

New Creative Era
Joshua Citarella and Yancey Strickler
A podcast exploring how creative people develop their practices and the worlds we live and operate in. metalabel.substack.com
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Feb 24, 2026 • 1h 2min
Forward not back
They trace the web’s genealogy from gatekeeping to attention-driven rebundling and discuss private online communities rising as new cultural institutions. They list hopes like sustainable creative ecosystems, porous organizational forms, sincere interactions, editorial curation, and pluralism. They also name fears: exclusionary paywalls, rent-seeking platforms, amplified culture wars, manipulation, and governance capture.

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Feb 17, 2026 • 54min
Four countries or a thousand?
A rapid AMA tackling nationalism versus tiny regional sovereignties and whether consolidation or fragmentation serves society better. They debate wealth preservation thought experiments and new cultural myth-making. Technical topics include open source federation, data portability, moderation philosophies, and treasury mechanics. The conversation closes with a heated Section 230 debate and risks of algorithmic recommendation.

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Feb 11, 2026 • 1h 4min
The two wolves
They talk about how a sudden online community spawned a book club and instant, intense discussion. They debate moderation styles, from soft deliberation to firmer rules, and who gets to remove members. They weigh paywalled versus free spaces as filters and funding for community managers. They explore technical choices like self-hosting, mesh networks, and risks of platforms becoming degraded over time.

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Feb 4, 2026 • 47min
What if you could start your own internet?
They give the first tour of Dark Forest OS, a platform for shared private internets and app-like community spaces. The conversation covers building durable creative communities and the pains of stitching platforms together. They explain DFOS features like treasuries, membership flows, chat versus persistent posts, upvote dynamics, and plans for an app store and member-only shops.

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Jan 27, 2026 • 51min
The internet has been building to this
They unpack teleology and how tools drift toward outcomes embedded in their design. They explore cloud platforms taking on state-like roles and competing visions for a privatized internet. They compare a stack built on social democracy with a dystopian stack of surveillance, gated culture, and privatized welfare. They warn how platform features get repurposed in unexpected political ways.

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Jan 20, 2026 • 30min
The politics of withdrawal
Exploring the concept of 'dark forests,' the hosts tackle how private spaces can foster hidden understanding while potentially evading civic duty. They delve into Adam Curtis's critique of 1970s communes as inward-focused retreats. The discussion raises questions about the balance between sharing valuable ideas publicly and protecting them from misuse. With references to communities on platforms like Discord, they connect dark foresting to social dynamics. Ultimately, they view this phenomenon as a complex response to modern technology and cultural shifts.

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Jan 13, 2026 • 34min
Ingroups and outgroups
Dive into the intriguing world of curation and exclusion, exploring how Web2's promise of open platforms has ironically led to new forms of gatekeeping. The hosts discuss the value disparities and cultural protections that emerge from those exclusions. They examine how humans naturally gravitate towards in-groups, the ideologies that develop within them, and the role of memes and jargon in shaping subcultures. They also tackle governance issues in creative communities and the implications of resource-sharing dynamics. It's a thought-provoking look at belonging and boundaries!

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Dec 17, 2025 • 31min
Dark forests and antimemetics
Explore the hidden world of dark forests and antimemetics, where ideas resist visibility. Discover how bureaucratic structures obscure information and how niche audiences can powerfully outshine mass media. The conversation highlights the allure of elusive groups, shared rules, and anonymity in fostering genuine creative interactions. Delve into the contrast between quick viral hits and enduring, impactful work, and uncover how these secret spaces serve as vibrant hubs for collaboration and innovation.

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Dec 10, 2025 • 40min
Do dark forests live forever?
Josh and Yancey dive into the intriguing lifecycles of Dark Forest communities. They discuss how these online spaces begin, evolve, and sometimes decay. Key topics include the importance of consistent output and quality curation to prevent entropic decline. They highlight factionalism's role in community dynamics and explore how reputational roles retain talent. The conversation also touches on cultural legacies, revealing how ideas can endure long after groups have disbanded. Tune in for insights on fostering lasting connections in digital spaces!

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Dec 3, 2025 • 33min
The philosophy of dark forests
Explore the intriguing philosophy of dark forests, where the line between threat and sanctuary blurs. These spaces foster privacy, enabling dissent and collective action away from prying eyes. Discover how social isolation drives people into communal enclaves, and how deplatforming can energize group formation. Delve into the balance of public and private, and the dangers of echo chambers. The conversation culminates in reflections on how transient groups can evolve into lasting institutions.


