podcast titled Talk to Me with Liv Harrison: The Stories Behind Their Success. Lastly, she has been a frequent voice on Sirius XM and various other podcast programs both as a guest and as a co-host. She is married to her high school sweetheart and the mother of two.
https://www.thelivharrison.com
Instagram: @thelivharrison
Email: liv@thelivharrison.com
A huge thank you to Catholic record label NOVUM Records and artist John Finch for our theme song "Send Down Your Spirit"!
Learn more about Discerning Marriage Ministries here.
Send a question to host Elizabeth Busby here.

Dec 16, 2020 • 27min
Episode 20: Listener Q&A
Join me for this season 1 finale episode where I answer listener questions about the timing of transitioning to engagement, breakups, what to do when there is pornography in your relationship, and questions to ask each other in the pre-engagement phase!
On The Discerning Marriage Podcast, we accompany you on the journey to discover if marriage is God’s will for you, and if you already know that you’re called to marriage, we want to help you bring glory to God in your vocation.
This podcast is hosted by the Theology of the Body Instiute. Learn more about the Institute here.
Shownotes
Ep 4: Phases of Discernment
Ep 19: Breakups
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A huge thank you to Catholic record label NOVUM Records and artist John Finch for our theme song "Send Down Your Spirit"!
Learn more about Discerning Marriage Ministries here.
Send a question to host Elizabeth Busby here.


