Industry Relations
Rob Hahn and Greg Robertson
This is Industry Relations, a podcast that is at the intersection of real estate and technology from an insider's perspective. Hosted weekly by Rob Hahn (The Notorious ROB) and Greg Robertson.
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Aug 27, 2025 • 54min
Back to the future with Sub Agency?
Rob and Greg explore Andrea's new role at Real Estate News, aiming for enhanced investigative journalism. They dive into Anne Marie’s push for MLS independence amid rising realtor commissions, sparking debates on ownership structures. A lawsuit against NAR challenges the enforcement of buyer representation agreements, highlighting weak compliance. Rob argues for a return to sub-agency to tackle steering issues and simplify compensation, while questioning the historical reasons for its abandonment. Overall, the discussion paves the way for potential regulatory changes in the real estate landscape.
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Aug 21, 2025 • 55min
An Open Letter to Opendoor
Rob and Greg dive into the fallout from Carrie Wheeler's resignation at Opendoor. They analyze the impact of activist investors and the future of iBuying amidst shifting buyer expectations. The duo examines how Opendoor and Zillow have operated more like flippers than true market makers. Strategic advice for new leadership includes selling homes ‘as is,’ enhancing agent relations, and creating a coming-soon marketplace for discounted listings. They also discuss innovative financing options to streamline transactions and ensure long-term viability.
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Aug 13, 2025 • 57min
AI Octagon
Coleton Boyer, an innovator at OnTuesday.com, dives into the fascinating intersection of AI and real estate. He discusses how AI can revolutionize lead generation and client interactions but raises ethical questions about authenticity. The conversation tackles whether these tools empower new agents or simply benefit the established ones. They also explore the potential shift in business models from traditional practices to more dynamic pricing structures. Throughout, the importance of maintaining the human touch in client relationships remains a central theme.
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Aug 6, 2025 • 1h 1min
OK Boomer.
Key topics include the surprising resilience of the real estate market despite challenges and the debate over AI's role in client interactions. Insights from Inman Connect San Diego reveal industry gossip, shifting executive roles, and a significant lawsuit between CoStar and Zillow. The hosts discuss the importance of personal engagement over awards, emphasizing that authenticity matters more than accolades. While some see promise in AI for marketing, skepticism remains about its effectiveness in enhancing the client experience.
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Jul 31, 2025 • 54min
Plans, within plans, within plans
A dive into Zillow's surprising legal claim suggests it only handles a tiny fraction of real estate transactions, raising questions about its industry dominance. The discussion unfolds around the implications for competitors like Compass and Homes.com, and how this shift could impact agent sales strategies. Anticipation builds for the upcoming Inman Connect in San Diego, as the hosts reflect on economic challenges and industry sentiment. They explore the interplay of media perceptions and real estate market dynamics, offering insights on navigating competitive landscapes.
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Jul 23, 2025 • 1h
Lawsuits, Listings & Listings Fees
Legal battles heat up as the lawsuit from Homie against NAR and big brokerages gets dismissed. A new referral fee disclosure policy by NWMLS sparks debate on consumer transparency. Realtor.com’s acquisition of Zenlist raises questions about the startup landscape in real estate. Homes.com launches a marketing campaign aimed at sellers, drawing mixed industry reactions. Throughout the discussion, the hosts ponder portal strategies and the shifting tides in the real estate landscape, hinting at future trends that could reshape the market.
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Jul 16, 2025 • 59min
Vibe Buying
Dig into the debate about who should access real estate listing data, sparked by a Wired article on college students using Zillow to gauge wealth. One host argues for privacy, suggesting sensitive details should be restricted, while the other defends open data access. The conversation explores VOW rules, consumer legitimacy, and the clash between marketing and research data. Plus, enjoy stories of a memorable golf trip, blending personal anecdotes with serious discussions on modern transparency in the real estate landscape.
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Jul 2, 2025 • 59min
Monopoly Schmonopoly
The hosts explore the lawsuit filed by Compass against Zillow, questioning the legality and impact of Zillow's practices. They delve into the implications of behind-the-scenes meetings, dissecting the alleged statements from Zillow executives about controlling listings. The conversation also touches on Redfin's potential involvement and examines the competitive dynamics in real estate, where pressures and rivalries shape market behavior. Finally, the hosts debate the definition of monopoly power in this evolving industry landscape.
Jun 25, 2025 • 55min
Tori Amos?
Dive into a lively discussion about the transformative power of music across decades! The hosts explore iconic artists like Nirvana and Depeche Mode, debating their cultural impact. They reflect on the evolution of hip-hop from Run DMC to modern giants like Kendrick Lamar. Nostalgia reigns as they reminisce about 80s and 90s bands and their influence on youth identity. The conversation also celebrates powerful female voices in music and the ongoing evolution of genres like jazz and reggae, all wrapped in humor and personal stories.
Jun 18, 2025 • 59min
The thing about incentives
Hosts delve into the evolving world of real estate, highlighting how policy shifts impact broker incentives and the role of MLS. They discuss the consolidation of larger brokerages and its effects on smaller firms, plus the everyday challenges agents face amid industry drama. A segment on career paths for young adults emphasizes the importance of skilled trades in today’s job market, advocating for their potential to deliver financial stability and passion-driven success. Listeners will also enjoy reflections on a recent panel and engaging parenthood milestones.


