

Odd Lots
Bloomberg
Bloomberg's Joe Weisenthal and Tracy Alloway explore the most interesting topics in finance, markets and economics. Join the conversation every Monday and Thursday.
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Oct 10, 2025 • 47min
John Ganz on the Era When America Was Consumed by Panic With Corporate Japan
John Ganz, an insightful author and historian, dives into the fascinating panic of the 1980s over Japan's economic rise, which permeated pop culture through films and literature. He explores how fears of Japanese dominance were rooted in military and economic concerns, and compares them with today’s anxiety over China. Ganz explains how the Japan panic faded after the economic bubble burst, influencing political narratives and populism, while reflecting on the lasting impact of these cultural and economic shifts.

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Oct 9, 2025 • 43min
Why the Price of Money Surged in the Last Six Years
Tom Orlik, Chief Economist at Bloomberg Economics, and Jamie Rush, Director of Global Economics, dive deep into the intricacies of the natural rate of interest. They discuss how factors like deglobalization and fiscal policies have driven the cost of borrowing higher since 2019. The duo explains the significance of R-star and its impact on investment and saving behaviors. Moreover, they explore the influence of AI on interest rates and asset prices, alongside geopolitical shifts affecting foreign demand for Treasuries. Their insights shed light on the evolving economic landscape.

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Oct 6, 2025 • 39min
James van Geelen on the Next Phase of the AI Buildout
James Van Geelen, founder of Citrini Research, dives deep into the evolving landscape of AI infrastructure. He shares insights from his recent visit to OpenAI's massive Stargate data center in Abilene, Texas, detailing how companies like Oracle, NVIDIA, and Saudi investors are fueling its growth. Discussions also cover the complex financing structures supporting these mega projects, energy needs, and potential risks of an AI bubble. Plus, he explores emerging trends in robotics and storage that are poised to reshape the market!

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Oct 3, 2025 • 28min
Lots More with Joe Abate on the Fed's New Target and the Rising Price of Money
Joe Abate, head of macro strategy at SMBC Nikko and former bank analyst, dives into the Fed's evolving policies. He discusses the shift from a scarce-reserve to an abundant-reserve framework, highlighting its impact on the Fed funds market. Abate explores Lorie Logan's proposal for a new target rate, potentially moving toward tri-party repo. He also addresses the rising costs of liquidity, the implications of a large Fed balance sheet, and how stablecoins could influence short-term markets. Tune in for fresh insights on the changing landscape of finance!

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Oct 2, 2025 • 58min
Terry Duffy on the CME's Big Push into Retail Trading
Terry Duffy, Chairman and CEO of CME Group, dives into the exchange's shift to attract retail traders, highlighting a new partnership with FanDuel. He discusses cutting-edge technologies that level the playing field and the mechanics of shorter event contracts. Duffy emphasizes the importance of regulation and education for retail participants, while voicing concerns over political prediction markets. He also examines the competitive landscape, implications of a government shutdown on markets, and the blending of retail and institutional trading strategies.

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Oct 1, 2025 • 45min
Tarek Mansour on Kalshi's Plan to Create Markets in Everything
Tarek Mansour, co-founder and CEO of Kalshi, dives into the booming world of prediction markets, discussing the crucial regulatory changes that have spurred growth. He shares insights on Kalshi's strategy to navigate legal challenges, particularly lessons learned from the Intrade case. Tarek highlights how sports markets drive liquidity and how Kalshi differentiates itself from traditional sportsbooks. He also explores potential future markets and the importance of market makers in creating transparent pricing, envisioning a platform where users could trade almost everything.

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Sep 29, 2025 • 34min
The King of Chicago Trading Wants to Build a GPU Market Bigger Than Oil
Don Wilson, the founder and CEO of DRW, shares his insights on the burgeoning GPU market, which he predicts could surpass the oil industry due to rising AI demands. He discusses the vision for a standardized market, the intricacies of compute auctions, and the potential for tokenizing financial assets. Don reflects on his trading career, emphasizes the need for robust indices, and anticipates that most financial instruments will be tokenized within five years, reshaping the future of trading.

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Sep 28, 2025 • 2min
Introducing IVF Disrupted: The Kindbody Story
Dive into the world of Kindbody, a fertility company that merges spa-like vibes with high-tech efficiency. Explore its rise to a billion-dollar unicorn and the glamorous facade it presents. However, behind the polished image lie disillusioned patients grappling with the harsh realities of rapid disruption in fertility care. Host Jackie Davalos reveals the risks of a move-fast mentality when creating life, inviting listeners to reflect on the true cost of innovation in such a personal journey.

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Sep 26, 2025 • 45min
Jack Morris on Finding the Next Big AI Breakthrough
Jack Morris, an AI researcher and Ph.D. candidate at Cornell, delves into the unpredictable nature of AI breakthroughs. He discusses the intricate balance between open and closed research labs, revealing how proprietary data can set teams apart. Jack also explores the complexities of measuring model performance with benchmarks and the distinction between supervised and reinforcement learning. With thoughts on the future of personalization and the challenges of monetizing curiosity-driven research, he offers a fresh perspective on the evolving AI landscape.

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Sep 25, 2025 • 40min
Ozan Tarman on What's Driving The Nonstop Rise in Gold and Tech
Ozan Tarman, Vice Chair of Global Macro at Deutsche Bank, discusses the fascinating dynamics behind the rising popularity of gold and U.S. tech stocks. He highlights growing skepticism towards U.S. sovereignty driving gold's rise and the tech sector's fixation, particularly on companies like NVIDIA. Ozan also shares insights on the implications of de-dollarization and fiscal dominance, while analyzing the potential of an AI-driven bubble. Furthermore, he emphasizes how daily conversations with various investors shape his understanding of market trends.


