The No Film School Podcast

In this episode, GG Hawkins speaks with Madison Jones and Lindsay Grossman, co-founders of The Love List, along with filmmaker Shelby Blake Bartelstein, about what makes a romance script stand out in today’s marketplace. They discuss the origins of The Love List, the evolving appetite for romance across film and television, how to craft undeniable chemistry on the page, and why specificity, vulnerability, and the grand gesture are essential tools for writers hoping to sell in the genre. In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guests discuss... The “meet cute” origin story behind The Love List and how a shared love of YA romance sparked a professional movement How The Love List curates the best unproduced romance pilots and screenplays each year Why romance remains commercially viable—and why the industry is rediscovering its power The importance of writing what you love instead of chasing market trends How to balance high-concept hooks with emotional authenticity Crafting chemistry on the page through small, specific moments Why vulnerability is the core engine of all great storytelling The art of the grand gesture in romantic storytelling Why television romance (including slow burns and enemies-to-lovers arcs) can be just as powerful as film How executives identify “soul” in a script—and why that’s what ultimately sells Memorable Quotes: “Write what you want to watch. To me, that is the most crucial piece of advice.” “What part of you is this healing?” “You can tell when there’s not a soul in it.” “It’s not about knowing whether or not they’re going to end up together. It’s about how they get there.” Guests: Madison Jones Lindsay Grossman Shelby Blake Bartelstein Resources: Deadline - The 2026 Love List The Love List on Instagram - @TheLoveList26 “Change the Prophecy” Short Film Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School Facebook: No Film School on Facebook Twitter: No Film School on Twitter YouTube: No Film School on YouTube Instagram: No Film School on Instagram 📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Recorded live at Sundance, this episode features a wide-ranging roundtable on the current state of independent film exhibition. Host GG Hawkins speaks with festival programmers, exhibitors, and platform founders about what’s broken in the exhibition ecosystem, what’s actually working better than people realize, and how community-driven models—from art houses to new distribution tools—are reshaping how films are discovered, shown, and sustained beyond the festival circuit. In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guests discuss… Why art house cinemas and film festivals remain vital community hubs The realities of audience-building beyond “market festivals” and multiplexes How filmmakers can rethink distribution, touring, and self-exhibition New tools and platforms helping filmmakers navigate submissions and discovery The rise of alternative distribution models, including physical media reimagined Why shorts, community producers, and collaboration matter more than ever How filmmakers and exhibitors can work together more effectively What a sustainable film community could look like in 2026 Memorable Quotes: “Art house cinemas and independent exhibitors and film festivals are thriving because they build community.” “Making movies is like having a baby… then you’ve got to raise it.” “There is such an opportunity on both sides for filmmakers and exhibitors to learn how to work together.” “Independent film is rooted in community and curation.” Guests: Ash Cook – Programmer, Sundance Film Festival; Festival Director, San Francisco Jewish Film Festival; Founder & CEO, Video.Storage Tony Gapastone – Founder & Executive Director, Bravemaker Lela Meadow-Conner – Interim Executive Director, Art House Convergence; Co-founder, The Popcorn List Tyler Knohl – Co-founder, Hiike; Assistant Director, Boston Sci-Fi Film Festival Brynne Norquist – Co-founder & CEO, Hiike Aidan Dick – COO, Video.Storage; Programmer, Frameline Film Festival Resources: Bravemaker – https://bravemaker.org Art House Convergence – https://arthouseconvergence.org The Popcorn List – https://thepopcornlist.com Hiike – https://hiike.com/ Video.Storage – https://www.videostoreage.com Frameline Film Festival – https://www.frameline.org Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School Facebook: No Film School on Facebook Twitter: No Film School on Twitter YouTube: No Film School on YouTube Instagram: No Film School on Instagram 📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, we dive into the logistics, strategy, and evolving experience of getting into and attending SXSW. GG Hawkins is joined by No Film School Founder Ryan Koo and a panel of SXSW insiders: Claudette Godfrey, Peter Hall, and Francis Román, who share their personal journeys into programming and illuminate the processes behind one of the most significant festivals in the world. Whether you’re hoping to submit, attend, or just understand the inner workings, this conversation offers clarity on what to expect from the 2026 edition and beyond. In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins, Ryan Koo, and guests discuss... The different paths each SXSW programmer took to join the festival team Why SXSW values first-time filmmakers and how they approach the programming process Practical ways to attend SXSW (volunteering, student discounts, single tickets) Major changes to SXSW 2026, including venue shifts, badge updates, and a new festival layout How to best prepare your submission, including rough cut etiquette and the importance of strong film stills Common myths about festival programming—debunked Why meaningful networking and personal connection at SXSW can shape careers What types of films SXSW is most excited about—and what they’re seeing too much of Memorable Quotes: "If a film can make you laugh in your home alone at 2 a.m. and you've worked a 20-hour day, then it's hilarious." "If you're submitting unfinished, you should have a title card at the very beginning that says exactly where you're at." "We're looking for that director's vision, the fingerprint on it." "You should come to South By, and if you can’t, go to whatever local film festival is going on in your area." Guests: Claudette Godfrey Peter Hall Francis Román Resources: SXSW Volunteer Info Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School Facebook: No Film School on Facebook Twitter: No Film School on Twitter YouTube: No Film School on YouTube Instagram: No Film School on Instagram 📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode recorded live at the Sundance Film Festival, No Film School founder Ryan Koo sits down with Julien and Justen Turner—real-life brothers and co-creators of FreeLance, an indie TV pilot that debuted in the festival’s Episodic Pilot Showcase. The Turner Brothers walk through their journey of building a creative career outside of New York or LA, self-funding their show in Columbus, Ohio, and pulling off a high-production-value pilot in just four days. They talk about their process, influences, and how their authentic, relatable characters came to life through personal experience and community-driven production. In this episode, No Film School’s Ryan Koo and guests discuss… The origin of the episodic pilot category at Sundance and its importance for indie creators How the Turner Brothers’ musical upbringing led to an early love of filmmaking Their decision to self-fund FreeLance instead of attending Sundance in 2023 Turning real-life freelance filmmaking experiences (like wedding videography chaos) into episodic comedy Casting comedians, athletes, and non-actors from social media and commercial work Building a 150-page show bible and planning a multi-season vision The four-day shoot that captured 41 minutes of content, including an improvised scene in a thrifted basement How making content in Ohio allowed the show to break traditional industry molds Advice for filmmakers: choose a date, build your team, and just shoot The surreal moment of getting the Sundance acceptance call (via their mom!) Memorable Quotes: “We kind of realized that the only people we were waiting on was ourselves.” “The more specific we were, the more universal it was.” “We shot a 41-minute pilot in four days.” “This is getting done, and it’s going to be done like this.” Guests: Julien Turner Justen Turner Resources: Dreadhead Films on Instagram dreadheadfilms.com Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School Facebook: No Film School on Facebook Twitter: No Film School on Twitter YouTube: No Film School on YouTube Instagram: No Film School on Instagram 📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This episode of the No Film School Podcast is recorded live from the final Sundance Film Festival in Park City, 2026. GG Hawkins and Ryan Koo are joined by No Film School writer Jo Light and special guest Teddy Kim to share insights and lessons from Sundance. Together, they reflect on what it takes to find true creative collaborators at festivals, how the indie landscape continues to shift, and why human connection still matters more than ever in a rapidly changing industry. The episode includes a game of "Red Flag, Green Flag" and wraps with an interview between Ryan Koo and writer-director Stephanie Ahn, whose feature Bedford Park won the U.S. Dramatic Special Jury Award for Debut Feature at Sundance 2026. In this episode you'll hear... How to make the most of Sundance even if you're not actively pitching a project Why networking at film festivals is more about vibe than résumé The evolving role of indie production companies balancing studio and independent films Which films are getting buzz at Sundance 2026 and what the acquisition market looks like How filmmakers are using episodic pilots and private screenings to get attention The pros and cons of “networking dinners” and late-night parties like Tao A playful, practical game of "Red Flag, Green Flag" to decode festival behavior GG’s and Jo’s favorite short and episodic pilots—and what makes them feel fresh A deep-dive interview with Bedford Park director Stephanie Ahn about perseverance, editing your own movie, and telling emotionally resonant stories Memorable Quotes: “In filmmaking, they often say you better give 10 years of your life… I exceeded that, and Stephanie exceeded that.” “You have to be very clear about what your intentions are and what the story is going to be. If you maintain an integrity with that, people come.” “It’s not a matter of whether there is a big headline acquisition… but can a bunch of other movies get acquired for $3 million and have a healthy minimum guarantee?” “I wanted to make a film that hopefully an audience would actually feel something—genuinely feel something.” Resources: Sundance 2026 Award Winners Guests: Jo Light Teddy Kim Stephanie Ahn Resources Mentioned: Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School Facebook: No Film School on Facebook Twitter: No Film School on Twitter YouTube: No Film School on YouTube Instagram: No Film School on Instagram 📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode recorded live from the final Sundance Film Festival in Park City, Utah, GG Hawkins is joined by No Film School’s Ryan Koo and Jo Light to commemorate the end of an era. The trio dives into personal memories, the legacy of Robert Redford, and what the future may hold for the festival as it prepares to relocate to Boulder, Colorado. They reflect on how Sundance has supported filmmakers through its labs, how festival culture shapes careers, and the emotional highs and lows of navigating the indie film landscape. GG also shares behind-the-scenes insights from her recent event at Sundance focused on women in the business of film, while offering a candid look at what it really takes to get a film into a top-tier festival. In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins, Ryan Koo, and Jo Light discuss... What makes Sundance in Park City so special—and why it's bittersweet to say goodbye The importance of Sundance's labs and the legacy of Robert Redford The emotional impact of community and connection during film festivals GG’s first Sundance as a filmmaker with a feature and her reflections on that journey Advice for filmmakers on submission strategy and post-production polish What types of films stand out at Sundance today: high-concept, star-driven, or uniquely personal Highlights from GG’s industry dinner focused on women in the business of film Thoughts and hopes for the new Sundance location in Boulder, Colorado Memorable Quotes: “The old rules don’t apply and the new rules haven’t been written.” “If it’s not ready, don’t submit yet. Unless Willem Dafoe is in your movie.” “You’re already 99.9% past the obstacles just by making a movie.” “Robert Redford used his power to help others.” Guests: Ryan Koo Jo Light Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School Facebook: No Film School on Facebook Twitter: No Film School on Twitter YouTube: No Film School on YouTube Instagram: No Film School on Instagram 📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

John Lamm, a multidisciplinary filmmaker and indie producer focused on low-budget international features, and Ana Liza Muravina, a filmmaker-producer turned writer-director with development and exec experience, discuss industry seasonality and why January is a strategic restart. They cover building personal structure during downtime, permission structures and investor thinking, designing outreach maps for projects, and how macro shifts create space for scrappy indie filmmaking.

In this episode, Charles Haine sits down with documentary co-directors Geneva Peschka and Anna Andersen to discuss their latest project The Solace of Sisterhood, which recently premiered at Tribeca. The conversation dives deep into the ethics of documentary filmmaking, how they found and built trust with their subjects—the Caramel Curves, a New Orleans-based all-female motorcycle club—and how they navigated a successful festival run. From storytelling intention to set culture, the team shares their collaborative journey in bringing vulnerability, softness, and strength to the screen. In this episode, No Film School's Charles Haine and guests discuss... How Geneva and Anna met and began their creative partnership Their journey developing The Solace of Sisterhood and pitching it to Fujifilm Building trust and a safe space for documentary subjects How bringing in co-founder True’s daughter, Skye, as a camera operator deepened the film The evolving importance of ethical statements in festival submissions Shifting set culture to prioritize respect, connection, and vulnerability Working with the Fujifilm GFX100 and achieving a cinematic, soft visual tone The emotional highs and logistical challenges of their festival journey, including premiering at Tribeca Memorable Quotes: "It starts for us on set—how people come together and how we approach one another and hold space for each other." "Documentary inherently asks so much out of our participants... it’s a job you have to do with integrity and with ethics." "You’re changing who’s telling the story... you’re letting them know they are a part of their narrative, as they should be." "Filmmaking can be very lonely... but we are each other's strengths." Guests: Geneva Peschka Anna Andersen Resources: The Solace of Sisterhood – Tribeca 2024 Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School Facebook: No Film School on Facebook Twitter: No Film School on Twitter YouTube: No Film School on YouTube Instagram: No Film School on Instagram 📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This episode of the No Film School Podcast dives deep into the power and necessity of physical spaces in modern film culture. Host GG Hawkins sits down with Maggie Mackay, Executive Director and board member of Vidiots—a beloved LA video store-turned-nonprofit cultural institution. They explore the origins and revival of Vidiots, what it takes to build a sustainable, audience-centered film space in a digital world, and why community, curation, and accessibility matter more than ever. It’s a moving, behind-the-scenes look at how passion, resilience, and radical thinking can reshape the future of cinema spaces. In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guest Maggie Mackay discuss... The emotional and communal value of physical film spaces How Maggie revived Vidiots through radical reimagining and persistence The challenges of creating a nonprofit, sustainable film hub Why the video store experience is still relevant to new generations How partnerships and collaboration helped save and relaunch Vidiots Building an audience-first, equitable business model Creating spaces where younger and older generations can discover film together Memorable Quotes: "Holy shit, what are we letting disappear on us?" "You can deep dive in ways in a video store that you can't in any other way." "Seeing kids grow up in the video store… it's the highlight of my career." "Think about doing the risky, crazy thing… and call us if you want to figure out how to make it happen." Guests: Maggie Mackay (IMDb) Resources: Indie Empire Use code GG25 for 25% off the Micro Budget Mindset course with GG Hawkins Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School Facebook: No Film School on Facebook Twitter: No Film School on Twitter YouTube: No Film School on YouTube Instagram: No Film School on Instagram 📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This episode of the No Film School Podcast features two conversations. First, host GG Hawkins reunites with filmmaker Pete Ohs, who returns to share the unique distribution experiment he’s launching with four films releasing throughout 2026. He reflects on his “table of bubbles” filmmaking philosophy and his desire to find joy instead of stress in the release process. Later, GG is joined by composer Hollie Buhagiar, whose original score for GG’s debut feature I Really Love My Husband is now out. They break down their collaborative process in detail, from early cue drafts to the film’s final emotional moments, revealing how bird calls, pitch-shifted vocals, and “surf rock” found their way into the film’s DNA. In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guests discuss... Pete Ohs’ philosophy of “table of bubbles” and how it’s guiding his 2026 film distribution approach Why Pete is using a different distribution strategy for each of his four new films What feels broken about indie film distribution today — and how to approach it differently Hollie Buhagiar’s journey into composing and her intuitive, emotion-driven scoring method The evolution of the score for I Really Love My Husband, including early drafts and final cues How creative freedom, happy accidents, and imperfect instruments brought the film to life The importance of developing a shared language between director and composer Memorable Quotes: "The films are a table made of bubbles. They cannot support anything." "The biggest result is just — is this fun?" "What's a convincing note?” "With great power comes great responsibility — even for the piano." Guests: Pete Ohs Hollie Buhagiar Resources: Pete's original pod interview Score for I Really Love My Husband on Spotify Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School Facebook: No Film School on Facebook Twitter: No Film School on Twitter YouTube: No Film School on YouTube Instagram: No Film School on Instagram 📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices