

Odd Lots
Bloomberg
Bloomberg's Joe Weisenthal and Tracy Alloway explore the most interesting topics in finance, markets and economics. Join the conversation every Monday and Thursday.
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Dec 12, 2025 • 50min
D.A. Wallach Explains Why Biotech VC Is So Different
D.A. Wallach, co-founder of Time BioVentures and former lead singer of Chester French, shares his unique journey from music to biotech investing. He discusses the complexities of biotech, comparing it to a 'bag of options' with long timelines. Wallach emphasizes the importance of experienced founders and the challenges of clinical trials as major bottlenecks. He also tackles the impact of AI on drug discovery, the rise of China's biotech sector, and the nuances of patient autonomy, all while hinting at how music and biotech intersect.

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Dec 11, 2025 • 46min
This Is What It Takes to Get a Data Center Financed
Travis Wofford, a partner at Baker Botts and an expert in data centers, walks listeners through the complex world of financing these hybrid assets. He reveals the challenges of securing funding amid rising political sensitivity and community concerns. Wofford explores how tech firms prefer third-party financing to maximize capital for higher-return projects and discusses the evolving importance of location and power interconnection. He also highlights the risks lenders face and the innovations, like GPU futures, that are reshaping the financing landscape.

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Dec 8, 2025 • 58min
Dan Ivascyn Is Excited About a New Era in Fixed Income
Dan Ivascyn, Chief Investment Officer at PIMCO, dives into the evolving landscape of fixed income. He highlights why bond valuations may outperform equities in the next 5-10 years despite past struggles. With Federal Reserve independence at risk, he discusses how AI-driven investments could reaccelerate growth. Dan also shares insights on private credit's evolution and warns about the pitfalls of relying solely on credit ratings. Plus, he views mortgages as attractive investments while noting ongoing housing challenges.

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Dec 7, 2025 • 18min
How Microsoft Excel Conquered Corporate America
Max Chafkin, a Businessweek writer with a knack for corporate tech culture, and Dina Bass, a Bloomberg reporter specializing in Microsoft and AI, dive into the fascinating world of Excel. They discuss its rise from VisiCalc to a corporate staple and its role in everyday office life. The duo explores Excel's competitive edge against rivals like Google Sheets and the promise of AI tools, highlighting its unique ability to fulfill essential human needs in business. Excel’s reign may face challenges, but its legacy is firmly entrenched in corporate America.

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Dec 5, 2025 • 53min
Affirm's Max Levchin Breaks Down How Buy Now, Pay Later Really Works
Max Levchin, co-founder and CEO of Affirm, dives into the world of Buy Now, Pay Later (BNPL) solutions. He shares the motivation behind starting Affirm, focusing on transparency and zero fees. Levchin explains how Affirm uses innovative underwriting techniques that go beyond traditional credit scores. He also discusses how Affirm differentiates itself with higher approval rates and loyalty. With insights on AI and the future of payments, he offers a clear vision of an ideal financial system that's more aligned with consumer needs.

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Dec 4, 2025 • 44min
AI Can Tell Us Something About Credit Market Weakness
Dan Wertman, co-founder and CEO of Noetica, shares insights on current credit market weaknesses using AI to analyze deal documents. He discusses emerging trends in credit agreements, warning of potential blowups amid tightening lender protections. Wertman explains the importance of EBITDA addbacks and how creditors are preparing for distress, revealing the complexities of recent high-leverage financing deals. The conversation also highlights risks associated with rapid dealmaking versus due diligence, particularly in the evolving AI landscape.

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Dec 1, 2025 • 57min
Travis Kavulla Explains Why Electric Bills Shot Up
Travis Kavulla, vice president of regulatory affairs at NRG and a former commissioner in Montana, dives into the complexities of the rising electricity costs. He explains how the pandemic has reshaped demand, particularly from data centers, and discusses the challenges the grid faces with increased loads. Travis also distinguishes between commodity and grid charges, shares insights on the patchwork of U.S. regulations, and highlights potential solutions like demand-side flexibility. He emphasizes the necessity for innovative regulatory approaches to prepare for future demands.

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Nov 28, 2025 • 45min
This Is Why Credit Card Interest Rates Are So High
In this conversation with Itamar Drexler, a finance professor at the Wharton School, listeners dive into the surprising world of high credit card interest rates. Drexler explains how banks profit through swipe fees and marketing costs, revealing the stark differences between transactors and revolvers. He debunks the myth that default rates justify these high APRs and discusses the impact of rewards on consumer behavior. The discussion also touches upon the challenges faced by fintech and the implications of macroeconomic factors on credit card pricing.

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Nov 27, 2025 • 49min
Graham Allison on the Risks of a US-China War
Graham Allison, a Harvard Government Professor and expert on U.S.-China relations, discusses the 'Thucydides Trap,' a framework illustrating the risks of conflict between established and rising powers. He highlights historical parallels to the Peloponnesian War and World War I, explaining why great-power war has been avoided until now. Allison contrasts China's ambitions with the Soviet Union and examines how economic entanglement impacts stability. He identifies Taiwan and risky third-party incidents as potential flashpoints for conflict.

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Nov 24, 2025 • 58min
Ray Dalio on the Five Forces That Make This a Historical Moment
Ray Dalio, founder of Bridgewater Associates and a seasoned macro investor, discusses the monumental changes currently reshaping the world. He outlines five forces driving historical dynamics, including wealth inequality, the AI boom, and national debt. Dalio shares insights on how technology compares to past transformations and the importance of meditation in maintaining equanimity through market fluctuations. He critiques traditional hedge fund models and emphasizes the need for cohesive leadership in navigating these complex changes.


