

Thoughtforms Life
Michael Levin
A podcast by Professor Michael Levin exploring the frontiers of biology, cognition, and emergence. Engage in conversations about morphogenesis, bioelectricity, and synthetic life — and uncover how intelligence and agency emerge from the most fundamental levels of nature.
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Aug 26, 2024 • 1h 5min
Discussion with Richard Watson and Josh Bongard
This is a ~1 hour discussion with Richard Watson (https://www.richardawatson.com/) and Josh Bongard (https://www.uvm.edu/cems/cs/profiles/josh_bongard) touching on topics of agency, polycomputing, oscillations, and evolution.
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Aug 16, 2024 • 57min
Conversation between Josh Bongard, Tom Froese, and I on Irruption Theory, Polycomputing, and Minds
This is a ~1 hour conversation between Josh Bongard (https://www.uvm.edu/cems/cs/profiles/josh_bongard), Tom Froese (https://www.oist.jp/research/tom-froese), and I on Irruption theory, polycomputing, and the mind-body relationship. Some relevant links from the discussion:
Tom's paper on irruption theory: https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/26/4/288
Josh and I on polycomputaton: https://www.mdpi.com/2313-7673/8/1/110
Eduardo's paper on multiple embodiment: https://scholar.google.com/citations?view...
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Aug 13, 2024 • 52min
Conversation Between Josh Bongard, Atoosa Parsa, Richard Watson, and I
This is a ~50 minute conversation between Josh Bongard (https://www.uvm.edu/cems/cs/profiles/josh_bongard), Atoosa Parsa (https://www.atoosaparsa.com/), Richard Watson (https://www.richardawatson.com/), and I on topics of agency, computation, polycomputing, oscillations, selfhood, and similar subjects.
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Aug 8, 2024 • 58min
Discussion With Tim Jackson, Karl Friston, and Chris Fields
In a fascinating discussion, Tim Jackson, an evolutionary biologist, Karl Friston, a theoretical neuroscientist, and Chris Fields, a researcher in cognition, dive deep into the free energy principle. They explore how this principle applies to self-organization and evolutionary processes. Key topics include the role of generative models in understanding systems, the origins and significance of attractors, and the impact of noise on novelty in evolution. Each guest provides unique insights, grounding their ideas in physics while navigating philosophical implications.

Aug 7, 2024 • 30min
An Active Inference Model of Collective Intelligence by R. Kaufman, P. Gupta, and J. Taylor
Join Rafael Kaufmann, a mathematician at Google focusing on collective intelligence, and Pranav Gupta, a business researcher studying human-machine teams, as they explore fascinating concepts in active inference. They discuss how agent interactions influence collective behavior and the role of goal alignment in team success. Rafael shares insights on modeling dynamics between strong and weak agents, while Pranav highlights the importance of collective memory and attention. They even touch on how motivation can elevate performance in both human and AI collaborations.

Aug 3, 2024 • 28min
The Mind of the Body: A Window into Embodiment and Our Future
"Metaphysics and the Matter with Things: Thinking with Iain McGilchrist was a collaborative conference put on by the Center for Process Studies (CPS) and the California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS) in March of 2024. This three-day conference brought leading process thinkers across various disciplines, including physics, neuroscience, psychology, philosophy, and theology into critical dialogue with McGilchrist’s work in a collegial effort to assess, question, extend, and apply it. For mor...
CHAPTERS:(00:03) Embodied Minds & Intelligence(02:00) Diverse Intelligences Framework(03:50) Origin of Agential Material(05:30) Collective Cellular Intelligence(07:36) Self Boundaries & Individuation(08:55) Bioelectricity & Body Asymmetry(10:40) Collective Problem Solving(12:00) Adapting to Changing Parts(13:30) Bioelectrical Network Minds(15:00) Reading Collective Mind(16:00) Hacking Bioelectric Memory(18:00) Rewriting Planarian Memory(20:00) Cancer as Self Failure(21:00) Somatic Psychiatry Approach(22:00) Plasticity Beyond Development(23:00) Xenobots & Anthropods(26:00) Exploring Capability Space(27:00) Conclusion & Resources
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Aug 2, 2024 • 54min
Discussion with Daniel McShea and Gunnar Babcock
Gunnar Babcock, artist-researcher exploring biology, cognition, and emergent systems, and Daniel McShea, evolutionary biologist and philosopher of biology, debate big ideas. They probe identity and immortal cell lines. They examine bioelectric fields, memory beyond synapses, small tissue transplants altering hosts, and how behavior generalizes as problem solving across scales.

Jul 29, 2024 • 53min
Prices as Cognitive Glue by Benjamin Lyons
This is a ~25 minute talk and another ~25 minutes of discussion between Benjamin Lyons (https://benjaminflyons.com/) and myself, about his work to understand the commonalities between economics and collective intelligence in biology. Some links mentioned in the discussion:
https://interestingessays.substack.com/p/prices-as-memories
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4878765
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.02688/abstract
https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/24/...
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Jul 28, 2024 • 55min
Discussion with Stuart Kauffman and Katherine Peil Kauffman
This is a ~1 hour-long discussion meeting with Stuart Kauffman and Katherine Peil Kauffman, covering evolution, machines, metaphors in science, etc.
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Jul 23, 2024 • 50min
Discussion with Ricard Sole
This is a ~45 minute discussion with Ricard Sole (http://complex.upf.edu/ricard-sol%C3%A9), a synthetic biologist whose work spans evolution, language, and many other fascinating areas.
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