The Turing Podcast

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Feb 17, 2026 • 43min

The Survival of the Fittest Route: Genetic Algorithms in Shipping and Sustainability

How can the study of ant colonies and evolutionary theory help us ensure the resilience and sustainability of global shipping? In this episode, host Amelia Jabry is joined by Professor Adam Sobey (Mission Director for Sustainability at the Alan Turing Institute) and Senior Applied Scientist Dr. Przemyslaw (Slaw) Grudniewski from Theyr. Together, they explore the ‘evolution’ of shipping route optimisation - from early concepts proposed by Alan Turing to cutting-edge Multi-Objective Genetic Algorithms. Discover how these ‘survival of the fittest’ models are being used to navigate the complex world of charter party agreements, fuel efficiency, and autonomous vessels. They also dive into the environmental impact of rerouting, discussing how a 1% change in fuel consumption can protect vital megafauna like whales, and what the melting Arctic means for the future of global trade.   Chapter Markers 0:30 | Co-Host Introduction: Professor Adam Sobey Introduction of Adam Sobey, Mission Director for Sustainability at the Alan Turing Institute and Professor at the University of Southampton. 1:20 | Guest Introduction: Dr. Przemyslaw (Slaw) Grudniewski Introduction of Slava, Senior Applied Scientist atTheyr The history of Adam and Slava’s collaboration, starting from Slava's PhD in 2015. 4:30 | The Path to Genetic Algorithms Why the team focused on genetic algorithms, including the influence of a talk at the University of Bristol on co-evolution mechanisms. 5:00 | Why Shipping Matters: The Ever Given Incident The significance of global trade by sea (80-90%) and the 2021 Suez Canal blockage by theEver Given. 6:20 | The Sustainability Imperative Shipping currently accounts for 2-3% of world emissions, emphasizing the massive need for reduced costs and improved sustainability. 7:15 | Defining Genetic Algorithms Explaining unsupervised learning algorithms based on "survival of the fittest" and evolutionary mechanics. 8:40 | Applying Evolutionary Principles to Route Optimisation How routes are treated as individuals that create "offspring" through crossover and mutation. 10:20 | Multi-Objective Genetic Algorithms "There is no one best route"—balancing conflicting goals like voyage time vs. fuel consumption. Explaining why multi-objective approaches provide a set of optimal solutions rather than a single answer. 11:00 | Charter Party Agreements & Alternative Fuels The complexity of "rental agreements" (charter parties) and the shift toward net-zero fuels like ammonia, hydrogen, and nuclear. 12:20 | The Rise of Fully Autonomous Vessels Navigating the challenges of crewless ships and how they allow for real-time route adjustments. 13:30 | Sustainability Benefits of Autonomy Removing crew-related weight can lead to estimated fuel reductions of around 20%. 14:40 | Safety and Regulation The role of the Alan Turing Institute and Lloyd’s Register in developing standards and validation for autonomous systems. 16:15 | Risks: Cyber Threats and Bad Actors Addressing piracy, cybersecurity risks, and the safety of alternative fuel sources. 18:00 | Why Genetic Algorithms Win Comparing genetic algorithms against local search methods like A* and Dijkstra for complex, real-world problems. 19:00 | Top Performance: cMLSGA ThecMLSGA (Convolutional Multi-Level Selection Genetic Algorithm) and its 7-8% improvement over other models. This represents a saving of 50 to 380 tonnes of fuel per day for large vessels. 20:20 | History: From Alan Turing to Today How the field traces back to Turing’s 1948 ideas of "child-like" intelligence that learns and evolves. 22:20 | Ants, Tribes, and Co-Evolution Using the study of ant colonies and human tribal behaviour to understand collective fitness and reproduction. 23:50 | Scaling Solutions through Collectives Applying the concept of "collectives" to solve large-scale optimisation problems through collaboration. 25:25 | Multi-Level Selection How "groups of individuals" (collectives) can compete and work together to look at different objectives simultaneously. 26:20 | Collective vs. Convergence-Based Algorithms Why maintaining diversity in a population is more effective than focusing on a single "perfect" solution too early. Diversity provides better and more informed choices with the data at hand. 28:00 | Success Stories: TVOS and Whale Protection TheTVOS (Theyr Voyage Optimisation Software) and its real-world impact. The importance of protecting marine life and megafauna. 29:50 | Navigating the Environment The difficulty of rerouting massive ships and the role of deep learning vs. genetic algorithms in icy environments. 32:50 | The Arctic and New Trade Routes How melting sea ice is opening new routes and the resulting need for specialized "ice-class" vessels. 35:50 | Industry Adoption and Client Surprises Overcoming the lack of maritime background to deliver results that surprise industry veterans. 38:30 | The Future: Power Prediction Models What’s next for the field, including more advanced predictive modelling. 41:00 | Summary and the Power of Collaboration A hopeful look at how the Alan Turing Institute acts as a convening power for sustainability research.
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Nov 6, 2025 • 28min

Navigating Change: AI in Arctic Sea Ice Forecasting

The Arctic is undergoing rapid changes due to climate change, making sea ice forecasting increasingly important. In this episode of the Turing Podcast, hosts Amelia Jabry and Dr. Sophie Arana discuss the critical role of AI models like IceNet in predicting sea ice conditions and aiding conservation efforts. Featuring Dr. Ellie Bowler from the British Antarctic Survey, the conversation dives into the technical details of IceNet, its applications for wildlife conservation, and the challenges of predicting sea ice dynamics. The discussion also covers the importance of these predictions for indigenous communities and wildlife that rely on the frozen Arctic landscape. Learn how AI is revolutionising our approach to these urgent environmental challenges. Read more about our environmental forecasting work here: https://www.turing.ac.uk/blog/democratising-environmental-forecasting-age-ai  Explore IceNet: https://icenet.ai/ Find out more about Dr Ellie Bowler's publications: https://www.bas.ac.uk/profile/eller/ Read more about Dr Sophie Arana here: https://www.turing.ac.uk/people/dr-sophie-arana    Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to Arctic Climate Change 00:39 Meet the your host Amelia and co-host Dr Sophie Arana  00:57 Understanding the Role of a Research Application Manager 01:47 Introduction to ICE Net 02:47 AI vs. Traditional Physics-based Forecasting Models 03:40 Human Expertise and AI Collaboration 04:56 Introducing Dr. Ellie Bowler and her sea ice and caribou migration forecasting research 06:21 Challenges in Sea Ice Forecasting 10:01 Caribou Migration and Conservation 12:30 Impact of Human Activities on Arctic Wildlife 16:38 Innovative Conservation Methods 23:25 Future of ICE Net and AI in Conservation 26:54 Conclusion and Further Resources
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Jul 2, 2025 • 49min

The Cyber Cold War: How AI is Defending Our Critical National Infrastructure

New podcast - defending our critical national infrastructure.   Podcast host Amelia Jabry is joined by co-host and Turing Principal Research Scientist, Vasilios Mavroudis to explore how AI is reshaping both the defence and attack of vital systems like healthcare, energy and transport. With the help of special guest, Microsoft’s Director of Global AI & Cybersecurity Policy Nicholas Butts, they ask: how vulnerable are our power grids, water systems, and communications networks in the age of advanced AI? And what are organisations like the Alan Turing Institute and Microsoft are doing to protect these essential services? Episode Notes Please find below a list of resources and news articles that were mentioned in the podcast:  Microsoft Digital Defense Report 2024 Glossary - AIRC Staying ahead of threat actors in the age of AI | Microsoft Security Blog https://www.thestack.technology/ai-agent-whisperer-liberates-llm-to-spout-filthy-cardy-b-lyrics/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0el31nqnpvo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx1qp64wrno  
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Nov 12, 2024 • 54min

Defining AI safety

Ed and David chat with Professor Ibrahim Habli, Research Director at the Centre for Assuring Autonomy in the University of York, and director of the UKRI Centre for Doctoral Training in Safe AI Systems. The conversation covers the topic of defining and contextualising AI safety and risk, given existence of existing safety practices from other industries. Ibrahim has collaborated with The Alan Turing Institute on the "Trustworthy and Ethical Assurance platform", or "TEA" for short, an open-source tool for developing and communicating structured assurance arguments to show how data science and AI tech adheres to ethical principles.
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Jul 4, 2024 • 46min

The cutting edge of emotional and cognitive neuroscience

On this episode, Bea and Jessie are joined by Becky Inkster and Mark Sheppard, co-founders of The Laß; a fusion of science, creativity and personal reflection. Collaborating with famous musicians, dancers and members of the public, Becky and Mark use EEG brain activity technology to visualise poignant moments. They hope to offer both internal and external reflection opportunities to nurture personal growth and community bonds. For more information visit - https://www.beckyinkster.com/the-lab   Don't forget to explore our shorter AI news podcast - too long didn't read
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May 3, 2024 • 47min

AI for Cyber Defence (AICD) research centre

Two research center leaders discuss applying deep learning to autonomous agents for cyber defense, the intersection of cybersecurity and machine learning, hardware vulnerabilities, enhancing cybersecurity measures, language models in cybersecurity, and the future of AI integration in cybersecurity.
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Apr 16, 2024 • 33min

Our AI Futures - Lord Chris Holmes and the AI Bill

On this episode of The Turing Podcast Bea and Anneca are joined by Lord Chris Holmes, Britain’s most successful Paralympic swimmer and an active member of the House of Lords with a policy focus on digital technology for public good. Connect with Lord Holmes on  Linked In   Explore our regular news AI news podcast, too long didn't read
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Jan 30, 2024 • 56min

Project Bluebird: Revolutionising Air Traffic Control with AI and digital twins

The Turing Podcast revisits Project Bluebird; a fascinating collaboration aiming to solve some of the biggest and most complex problems in air traffic control with digital twins and AI. Join Ed as he sits down with Nick Pepper of The Alan Turing Institute, George De Ath of the University of Exeter and Marc Thomas of NATS - the team behind Project Bluebird. First featured on our podcast in 2020, the team now provides a progress update at the midpoint mark. Learn how they are developing innovative AI to train a digital twin air traffic controller with the aim of enhancing aviation safety and functionality, and what the challenges are, integrating human expertise with machine intelligence.
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Dec 21, 2023 • 52min

AI for Cyber Defence

PhD candidates from Imperial College London discuss using AI for cyber defence, winning the CAGE challenge with reinforcement learning. They explore defending networks with blue and red agents, discovering web app vulnerabilities, and defending against diverse hacking attempts. The conversation highlights the importance of data quality and AI in enhancing cybersecurity measures.
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Dec 15, 2023 • 39min

Building Digital Tools for Polar Research

This week on The Turing Podcast we chat about some of the research going on in the collaborations between the British Antarctic Survey (BAS) and The Alan Turing Institute, including efforts to automate the route planning of ships in polar regions, and the building of a digital twin for Antarctica!  The hosts are joined by Dr Scott Hosking and Dr Jonathan Smith. Scott is Co-Director for the Alan Turing Institute Research and Innovation Cluster in Digital Twins, as well as the founder and leader of the BAS AI lab. Jonathan is a Principal Research Scientist, also at the BAS AI lab.

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