The No Film School Podcast

Making a micro-budget film in a short span of time may feel like an impossible task. What would you say if we told you that these limitations actually make the filmmaking process easier? How is it possible to have more freedom when you are dealing with more restrictions?In today’s episode, No Film School’s Charles Haine, GG Hawkins, Jason Hellerman speak with filmmakers Matt Hirschhorn and Eric Cohen to discuss: The origin of Wine Club and how Matt and Eric reverse engineered the film How the limitations and parameters of shooting a micro-budget film is liberating Staying calm in the face of a literal storm during a rain out in California Cultivating a ‘no assholes’ policy during filming Having the entire film edited by the Second AC who had no prior editing experience Why they are considering self distribution Their trick for shooting very quickly Not knowing how the cast would work together before filming Attending film school in North America as an immigrant Memorable Quotes “You can get the best out of you, when you know what you can’t do.” [8:17] “Instead of overthinking and suffocating the story, it’s letting the story evolve and become what it wants to be.” [10:17] “This kid ended up editing the entire movie.” [15:19] “Getting that double coverage in one set up was so critical. It let us capture so much, so quickly.” [26:31] Resources:How to Write a Screenplay in 10 WeeksFollow Wine Club movie on InstagramFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Laura Moss and Brendan J. O’Brien are the writers behind the film, Birth/Rebirth, which premiered at the 2023 Sundance Film Festival. The film was inspired by Mary Shelley's novel Frankenstein, but with a focus on the madness and monstrosity of motherhood. In this episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins speaks with writers Laura Moss and Brendan J O’Brien to discuss:  How Laura and Brendan met and their very unique relationship One of the best pieces of advice Laura ever received on scriptwriting Finally getting accepted into the Sundance Labs on the 5th attempt Advice for anyone who applies to Sundance Labs and gets rejected The amazing experience working with the production company The biggest challenge they had in post-production Using natural sounds like ultrasounds and fetal heartbeats Weaving in sound design and score in a complicated scene What it was like working with a six-year-old actor for a horror film Casting Judy Reyes as one of the stars  Memorable Quotes “We got to know each other. We fell in love. We got married. We got divorced. And then we started really writing together in earnest.” [5:14] “One rejection does not mean you are punted.” [14:03] “The thing you think is going to be the easiest, turns out to be the hardest thing in the movie.” [29:56] “We both have had so much rejection behind us and so much rejection in front of us.” [46:35] Resources:Birth/RebirthFollow Laura and Brendan on InstagramFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Emerging filmmakers have heard the following advice over and over again. “There’s no excuse not to start filming. You can make a movie on your iPhone.” Well, shooting a film on your iPhone is more complicated than it sounds, especially when you have such a short deadline. In this episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins speaks with director Meghan Ross and editor Lauren Paige Sanders to discuss: Working with Adobe to create a short film, on an iPhone, in only 30 days Realizing they would have to be really flexible for the project How editing moved faster by syncing footage early on in Adobe Premiere  Filming on three different iPhones Trusting the editor’s vision and storytelling abilities Working with an aggressive post timeline  Why Meghan decided to star in the film herself Why it's important to have an AD One of Lauren’s favorite things she has ever edited  Using hot keys for everything you do in editing Adobe’s goal behind this short film Memorable Quotes “Working with an iphone instead of camera footage sounds easier, but it can be more challenging.” [6:25] “I like to be challenged in terms of editing. I like when stuff isn’t just laid out there for me and I have to figure it out.” [23:47] “Go with what you know, but feel free to explore outside of that.” [36:36] “You’re sharing this work on stage with this team of people. You are sharing the failures and you’re sharing the wins.” [38:32] Resources:Meghan’s websiteLauren’s websiteThe Making Of The Making Of an Austin Short Film masterpieceFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alex Buono is a director, producer, cinematographer, and executive producer who is known for his work on television shows such as Saturday Night Live, Documentary Now! and Russian Doll. He is currently working as the Directing Producer on a tv series, Based on a True Story, which is now available for streaming.  In this episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins speaks with Director Producer Alex Buono to discuss: Working at SNL soon after graduating film school How his time at SNL forced him to develop dexterity in his work Figuring out how to create different styles for each episode of Documentary Now! Bending genres and finding tone for the show, Based on a True Story Getting certain shots out of your system  Being influenced by Brian De Palma and the Cohen Brothers Good exercises for young filmmakers to try out Being a Directing Producer - it’s not for everyone How directing and producing is like being a project manager  Being the copilot that helps bring someone else’s vision to life Memorable Quotes “There was no time to worry about it. There was no time to overthink things. You just had to go and do it.” [5:07] “Find ways to tell a really gripping documentary, but in a really silly way.” [15:44] “If you grow up as a cinephile and as a film nerd, there’s just certain types of shots you are just desperate to do.” [19:01] “For most directors it is a real managerial job. You have to enjoy that and really want that role.” [37:40] Resources:Russian DollDocumentary Now!Based on a True StoryFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You love film just as much as you love music, so which career do you pursue? This is a difficult decision to make when you feel pulled in both directions. Well, who says you have to choose one or the other? Maybe you can combine your passions together and make something extra special.In today’s episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins and Jason Hellerman speak with singer-songwriter, Grace Potter to discuss: Ending a film major in order to pursue a fast-moving, music career How being in a music studio is like doing post production for a film The difference of pacing in film versus music Writing a set list as if it were a mini movie Why watching other people hate your work is a good thing Collaborating with director Catherine Fordham Eating spaghetti for breakfast everyday Making Ridley Scott the best cup of coffee  Not being allowed to watch television growing up Writing alone versus collaborating with others Memorable Quotes “There’s more permission and more patience with music fans than with film and tv, which is weird and unfair.” [7:54] “I don’t think there is a time for ‘no.’ There’s no time for ‘no’ when you’re in an inventive space.” [15:24] “You find out so much more about yourself when you stop trying to cover up your intentions.” [21:56] “It’s not about taking yourself and putting yourself into someone else’s world. It’s about finding where you fit, in a world that everyone’s creating together.” [47:56] “No means yes.” [55:16] Resources:Song "Mother Road"Find No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Vuk Lungulov-Klotz is a transgender filmmaker, cinematographer, and director of short films such as Still Liam and River Fork. Vuk’s feature film, Mutt, premiered at the 2023 Sundance Film Festival. The film’s leading actor, Lio Mehiel, won the Special Jury Acting Award at the festival. The film is set to release in theaters across the United States starting August 18. In this episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins speaks with director Vuk Lungulov-Klotz and actor Lio Mehiel to discuss:  Why Vuk included a few jokes early on in the story The frustrating process of finding actors  How Lio immediately related to the script  Bonding at a summer camping festival before shooting the film All the difficulties of shooting a film in NYC The process of finding locations and what they should have done differently Coordinating ADR sessions during edit The surreal feeling they felt at the world premiere Feeling stressed and anxious by people hyping up the movie The difference between screening a film in the US versus Europe Working alone as an actor versus working with an agency Memorable Quotes “It was the perfect vehicle to showcase the portrait of a trans man today.” [3:55] “If you can’t laugh about something, then we’re really screwed.” [6:48] “I have never read such a beautiful slice of life that represents this experience.” [10:00] “Anytime you can get practice in front of the camera, do it.” [39:58] “By the end of the film, I could hear the theater crying.” [46:12] Resources:Mutt More No Film School coverage on MUTTIn the SummersFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What is the difference between editing a film versus editing television episodes? How do you efficiently cut while shooting and what are the benefits to doing so? How should you react when the director or producer gives you feedback that you may disagree with? In today’s episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins speaks with editor, Joanna Naugle, to discuss:  Why Joanna fell in love with editing and how she got started in her career Why she loves working in tv with multiple editors The different mindset between editing a feature versus editing tv episodes  Using temp design and soundwork for the film, Molli and Max in the Future The only editing software she ever uses The workflow at her post house and the flexibility it offers her and the other editors The benefits to cutting while shooting Setting the scene for a beautiful doughnut montage in The Bear Being open-minded to try other ideas and bringing in other collaborators Editors growing too attached to their footage Memorable Quotes “It’s a way to talk about very human things in a very extraordinary, extraterrestrial way.” [12:56] “Every single shot was a VFX shot in that movie.” [14:08] “What’s the note behind the note?” [28:45] “You owe it to the people you are working with, especially if they are the director or producer, to at least try their idea.” [29:19] “I try not to be too precious with that first cut…I don’t think you should spend too much time obsessing over all the little details.” [32:18] Resources:Joanna's websiteSenior Post on InstagramThe BearMolli and Max in the FutureFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“Blissful ignorance of the system hurts more people in the long run.” If you are an emerging filmmaker who is not aware of the legalities involved in filmmaking, you should really consider hiring a lawyer. You may think you can’t afford a lawyer, but what you really cannot afford to do is remain in your ignorance. In today’s episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins speaks with lawyer/indie film producer, Natalie LeVeck, to discuss:  Becoming a full-time entertainment lawyer and a part-time indie film producer The difference between manager, agent and a lawyer Different types of lawyers and their roles Why not having a lawyer is one of the worst things you can do Why you should find a manager before finding a lawyer Keeping quiet about your ideas so no one steals them The most important deal of the entire film Paying the writer a percentage versus a flat fee  All the things you need to save in your Chain of Title file Getting your SAG deposit back What you need to do when you first get the Distributor contract  Talent contracts and the clauses to include Thinking about what’s important and not important to you  Talking to your attorney’s prior clients Memorable Quotes “If you are lucky enough to land a deal with a studio, you absolutely must have a lawyer helping you.” [12:17] “You can’t copyright an idea.” [18:49] “If you’re an indie producer and you read something you like, I would grab those rights as soon as humanly possible.” [22:12] “The entertainment law world is so small that people do care about their reputation.” [47:13] “The more we are informed, the more we can bring to the table.” [53:53] Resources:A Creature was Stirring - in theaters Nov 2023Connect with Natalie on LinkedInConnect with Natalie on InstagramFind No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alex Familian is the editor for the horror film, Appendage, which follows the story of a young fashion designer who struggles with anxiety and self-doubt. The main character’s feelings eventually manifest into a gross, ferocious growth which sprouts from her body and yells mean, demeaning phrases at her.In today’s episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins and Yaro Altunin speak with Editor Alex Familian discuss:  How the current WGA and SAG strikes are impacting his work in post-production What we love about improv Maintain work-life balance when your spouse is also a filmmaker The differences between the feature version and short version of the film  Practical versus virtual effects The crazy, speaking mechanism puppeteers created for the “appendage” character Differences between an online editor and offline editor What it was like to edit while the film was still being shot Why we prefer macbooks over desktops Alex’s go-to effects he uses during editing Memorable Quotes “I’m basically putting together a cut of the film with 25% of the movie missing.” [3:58] “It taught me how to be okay with failing.” [7:15] “Whole movie was cut and finished on a Macbook Pro.” [31:34] “People made editing software difficult on purpose so that other people wouldn’t know how to use it.” [36:08] Resources:Appendage (Full Short)Connect with Alex on InstagramCheck out Alex's websiteAppendage (Full Version) releases October 2023How Can Cinematography Techniques Help Your VFX?Find No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Elaine McMillion Sheldon is a director and writer known for documentaries, such as the Netflix Original Documentaries, Heroin(e) and Recovery Boys. Her latest film, King Coal, premiered at the 2023 Sundance Film Festival. This “part fable, part documentary” is about the complex, coal culture in Central Appalachia.In this episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins speaks with Emmy-winning filmmakers, Elaine McMillion Sheldon and Curren Sheldon to discuss:  The inception of the film and how it became a hybrid style What the lens vetting process was like Not using any artificial light The reason behind focusing on the young characters in the film  Why it’s important to have bad ideas Pushing through moments of vulnerability Where Elaine got inspiration from  Working with a breath artist to create all the crazy sounds in the film All the wonderful support they received from labs and grants  Why you need to have a long-term version Memorable Quotes “How do we make this feel almost like a dream, almost like an imagined future?” [7:51] “This film required a level of failure and vulnerability that made me insecure at moments. But ultimately made me grow as a filmmaker.” [14:09] “Having a long view of your career is so healthy otherwise you’re gonna get burnt out and depressed.” [31:20] “Most of this industry lives in a bubble, on a coast.” [42:08] Resources:King Coal trailerKing Coal official websiteKing Coal on InstagramHere is the upcoming 2023 theatrical:August 11th - DCTV- New York City, NY (weeklong)August 18th - Aperture Cinema - Winston-Salem, NC (weeklong)August 25th - Laemmle Glendale - Los Angeles, CA (weeklong)August 28th -Harris Theater - Pittsburgh, PA (Select shows during the week)August 31- Floralee Theater - Charleston, WV (Select shows)September 1st - The Nightlight - Akron, OH (weeklong)September 1st- Zoetropolis Cinema - Lancaster, PA (two-week run)September 1st - Central Cinema - Knoxville, TN (weeklong)September 4th - The Woodward Theater - Cincinnati, OH (one night)September 8th - Wexner Center of the Arts - Columbus, OH (one night)September 9th - Museum of the Moving Image- Queens, NY (one night)September 15th- Raleigh Playhouse- Beckley, WV (one night)September 21st - The Lyric Theater- Blacksburg, VA (one night)September 22nd - The Granada Theater- Bluefield, WV (one night)Find No Film School everywhere:On the Webhttps://nofilmschool.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschoolTwitter https://twitter.com/nofilmschoolYouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschoolInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/nofilmschoolSend us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices