Money School Podcast

For a long time, truly personalized investment advice has been something only the ultra-wealthy could access. If you have tens of millions of dollars, you can hire advisors who don't just sell you products. They build strategies around your entire financial life. But everyone else gets standardized portfolios and is told to keep contributing to their retirement accounts and stay the course. That's starting to change. A new approach to financial advice is emerging, one built around a fee-for-service strategy instead of product sales. Instead of paying someone based on how much money they manage or what investments they sell you, investors can now pay directly for expertise, planning, and financial architecture. That means for the first time, the level of thinking that was mostly reserved for high-net-worth investors is now available to everyday investors who want a more strategic approach to building wealth. In this episode, investment advisor and fractional CEO, COO, and CRO Stefan Astheimer joins me to talk about how this model works, why the traditional advisory system is evolving, and how investors who understand this shift may gain a serious edge. Things You'll Learn In This Episode Most financial advice was never designed to be personal For decades, financial advisors were paid based on products sold or assets managed. But if your advisor's incentives shape the advice you get, how personalized can that advice really be? The edge for everyday investors Could separating advice from product sales finally give ordinary investors access to the kind of guidance the wealthy get? Paying off debt or building wealth first Many people assume eliminating debt should always come before investing. But when interest rates, tax advantages, and opportunity costs come into play, how do you decide which move actually builds wealth faster? AI makes great financial advisors more valuable, not less Many people assume AI will replace advisors. But what if technology actually increases the demand for high-level strategic guidance? Disclaimer This content is for educational purposes only and is not investment advice. No specific recommendations are being made. Please consult a qualified financial professional before making any investment decisions. This webinar is for educational and informational purposes only. Any discussion of strategies reflects general concepts and examples based on the speakers' own experience and perspectives, not personalized investment advice. Forward-looking statements, illustrations, or examples are not guarantees of future results. All investments involve risk, and results may vary. Viewers should consult their own qualified advisor before making any financial decisions. Investing involves risk, including the potential loss of principal. Past performance is no guarantee of future results. Additional information about PMC Wealth, LLC is available in its Form ADV, which is available upon request or by visiting www.adviserinfo.sec.gov. The 'Inverse Cramer' ETF referenced in this discussion previously existed but has since been closed. This mention is for illustrative purposes only and is not a recommendation. Guest Bio Stefan Astheimer is a fractional CEO, COO, and CRO who works with founder-led and regulated businesses to turn growth into something more structured, scalable, and commercially effective. He specializes in revenue expansion, operating strategy, and transaction readiness, helping companies strengthen performance while building long-term enterprise value. Stefan studied applied mathematics at Yale and has deep experience across wealth management, advisory, insurance, and other financial services environments where complexity is high and execution matters. To learn more, visit https://pmcwealthadvisors.com/ About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom. Resources Private Money Guide: https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/book-podcast Wealth Wednesday Webinar: https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar-podcast Mapping out the Millionaire Mystery: https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/newbook-podcast

Starting a business is often framed as a simple equation: have a good idea, take it to the bank, and secure the funding. But the reality is very different. Most business owners aren't rejected because their idea is bad. They're rejected because they approached the capital the wrong way. So many deals fail before they ever reach underwriting, and it's not because of the opportunity. It's preparation, structure, and understanding how lenders evaluate risk. Banks aren't investors looking for the next big idea. They operate under strict guidelines, regulatory frameworks, and underwriting criteria that determine whether a deal can even move forward. And most entrepreneurs walk into the process without understanding those rules. In this episode of Money School Elite, I sit down with Sebastien Boyer, known as "The Approved Guy," to break down what actually happens inside the lending process when someone applies for a business loan. In this conversation, we unpack several key realities that experienced operators understand, but many first-time entrepreneurs miss. We discuss why banks care more about the borrower's financial stability than the business idea itself. We also talk about how to get a deal to survive the approval process. About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom. Resources Private Money Guide: https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/book-podcast Wealth Wednesday Webinar: https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar-podcast Mapping out the Millionaire Mystery: https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/newbook-podcast

Every athlete knows the music will eventually stop. Whether you walk away on your terms, are forced out by injury, or have a contract that doesn't get renewed, your career will inevitably end. In leagues like the NFL, NBA, or MLB, that ending can still leave you financially set. You might walk away with generational money. In action sports, that's rarely the case. A pro snowboarder can start earning real money in their teens. They can travel the world, land major sponsors, build a name, and live what looks like a dream career. But very few retire with enough money to last a lifetime. The earning window is short, the contracts are volatile, and the industry replaces you faster than you expect. What should athletes be doing during their earning years to avoid starting over financially at 30? Stevie Bell's snowboarding career is nothing short of meteoric. Starting from riding the bus two hours a day to Brighton as a laser-focused teenager, then landing a breakout video part just two years into riding, he went from unknown kid to signing a life-changing contract with one of the most iconic brands in snowboarding. From managing fear on handrails that could end a career, to navigating brand politics when Forum was shut down, to walking away from the sport and rebuilding his identity after the checks stopped coming. His story is a masterclass in how quickly momentum can build and how quickly it can disappear. Stevie shares his career arc with me. We talk about how quickly money can scale, how quickly it can disappear, why most riders walk away with nothing, and how financial literacy becomes a competitive advantage when the career clock is ticking. Things You'll Learn In This Episode The moment every career ends, and why most people aren't ready- Whether it's injury, burnout, or a contract that isn't renewed, the music eventually stops. How do you prepare financially and psychologically for an ending you can't control? Fear as a strategic advantage- Top riders don't eliminate fear; they manage it. What does calculated risk look like when the downside is career-ending, and how does that translate to business and investing? The evolution of the industry- With airbags, Olympic pipelines, social media, and corporate sponsors, snowboarding has gone mainstream. Does more visibility actually mean more sustainable opportunity? Win or build: the new income model- If salary-based sponsorship is shrinking, and only a few athletes win consistently, how should modern athletes think about brand, leverage, and long-term income beyond competition? Guest Bio Stevie Bell is a former professional snowboarder and industry veteran with over 25 years of experience in action sports. He built a 14-year professional career after breaking onto the scene with a breakout video part just two years into snowboarding, eventually signing with Forum, one of the most iconic brands in the sport's history. During his tenure with Forum, Stevie traveled internationally filming video projects, participating in global tours, and contributing to one of the most influential eras in snowboard media. His career spanned major brand partnerships, long-term sponsorship contracts, and firsthand exposure to the evolving economics of action sports, from athlete compensation structures to the impact of corporate acquisitions and industry consolidation. After stepping away from professional competition, Stevie transitioned into entrepreneurship and content creation. He is currently the host of the Forum Chronicles podcast, where he documents the 20-year history of Forum and interviews key figures who shaped the brand and broader snowboard culture. To learn more or find out about the podcast, follow @steviebell801. About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom. Resources Private Money Guide: https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/book-podcast Wealth Wednesday Webinar: https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar-podcast Mapping out the Millionaire Mystery: https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/newbook-podcast

In today's market, AI valuations are expanding faster than fundamentals can justify. Companies with minimal free cash flow are being priced as if dominance is already secured. Capital continues to circulate between venture portfolios, strategic partners, and ecosystem incumbents, reinforcing growth narratives that assume liquidity remains abundant. But markets don't reward narratives forever. When growth slows or capital tightens, the question shifts from projected upside to structural durability. Does the business generate real cash? Does it control proprietary data that compounds value? Is it positioned to be acquired or forced to sell? This is where discipline separates operators from spectators. Daniel Nikic has spent years operating inside early-stage capital markets, studying transaction patterns, portfolio structures, and acquisition behavior. From that vantage point, valuation is less about headlines and more about capital flows, strategic adjacency, and who holds liquidity when cycles turn. In this episode, we look beneath the surface of today's AI enthusiasm to examine what actually drives valuation, how smart founders reverse-engineer an exit, and why companies entering a slowdown with balance sheet strength don't just survive, they consolidate. About the Guest Daniel Nikic is an investment research professional and entrepreneur dedicated to delivering tailored insights and strategic solutions. With over two decades of experience, Daniel has built a career dedicated to empowering investors and businesses with actionable insights. Born and raised in Canada, He earned a Bachelor's Degree in Business Administration from Brock University, where his passion for market dynamics and financial analysis began to take shape. ​As the founder of Cohres, a boutique investment research firm, Daniel specializes in helping high-net-worth individuals, venture capitalists, and startups navigate complex markets and emerging industries such as AI, SaaS, and data. His career journey includes impactful roles at HB Reavis, where he managed €500M real estate projects, Zursh, where he led AI-focused initiatives, and Azafran Capital Partners, where he developed investment strategies and managed data teams. ​Through his dedication to innovation, Daniel combines a global perspective with a hands-on approach, helping clients uncover growth opportunities and achieve their goals. His leadership has positioned Cohres as a trusted name in investment research and strategic planning. To learn more, visit https://www.danielnikic.com/. About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom. Resources Get Your FREE Copy Of 'The Private Money Guide' and 'Mapping Out The Millionaire Mystery'. Keep up with us every week on our FREE Live webinars for more conversations like this, and as a BONUS, get our newest mini-ebook instantly upon signing up! https://moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar (digital download). Dive into money, mindset, and motivation videos on my YouTube Channel, and be sure to subscribe so you can be notified of our weekly LIVE streams. Find out about our next weekend workshop, and see what others are saying: https://www.moneyschooltraining.com/registration.

Ted Ryce, performance coach and health expert who trains CEOs and celebrities, explains why wealthy people upgrade everything but often not their health approach. He highlights advanced metabolic testing, the importance of VO2 max, risks of weight-loss drugs that cost muscle, and why mastering sleep, movement, and basics beats trendy biohacks.

When you're struggling in business or just starting out, the last thing you think you need is a coach. You think you can't afford it, you're not ready, or you should wait until you have better results first. But every time someone feels like that, that's actually when they need a coach the most. Most people see coaching as something you do later. Once things are going well, the money is there, and you've "made it" enough to deserve help. But that's not really how it works. Coaching isn't there to reward you for being successful. It's there to stop you from wasting years trying to get there on your own. Because the real cost isn't paying for a coach. The real cost is everything you lose while you're trying to figure it out by yourself. In fact, coaching isn't even a cost. When you have the right coach, it starts paying off quickly, and it becomes one of the best investments you'll ever make in yourself. How do you know when it's the right time to get help instead of waiting it out? How did my guest build a top-performing career as a blind sales professional in one of the toughest industries there is? What can we learn from his success story? In this episode, entrepreneur, speaker, coach, and bestselling author of If I Can Do It, You Can Do It, Patrick Engasser, joins me to talk about mindset, opportunity, and why getting the right guidance early changes everything. You'll learn why the people who grow fastest aren't the smartest, they're just the ones who stop trying to do it alone. Things You'll Learn In This Episode "I can't afford a coach" is usually backwards Is it really about money, or about how much time, stress, and lost momentum it's costing you to figure everything out the slow way? The hidden mindset shift that unlocks performance What changes when you stop seeing your weaknesses as liabilities and start using them as your most powerful differentiators? How people actually "create" luck Are some people actually luckier, or are they just better trained to notice and act on the chances everyone else ignores? Success becomes addictive once you start helping others Why does coaching, leadership, and mentorship often feel more rewarding than personal wins, and how does that change the way you build your business? Guest Bio Patrick Engasser is an entrepreneur, speaker, coach, and bestselling author of If I Can Do It, You Can Do It. He started his career in the insurance industry as a top sales representative for a Fortune 500 company. He was awarded top-account closer in his third year and promoted to district manager. Patrick went on to recruit, train, and lead a seven-figure sales team while coaching several agents to successful careers in the outside sales world. He has been the recipient of the company's Top Award for Management Excellence three times for his outstanding leadership and ability to coach others to achieve their goals. Patrick has been helping aspiring entrepreneurs build their own businesses for over 15 years. To learn more and to buy his book, visit patrickengasser.com. To book a free strategy session, go to talkwithpatrick.com. About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom. Resources Get Your FREE Copy Of 'The Private Money Guide' and 'Mapping Out The Millionaire Mystery'. Keep up with us every week on our FREE Live webinars for more conversations like this, and as a BONUS, get our newest mini-ebook instantly upon signing up! https://moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar (digital download). Dive into money, mindset, and motivation videos on my YouTube Channel, and be sure to subscribe so you can be notified of our weekly LIVE streams. Find out about our next weekend workshop, and see what others are saying: https://www.moneyschooltraining.com/registration.

Most people think financial freedom comes from earning more, saving harder, or finding the perfect investment. But the real trap isn't income…it's the way we're taught to store and move money. We're told to separate everything into neat little buckets: checking, savings, mortgage, credit cards, investments. And somehow, even when we're "doing well," the system still feels tight, slow, and exhausting. The traditional system is wildly inefficient by design. A 3–4% mortgage isn't really 3–4% at all. It's closer to 12–15% in simple interest once you account for amortization. Savings accounts paying 1–3% sit right next to debt costing 8–25%, and no one ever teaches us to connect those two dots. We're working hard, being disciplined, and still leaking money through invisible cracks. Instead of playing by those rules, Joseph Kovacevic built a completely different operating system: one pot, one line, one flow. All income goes into a first lien HELOC, and all expenses come out of it. No idle cash, no artificial separation between "good money" and "bad money." How did he go from using money like everyone else to building an entirely different financial system? Why do people struggle so much to understand and actually implement this system? In this episode, entrepreneur, money mentor, and first lien HELOC specialist Joseph Kovacevic breaks down how he's been running this system for over 15 years - from quitting the railroad, to scaling real estate, to using HELOCs and insurance policies as an integrated financial engine. Things You'll Learn In This Episode Your mortgage interest isn't what you think it is A "low" 3–5% mortgage is actually closer to 12–15% in simple interest over 30 years, so what are you really paying for homeownership? Why savings accounts make you poorer, not safer If you're earning 1–3% in savings while paying 8–25% on debt, are you actually saving, or quietly burning money? The one-pot system that replaces budgeting entirely What happens when all income, expenses, investing, and saving run through a single HELOC instead of 10 separate accounts? How to become the bank instead of borrowing from one From infinite banking to lending your own capital at 12%+, how do you turn cash flow into a self-funding wealth machine? Guest Bio Joseph Kovacevic is an entrepreneur, Money Mentor, and first lien HELOC specialist. At 23 years old, he hired out on the railroad for a career that lasted almost 20 years. He has been investing in real estate since 2000. Between managing rental properties and flipping houses, he was able to escape the corporate world and become an entrepreneur. In 2018, he met Chris Naugle at a Home show in Buffalo, NY, and was later introduced to Brent Kesler, who introduced him to IBC. After years of using the Infinite Banking Concept, he now wants to share IBC with everyone. Being a part of The Money School and The Money Multiplier team, he now helps others break away from conformity and pursue their dreams. He is passionate about educating others about the implementation of the Infinite Banking Concept to solve people's money problems. To learn more, visit https://themoneymultiplier.com/joseph-kovacevic. About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom. Get Your FREE Copy Of 'The Private Money Guide' and 'Mapping Out The Millionaire Mystery'. Keep up with us every week on our FREE Live webinars for more conversations like this, and as a BONUS, get our newest mini-ebook instantly upon signing up! https://moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar (digital download). Dive into money, mindset, and motivation videos on my YouTube Channel, and be sure to subscribe so you can be notified of our weekly LIVE streams. Find out about our next weekend workshop, and see what others are saying: https://www.moneyschooltraining.com/registration.

Most high-income earners assume their tax situation is handled once they hire a CPA and start filing. The return gets done, nothing breaks, and it's easy to believe that if something mattered, it would already be happening. But that assumption quietly costs people money. Not because they're reckless or aggressive, but because compliance gets mistaken for strategy, and basic leverage never gets activated. Zach Newberry works with business owners and real estate investors who earn well, and still find themselves on the wrong side of the tax game. What he sees over and over isn't missed loopholes or exotic strategies. It's small, obvious decisions that never get made: spending a few thousand dollars to unlock meaningful capital, revisiting structures that no longer fit, and using rules that already apply but are never deployed. His perspective reframes taxes as a capital allocation problem, not a paperwork exercise. Instead of focusing on what gets filed, he looks at what gets converted, dollars that would disappear versus dollars that stay in play for the next investment. In this episode, we talk about why small, inconvenient costs often unlock real leverage, where high earners miss money long before "strategy" even starts, and how rules like the Augusta Rule fit into real life when you understand how to use them. About the Guest Zachary Newberry is a CPA, tax planner, and entrepreneur who works primarily with business owners and real estate investors. His practice focuses on helping clients move beyond basic tax compliance and use the tax code intentionally — connecting entity structure, real estate, income timing, and planning decisions in a way that supports long-term wealth building. He works with real estate investors, real estate-centric businesses, small to mid-sized companies, and high-income individuals. In addition to tax preparation, Zach provides ongoing tax planning and advisory services, accounting and bookkeeping oversight, and strategic consulting for clients who want their tax decisions to function as part of their broader financial and investment strategy — not just something that gets filed once a year. Email Address - zach@newberrycpa.com Instagram - @newberrycpa Facebook Business Page - https://www.facebook.com/zachnewberrycpa Booking Link - https://go.oncehub.com/ZachNewberry About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor with a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom. Resources Get Your FREE Copy Of 'The Private Money Guide' and 'Mapping Out The Millionaire Mystery'. Keep up with us every week on our FREE Live webinars for more conversations like this, and as a BONUS, get our newest mini-ebook instantly upon signing up! https://moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar (digital download). Dive into money, mindset, and motivation videos on my YouTube Channel, and be sure to subscribe so you can be notified of our weekly LIVE streams. Find out about our next weekend workshop, and see what others are saying: https://www.moneyschooltraining.com/registration.

Most investors never question the structure they're investing in. They accept tight assumptions, back-end-heavy returns, and illiquidity as the price of access, assuming the payout will arrive before anything goes wrong. But when timing slips, liquidity tightens, or markets shift, those assumptions become traps. The deal didn't fail because the idea was bad. It failed because it never paid the investor enough to wait. Irwin Boris has spent decades operating on the other side of that equation. After more than $5 billion in deal flow, he learned to treat any model that needs to be "screwed down" to make the return work as a warning sign, not an opportunity. His approach prioritizes downside discipline, visible cash flow, and structures that don't depend on exits arriving on schedule. Instead of betting on appreciation or future liquidity events, he focuses on assets that pay along the way and remain viable even when conditions change. In this episode, we talk about understanding where risk actually lives, why backend-dependent strategies quietly corner investors, and how disciplined capital positions itself in assets that don't require perfect timing to survive. About the Guest Irwin Boris is a speaker and SVP of Acquisitions and Investor Relations at Heritage Capital Group. In the past, he has been the Head of Real Estate for several Family Offices (foreign & US), making investment decisions. He has more than 30 years of experience in real estate finance, investment, and asset management. He has participated as a direct lender, principal, investment banker, and advisor in more than $5 billion in real estate transactions. To learn more, visit https://heritagegroupcapital.com/ or send an email to irwin@heritagecapitalgroup.net. About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom. Get Your FREE Copy Of 'The Private Money Guide' and 'Mapping Out The Millionaire Mystery'. Keep up with us every week on our FREE Live webinars for more conversations like this, and as a BONUS, get our newest mini-ebook instantly upon signing up! https://moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar (digital download). Dive into money, mindset, and motivation videos on my YouTube Channel, and be sure to subscribe so you can be notified of our weekly LIVE streams. Find out about our next weekend workshop, and see what others are saying: https://www.moneyschooltraining.com/registration.

Most investors never question the hierarchy they're operating in. They borrow money, take on operational risk, manage tenants, absorb volatility, and send a large portion of every payment upstream to the lender. If something breaks, if a tenant stops paying, if the market turns—the obligation to the bank doesn't change. This is the Mr. Burns model: the banks sit at the top of the building collecting checks, while everyone else does the work below. The slow flip model flips that hierarchy entirely. Instead of rehabbing properties or betting on appreciation, the investor becomes the lender. Short-term private money is used to acquire low-dollar properties, then paid off quickly through long-term owner financing. For the first few years, the deal feels tight. Cash flow is modest. But once the private capital is gone, the asset is owned free and clear—and the payments keep coming for decades. No leverage. No refinancing risk. No dependency on market timing. What makes this approach powerful isn't just the math, though the math is staggering. It's the positioning. Ultra-affordable housing behaves differently from traditional rentals. Demand doesn't disappear in downturns. People can always move down in price—but there's a floor they can't go below. And by structuring the deal as the bank, the investor removes themselves from the operational chaos that destroys so many otherwise "good" deals. In this episode, we sit down with Scott, a real estate investor who's been in the game since the 1990s, got crushed in the 2008 collapse, and rebuilt with a model explicitly designed to survive the next downturn. We talk about why slow flips aren't about patience for patience's sake, how amortization quietly creates generational cash flow, and why the investors who win long term are usually the ones willing to give up speed early in exchange for control later. About Our Guest Scott Jelinek is an entrepreneur, coach, full-time real estate investor, and author of The Art of the Slow Flip. He has been investing in real estate since 1994 and has completed well over six hundred deals, continuing to be a leader in the industry. He has owned and operated a wide variety of businesses, from tanning salons to hot dog shops--all while buying, selling, and renting properties. Today, Scott uses his knowledge and experience to coach other real estate investors. Over 15 years, Scott built a rental portfolio of more than 100 properties. On paper, it looked like success. In reality, it was constant tenant issues, mounting repairs, and growing leverage. By 2008, he was $1.3 million in debt and ultimately lost more than 55 properties to foreclosure. That experience forced a hard reset and led him to abandon traditional rentals in favor of what he later named the Slow Flip model: selling low-cost homes on terms and holding the paper. Since then, Scott has completed hundreds of slow flips, building long-term cash flow without tenants, repairs, or property management, and now focuses on helping other investors escape the operational grind of real estate. To learn more or buy the book, go to https://www.slowflip.com/. About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom. Get Your FREE Copy Of 'The Private Money Guide' and 'Mapping Out The Millionaire Mystery'. Keep up with us every week on our FREE Live webinars for more conversations like this, and as a BONUS, get our newest mini-ebook instantly upon signing up! https://moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar (digital download). Dive into money, mindset, and motivation videos on my YouTube Channel, and be sure to subscribe so you can be notified of our weekly LIVE streams. Find out about our next weekend workshop, and see what others are saying: https://www.moneyschooltraining.com/registration.