

Odd Lots
Bloomberg
Bloomberg's Joe Weisenthal and Tracy Alloway explore the most interesting topics in finance, markets and economics. Join the conversation every Monday and Thursday.
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Aug 8, 2025 • 1h 13min
Mary Daly on Why Alaska Is a Leading Indicator for the US Economy
Mary Daly, President and CEO of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, shares her insights on Alaska as a leading economic indicator for the U.S. She discusses the unique challenges of Alaska's economy, how local conditions influence inflation expectations, and the role of AI in enhancing productivity. Daly also reflects on the disconnect between personal and national economic sentiments and delves into the impact of tariffs on inflation. Her big-picture views on structural trends and adaptive decision-making highlight the complexities facing today's economic landscape.

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Aug 7, 2025 • 44min
Joseph Torigian on Xi Zhongxun and Elite Chinese Communist Party Politics
Joseph Torigian, a research fellow at Stanford and author of a biography on Xi Zhongxun, sheds light on the opaque politics of the Chinese Communist Party. He discusses the historical influences of Mao and Deng, revealing the intricacies of factionalism and the legacy of the Cultural Revolution. The conversation highlights how Xi Zhongxun’s struggles inform contemporary governance under his son, Xi Jinping. Torigian also draws surprising connections between literature and political dynamics, offering unique insights into the CCP's inner workings.

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Aug 4, 2025 • 24min
Bill Beach on How Trump Just Politicized US Economic Data
Bill Beach, former commissioner of labor statistics, discusses the recent dramatic firing of the BLS head by Donald Trump after a disappointing jobs report. He delves into the integrity of labor data and how political actions can erode public trust. The conversation uncovers the challenges faced by the BLS in maintaining data accuracy amid budget cuts and leadership changes. Beach emphasizes the need for modernization in data collection and reflects on the long-term impact of politicizing economic indicators.

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Aug 4, 2025 • 52min
The AI Industry Is Becoming Like Professional Sports
John Coogan and Jordi Hayes, co-hosts of TBPN, dive into the booming AI industry, likening it to professional sports. They discuss why engineers are now receiving staggering pay packages, exploring the dynamics of talent acquisition and the concept of 'exploding offers.' The conversation shifts to the competitive landscape, highlighting innovative advancements in AI while addressing issues like energy constraints in AI model development. They also reflect on the emotional turmoil within the industry during turbulent acquisitions, revealing the stakes of retaining top talent.

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Aug 2, 2025 • 49min
How to Make Money Selling Pizza in New York City
James Shields and the Zinopoulos brothers, Alex and Evan, are the culinary minds behind Zeno's Pizza, a new hotspot in NYC. They dive into the competitive pizza scene, revealing how they stand out amid the city's multitude of pizzerias. From location scouting to ingredient costs, they discuss the entrepreneurial spirit required to thrive. They also address the challenges of rising operational costs and the logistics of reliable pizza delivery, all while sharing anecdotes about navigating the city's unique restaurant landscape.

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Aug 1, 2025 • 47min
What an LA Bakery Says About the Economy Right Now
Andy Kadin, owner of Bub & Grandma's—a beloved LA bakery, sandwich shop, and soon-to-open pizzeria—shares his insights on the intersection of baking and economics. He discusses the challenges of adapting to rising costs and consumer demands while managing labor and logistics. The conversation reveals the impact of tariffs on food pricing and the complex balance of maintaining quality amid market fluctuations. Kadin's journey from advertising to bakery owner underscores the personal passion behind the business, highlighting resilience in a shifting economy.

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Jul 31, 2025 • 49min
Circle's CEO on the Booming Business of Stablecoins
Jeremy Allaire, co-founder and CEO of Circle, dives into the booming world of stablecoins, specifically USDC. He discusses how stablecoins are bridging the gap between cryptocurrency and traditional finance, reshaping payments and commerce. Allaire addresses the business models driving profitability and the impact of regulations like the GENIUS Act. He also explores the future of stablecoins in decentralized finance, emphasizing the need for transparency and safety in this evolving landscape.

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Jul 28, 2025 • 49min
This Is How Chinese Manufacturers Are Countering Trump's Trade War
Cameron Johnson, a partner at Tidalwave Solutions based in Shanghai, shares insights on the ongoing U.S.-China trade war. He discusses how Chinese manufacturers are adapting to tariffs while deepening ties with other nations. Cameron highlights China's manufacturing dominance and its rapid advancements in AI, showcasing the country's lead in practical tech applications. The conversation also considers shifts in production from China to Vietnam and the challenges posed by labor dynamics and U.S. tariffs on global supply chains.

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Jul 26, 2025 • 60min
How a Trade War With China Could Become a Hot War
Dale Copeland, a Professor of International Relations at the University of Virginia and author of 'A World Safe for Commerce,' delves into the escalating trade tensions between the U.S. and China. He highlights how historical trade conflicts have led to military confrontations, with current dynamics mirroring past events like Japan's invasion of Manchuria. The discussion covers the implications of rare earth metals and technological rivalry, emphasizing the need for strategic decision-making to avoid a hot war.

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Jul 25, 2025 • 42min
What 300 Years of Firewood Prices Say About the Economy
Nicholas Muller, a Carnegie Mellon economist and author of the paper on firewood in America's economy, joins to delve into the overlooked significance of firewood pricing. He discusses how firewood served as a dominant energy source from the 1700s until industrialization. The conversation reveals how 19th-century railroads boosted demand and how historical pricing trends relate to today’s economic indicators. Muller also highlights modern shifts back to wood as a renewable energy source, emphasizing its relevance in contemporary economic discussions.


