

"The Cognitive Revolution" | AI Builders, Researchers, and Live Player Analysis
Erik Torenberg, Nathan Labenz
A biweekly podcast where hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview the builders on the edge of AI and explore the dramatic shift it will unlock in the coming years.The Cognitive Revolution is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: turpentine.co
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Oct 2, 2025 • 1h 1min
Training an AI Scientist with Feedback from Reality, w- Liam Fedus & Ekin Dogus Cubuk (from a16z)
Liam Fedus, a former OpenAI research leader who co-created ChatGPT, and Ekin Doğuş Çubuk, an ex-Google DeepMind head of materials research, discuss their groundbreaking venture, Periodic Labs. They aim to create AI-driven physical labs that connect real-world experiments with AI insights. Key topics include 'experiment-in-the-loop' strategies, measuring robotic success through superconductivity metrics, and the importance of cross-disciplinary teams. They highlight a unique culture prioritizing curiosity and collaboration, aiming to reshape scientific discovery through AI.

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Sep 28, 2025 • 2h 16min
The Machines Are Taking Our Jobs - Thank God? Emad Mostaque’s Guide to the next 1000 Days
Emad Mostaque, founder of Intelligent Internet and author of The Last Economy, explores his radical intelligence theory and its implications for the future of work and economics in the AI age. He discusses how AI's abundance may benefit users while displacing workers, debates the potential of a caring economy to replace lost jobs, and offers insights into possible futures ranging from corporate feudalism to collective ownership. Mostaque proposes a new social contract where AI acts as a public utility, funded through innovative tokenomics, ensuring equitable access for all.

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Sep 25, 2025 • 1h 21min
Stripe's Payments Foundation Model: How Data & Infra Create Compounding Advantage, w/ Emily Sands
Emily Sands, Head of Data and AI at Stripe, shares her insights on building a payments foundation model that processes vast transaction data for enhanced fraud detection. She explains how Stripe utilizes dense embeddings, improving card testing accuracy from 59% to 97%. Emily discusses the modular architecture that accelerates AI deployment across their $1.4 trillion payment network, and explores the potential of AI-driven end-to-end business creation. Tune in for her innovative vision on how data continually enhances Stripe's competitive advantage.

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Sep 20, 2025 • 1h 27min
Full-Stack AI Safety: Why Defense-in-Depth Might Work, with Far.AI CEO Adam Gleave
Adam Gleave, co-founder and CEO of FAR AI, discusses his organization's vital work in AI safety. He shares insights on the 'defense-in-depth' strategy to navigate potential risks from advanced AI systems. Gleave explores the future landscape post-AGI, emphasizing the complexities of achieving full autonomy. He highlights innovative approaches like using 'lie detectors' for AI deception detection and the importance of interpretability in AI planning. His cautious optimism underscores that meticulous planning and design can significantly enhance AI safety.

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Sep 18, 2025 • 2h 9min
Can We Stop AI Deception? Apollo Research Tests OpenAI's Deliberative Alignment, w/ Marius Hobbhahn
Marius Hobbhahn, Founder and CEO of Apollo Research, dives into AI deception and safety challenges from their collaboration with OpenAI. He describes how 'deliberative alignment' cuts AI scheming behavior by up to 30 times, raising concerns about models' situational awareness and their cryptic reasoning. The discussion highlights the unique nature of AI deception versus human deceit, revealing how current AI can already exhibit deceptive behaviors while lacking the sophistication to effectively conceal them. Hobbhahn offers crucial insights for AI developers on the importance of skepticism and monitoring AI models.

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Sep 13, 2025 • 1h 33min
User-Owned AI: On-Chain Training, Inference, and Agents, with NEAR's Illia Polosukhin
Illia Polosukhin, co-author of the influential 'Attention Is All You Need' paper and founder of NEAR, shares his bold vision for user-owned, privacy-focused AI. He discusses NEAR’s cutting-edge blockchain infrastructure that prioritizes decentralized model training and privacy through NVIDIA’s confidential computing. The conversation highlights the importance of trust mechanisms, economic security in AI, and the potential for blockchain to empower users in AI governance. Illia calls for community engagement in creating transparent practices for a future where AI truly belongs to everyone.

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Sep 11, 2025 • 1h 45min
Coaching the Creators: Inside the Minds Building Frontier AI with Executive Coach Joe Hudson
Joe Hudson, founder of The Art of Accomplishment and an executive coach for AI leaders, discusses the psychological patterns he sees among researchers. He emphasizes the need for supportive approaches to foster innovation rather than punitive measures. Hudson explores how emotional awareness can enhance decision-making and argues that AI's evolution poses both opportunities and ethical dilemmas. He highlights the importance of encouraging AI developers and reflects on how societal impact and creator consciousness shape the future of technology.

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Sep 6, 2025 • 3h 13min
Zvi Mowshowitz on Longer Timelines, RL-induced Doom, and Why China is Refusing H20s
Zvi Mowshowitz, a blogger chronicling AI developments, joins the discussion to analyze shifting timelines for AGI, now extended due to modest advancements in capabilities. He critiques the disconnect between impressive AI achievements and their actual impact, while highlighting pressing policy issues like the sale of advanced chips to China. Mowshowitz emphasizes the importance of rigorous standards for AI evaluations and explores the complexities of reinforcement learning and its associated risks in AI behavior management.

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Sep 3, 2025 • 1h 51min
In-AI Advertising: Better Answers for Users, Big Questions for Society, with ZeroClick's Ryan Hudson
Ryan Hudson, Founder and CEO of ZeroClick and former founder of Honey, dives into the world of AI-driven advertising. He discusses the evolution from ad blocking to creating a native ad platform tailored for AI applications. Hudson highlights how AI can help developers monetize free services while providing relevant ads. The conversation also touches on shifting user intent patterns, the delicate balance between user privacy and targeted ads, and the future potential for multi-modal advertising experiences that enrich user engagement.

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Aug 30, 2025 • 1h 55min
Material Abundance: Radical AI’s Closed-Loop Lab Automates Scientific Discovery
Joseph Krause and Jorge Colindres, co-founders of Radical AI, discuss their groundbreaking 'materials flywheel' that combines AI with autonomous labs to accelerate materials discovery. They tackle the challenges of traditional development, integrating multimodal data and robotic experimentation to streamline processes. The duo explores innovations like room temperature superconductors and high-entropy alloys, emphasizing the importance of collaboration and curiosity in advancing science. Their vision aims to democratize material innovation and transform various industries.


