

ShanghaiZhan: All Things Global Marketing, Advertising, Tech & Platforms
Ali Kazmi & Bryce Whitwam
ShanghaiZhan is a raw, lively, and regular debate about global tech, advertising, creativity & the intersection of it all. Join hosts Ali Kazmi and Bryce Whitwam, for timely discussions on the world of marketing and advertising.
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Oct 28, 2022 • 47min
Exporting Made in China Through Influencers: Relay Club's Jim Fields
Can Chinese brands get a voice abroad? Today we are talking to Jim Fields. He's a social media influencer on YouTube and Bili Bili with tens of thousands of followers - and he recently founded an influencer management platform for Chinese brands going outbound called relay.club, which has just finished a round of angel fundraising. 1. What is Relay Club, and what problem is it set up to solve?2. What's the advantage of a China-based influencer service? It's about authenticity. 3. What are the differences between influencer marketing in China and the West?4. Is there a difference between how influencers make money on YouTube vs. Bilibili? (See Jim's video on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2oowcPatV4)5. What are the cultural differences in how influencers are used by brands?6. How does Shanghaizhan monetize its influencers? It's a labor of love 7. What about exporting social commerce?8. What's the best way to budget your allocation on influencers? Focus on engagement & reach and less on follower count 9. What's the right influencer strategy? Scatter or a singular, long-term approach?10. Any outlandish brand experiences you'd like to share? How about re-useable balloons?11. Do we need to re-think the influencer model under Web3/metaverse?12. I want to be an influencer. Any advice you can give me?13. How do you avoid social media haters and toxicity? 14. A/B Test: KOLs, TikTok and Real!Jim Field's Links: On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfjpfd1ZEYBcrv6umNKDANw/featuredOn Bilibili: https://space.bilibili.com/32384384?spm_id_from=333.337.0.0On Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jifields/For everything ShanghaiZhan: http://zhanstation.com/Donate & become a ShanghaiZhan Patron: https://www.patreon.com/shanghaizhanShanghaiZhan Theme Music: by Bryce Whitwamhttps://soundcloud.com/bryce-r-whitwam/bad-cough-syrup?si=cfb30a6e0c0e459da78b912bf60825acBryce on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brycewhitwam/Ali on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alikazmi/

Oct 14, 2022 • 35min
The Rising China Sports Fashion Industry: Gavin Lum of Lululemon
What's new with the sports fashion industry in China? Now at $45 billion US annually, it continues to expand and grow. Everyone is getting into the game, including luxury brands. Gucci, Prada, and LV are all getting into street fashion to attract younger targets. And with the strength of local brands, will market leaders Nike and Adidas weather the storm?We are talking to Gavin Lum, who's spent the last 14 years in China working for leading agencies and brands, all dedicated to the sports industry. Gavin previously worked at the agency Weiden + Kennedy before moving to a career at Adidas. He currently serves as Digital Brand Director at Lululemon China, based in Shanghai.1. What got you into the sports fashion industry?2. Why is the luxury industry getting into the sports game?3. How has the industry been impacted by Covid-19? There are 2 sides...4. What's with sports apps like KEEP? Do they have global ambitions?5. Gamification of sport and the importance of social media6. What's the reason for the rise in local brands? Will the big boys survive?7. But there are still opportunities for niche brands...8. How do you balance sports and fashion? Is performance still necessary?9. A/B Test: Laksa, Tokyo & Lululemon!Gavin on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gavinlum/For everything ShanghaiZhan: http://zhanstation.com/Donate & become a ShanghaiZhan Patron: https://www.patreon.com/shanghaizhanShanghaiZhan Theme Music: by Bryce Whitwamhttps://soundcloud.com/bryce-r-whitwam/bad-cough-syrup?si=cfb30a6e0c0e459da78b912bf60825acBryce on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brycewhitwam/Ali on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alikazmi/

Sep 30, 2022 • 37min
The China/America Education Connection: NYU Shanghai's Jeffrey Lehman
Is China still a great place to study? Despite our differences, some institutions keep the spirit of positive collaboration between China and America alive, and one of them is NYU. We spoke to NYU Shanghai's Vice Chancellor, Jeffrey Lehman, about the globalization of education. Why, despite Covid restrictions, should students consider China a place to study? 1. Shanghai to Shenzhen: what's China's big draw?2. What's NYU Shanghai about? What makes it different?3. The magic of the Chinese student/foreign student split 4. The difference between globalized education and studying abroad5. Employee training and the role of universities: should there be more collaboration?6. Why is university tuition so high? What can be done about it? Jeffrey has some ideas.7. Why, after all the lockdowns, should parents send their kids to China to study?8. A/B Test: Supreme Court switching, Katz Deli, and the Detroit TigersJeff on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffreylehman/NYU Shanghai: https://shanghai.nyu.edu/NYU Shanghai on Twitter: @nyushanghaiNYU Shanghai on LInkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/school/nyushanghai/For everything ShanghaiZhan: http://zhanstation.com/Donate & become a ShanghaiZhan Patron: https://www.patreon.com/shanghaizhanShanghaiZhan Theme Music: by Bryce Whitwamhttps://soundcloud.com/bryce-r-whitwam/bad-cough-syrup?si=cfb30a6e0c0e459da78b912bf60825acBryce on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brycewhitwam/Ali on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alikazmi/

Sep 16, 2022 • 39min
The Future of the Chinese Metaverse: Unilever's Tom Hui Young
Tom Hui Young talks about his real passion, the metaverse, and how it will change how we live, shop, work, and interact with products. Tom is a molecular biologist but, his true passion lives in the human experience in a virtual world. If you thought the metaverse was about geeky Mark Zuckerberg avatars and bulky Oculus glasses, this is the episode for you!Tom is an innovator, software architect, data scientist, futurist, runner, and entrepreneur. He holds a Ph.D. from the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Biomathematics, Bioinformatics, and Computational Biology. Tom has spent a long time researching virology, molecular biology, and genomic health, co-founded a digital health startup, steered data science and AI at Accenture China, and is most recently running the data and AI function at Unilever China as their Global AI Director and North Asia Data Head. 1. What is the metaverse, and why is it important?2. Wait for the innovative leapfrog or the "iPhone Moment."3. Tom's bold prediction: a bet for 1 Bitcoin!4. What motivates a Ph.D in molecular biology to get into the metaverse? A special moment in the car!5. Who will control the metaverse from getting out of control? You have to wait...6. What services will be the initial metaverse products? What about online retail?7. Ali's dystopian fears and Tom's reassurance.8. Benefits of the metaverse: working together, medicine9. Who's leading the metaverse platform in China?10. Tools in the metaverse: blockchain & NFTs - what's the future in China?11. Metaverse and the democratization of experience12. Does your company need a "Metaverse Dept"?13. Any predictions that keep you awake at night? "Beam Me, Up Scotty"14. A/B Test: Bitcoin, Bitcoin, and Bitcoin!Tom on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-young-phd/For everything ShanghaiZhan: http://zhanstation.com/Donate & become a ShanghaiZhan Patron: https://www.patreon.com/shanghaizhanShanghaiZhan Theme Music: by Bryce Whitwamhttps://soundcloud.com/bryce-r-whitwam/bad-cough-syrup?si=cfb30a6e0c0e459da78b912bf60825acBryce on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brycewhitwam/Ali on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alikazmi/

Sep 2, 2022 • 55min
The Eventual Demise of the Automobile & The Rise of Chinese Mobility - Bill Russo
OUR 25th EPISODE!Meet Bill Russo, Founder and CEO of Shanghai-based Automobility. Bill founded a strategy and investment advisory firm that helps its clients build and profit from the future of mobility. In this episode, Bill provides a bleak outlook for the foreign automobile manufacturers in China who have missed the opportunity to re-think mobility as something more efficient, more environmentally friendly, and fundamentally more profitable than the current model, which relies purely on a one-time sale of a product and its eventual maintenance and repair. To Bill, the automobile is the least efficient device on Earth, but China companies are now leading the world in redefining automobile ownership.1. What is "automobility" and what does your company do in China?2. Why China will lead in new ways of mobility, thanks to the intervention of technology3. Making profit beyond the sale of the mobility device - what auto companies still cannot embrace4. Not a car but a mobility device is the biggest super-computer humans interact with on a daily basis5. Western car brands had big advantages over the Chinese industry, but now they are falling behind the local innovators6. Auto productivity equals 1 hour a day7. The growing portfolio of Chinese EV brands: who wins and loses?8. Will the traditional 4S dealer survive? Does it have a role in the new China mobility?9. Will we expect infrastructural changes to go with the changes in Chinese mobility?10. How can you be a part of the mobility revolution?11. What will be the Chinese EV that will sell abroad?12. The A/B Test: Puxi, of course! NIO and the NY Yankees!About Automobility: http://automobility.io/Bill on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/williamrusso/For everything ShanghaiZhan: http://zhanstation.com/Donate & become a ShanghaiZhan Patron: https://www.patreon.com/shanghaizhanShanghaiZhan Theme Music: by Bryce Whitwamhttps://soundcloud.com/bryce-r-whitwam/bad-cough-syrup?si=cfb30a6e0c0e459da78b912bf60825acBryce on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brycewhitwam/Ali on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alikazmi/

Aug 19, 2022 • 48min
Reimagining the Chinese Workspace Under the New Normal - Dominic Penaloza
What's the state of the workspace in Shanghai these days? What are the latest trends in work environments what's the role of technology? Will China go with the rest of the world and adapt the hybrid working model?Meet ex-Naked Hub/ex-WeWork China executive Dominic Penaloza to answer these questions. Dominic is a serial entrepreneur and has lived in Shanghai for 16 years. He was previously the founder of the professional social platform, You Shi, before moving into a role as Chief Technology & Innovation Officer at Naked Hub, a Shanghai-based company where he, his team, the technology products they built, and the business model innovation those technology products enabled resulted in WeWork acquiring naked Hub for USD 400 million in 2018. Dominic was WeWork’s head of technology and innovation for Greater China until 2020, and now he’s back to his entrepreneurial roots exploring various business opportunities and advising companies in the areas of Future of Work, Future of Mobility, and the intersection of technology and real estate.1. How WeWork got Naked in China for $400 million2. Shanghai: the birth of workspace on demand now known as "WeWork On Demand"3. Build the user experience by building space with energy4. How the lockdown impacted the co-working WeWork/Naked experience5. Remote Work + Technology: the biggest change in our lifetime6. CTrip embraces hybrid work: a massive study into the effectiveness of alternative work environments7. Hybrid is still the best model for Shanghai work using home & alternative work environments8. What's the missing tech? predictive co-working & calendar management9. China's size is still a big advantage for global entrepreneurs to come to China10. A/B Test: Palabok & Adam Neumann (sorry, Rebekah)Dominic on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dominicpenaloza/For everything ShanghaiZhan: http://zhanstation.com/Donate & become a ShanghaiZhan Patron: https://www.patreon.com/shanghaizhanShanghaiZhan Theme Music: by Bryce Whitwamhttps://soundcloud.com/bryce-r-whitwam/bad-cough-syrup?si=cfb30a6e0c0e459da78b912bf60825acBryce on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brycewhitwam/Ali on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alikazmi/

Aug 5, 2022 • 48min
China + Europe: The Cross Continental E-Commerce Connection: Victoria Glanz
Meet Victoria Glanz, a 12-year expert in bringing foreign brands to China and successfully launching them in e-commerce. Until recently, she led international expansion for Baozun, China's leading e-commerce service provider, launching its offices in Paris. She is launching a new company called Sesame that helps brands sell better online, taking her experience from China. You'll quickly discover there isn't much about China e-commerce that Victoria doesn't know.1. I never chose e-commerce in the first place, but not it's my obsession day and night.2. The demand is ready in Europe for e-commerce, but the offer is not yet being served3. Conversion Phase: the biggest difference between Europe & China's e-commerce markets4. Traditional Brands in Europe Still See Digital as a Sideshow5. Social Commerce -will the China model work in Europe?6. Any thoughts on Ali Express?7. To do big volume, don't go on WeChat8. Live Commerce: Will it work in Europe?: It depends upon the volumes9. What will happen post-Austin Li?10. Is China still a great market for brands? 50% is No!11. What about DTC commerce models in China? 12. How do get into the e-commerce business? Just do it.13. A/B Test: Shanghai, the French Riveria and No Ris de VeauVictoria on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/victoria-glanz-6290251b/About Fulljet: https://www.fulljet.com.cn/For everything ShanghaiZhan: http://zhanstation.com/Donate & become a ShanghaiZhan Patron: https://www.patreon.com/shanghaizhanShanghaiZhan Theme Music: by Bryce Whitwamhttps://soundcloud.com/bryce-r-whitwam/bad-cough-syrup?si=cfb30a6e0c0e459da78b912bf60825acBryce on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brycewhitwam/Ali on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alikazmi/

Jul 22, 2022 • 37min
Taking Brand China to the World: Ogilvy PR's Scott Kronick
We sat down with former Asia-Pacific CEO of Ogilvy PR, Scott Kronick, who is indisputably the father of modern PR in China. Scott lived in China for 29 years and is easily one of the longest serving agency leaders, foreigner or Chinese, in the China ad business. What's it going to take for Chinese brands to go abroad? This is the question we asked Scott, who's been behind the effort to take many successful and large-scale brands outside of China. China used to be about cheap goods, but now it represents attributes largely unknown back when Scott first came to China.Scott is now a Senior Advisor for Ogilvy PR, as well as the author of the book, "The Lighter Side of China". He's also an Adjunct Professor at Beijing University.1. The big moment that China brands came into the world (besides the Beijing 2008 Olympics): 2. Do China brands need to promote their country of origin? Is "Made in China" a good thing?3. Should more Chinese brands on Amazon embrace brand campaigns to increase their premiumness?4. Chinese brands fail abroad when they don't understand the nuances of the local markets5. Peaceful Coexistence of China & the rest of the world: Business that helps people more productive is more apolitical6. What are the consistent communications mistakes of China's going abroad?7. Where can China & US find common ground? Healthcare, Climate & Sports?8. We couldn't resist asking Scott about Eileen Gu9. Scott's career advice for those interested in getting into the Chinese PR business10. Scott's advice to his 25-year-old self.11. A/B Test: Orange (not Red), David Ogilvy, Sir Martin & Mark ReadAbout Scott Kronick:Monday Morning Mojo: https://scottkronick.com/Scott's Book, "The Lighter Side of China": https://www.amazon.com/Lighter-Side-China-Scott-Kronick/dp/0992762502Scott on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottkronick/For everything ShanghaiZhan: http://zhanstation.com/Donate & become a ShanghaiZhan Patron: https://www.patreon.com/shanghaizhanShanghaiZhan Theme Music: by Bryce Whitwamhttps://soundcloud.com/bryce-r-whitwam/bad-cough-syrup?si=cfb30a6e0c0e459da78b912bf60825acBryce on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brycewhitwam/Ali on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alikazmi/

Jul 8, 2022 • 48min
Making Documentaries in China: Oscar Winner, Malcolm Clarke + Producer, Han Yi
We are talking about making documentary films in China with 2-time Oscar-winning, 4-time nominated Academy Award documentary film director, Malcolm Clarke. We are also joined by Han Yi, a Golden Horse-winning producer of documentary films. Malcolm is originally from the UK while Yi is from Chengdu, but both are currently living in Shanghai.Malcolm and Yi reside at Artefact Entertainment, and have collaborated on a number of recent films, including "Better Angels"; a mini-series, "A Long Cherished Dream", and most recently, the controversial, "Hong Kong Returns". Malcolm & Yi share both the joys and challenges of making documentaries in China, a genre growing more popular with the popularity of digital media.1. How did you get into documentaries and how did you meet Malcolm?2. "Better Angels" - the 2-month project that ended taking 6 years.3. Successful documentaries are all about achieving the right timing4. Making documentaries are way more difficult to make than fiction films5. Documentaries are on the rise in China because they are now accepted by moviegoers6. Moving beyond the movie theatre success matrix for documentaries in a world of digital7. About "A Long Cherished Dream": stories about Chinese emerging from poverty8. We don't make propaganda films9. "Hong Kong Returns": 10 short films & why they did them10. Short format films provide the right format and arena to convey documentaries11. Future projects in the pipeline: "Drive Like a Girl" & the life and times of eccentric scientist, Joseph Needham12. A/B Test: No spicy food, NYU, & Jack AssYi and Malcolm's links:Movies:Better Angels Promohttps://vimeo.com/277437711/3685c41e31In My Eyes Trailerhttps://vimeo.com/275186570/9b148a3169China Heavyweight Trailerhttps://vimeo.com/277397999/dc2cd75f89Hong Kong Returns (new episode released weekly)https://vimeo.com/user45552070Company:Artefact Entertainment:http://www.artefactentertainment.com/About Malcolm Clarke:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Clarke_(filmmaker)For everything ShanghaiZhan: http://zhanstation.com/Donate & become a ShanghaiZhan Patron: https://www.patreon.com/shanghaizhanShanghaiZhan Theme Music: by Bryce Whitwamhttps://soundcloud.com/bryce-r-whitwam/bad-cough-syrup?si=cfb30a6e0c0e459da78b912bf60825acBryce on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brycewhitwam/Ali on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alikazmi/

Jun 24, 2022 • 30min
The Next Generation of China Advertising: Super KOL, Mia Liu
Our 20th Episode! Today we meet Mia Liu, she's a famous influencer and fashion blogger, or, as they say in China, Key Opinion Leader (KOL). With over 3 million fans on Weibo, Mia creates engaging content for big global brands including, Tom Ford, Louis Vuitton, Jimmy Choo, and L'Oreal. Armed with a Master's in Marketing, Mia represents the new face of China advertising..1. Why on earth would you want to be a Chinese KOL? For Mia, it was being a fashion editor2. What’s Mia’s typical day look like? How does she get clients?3. Is being a KOL a stressful life or is it truly a glamorous job?4. What’s the difference between an MCN, KOL and KOC?5. How does a KOL in China make money?6. Is China moving more towards performance KOLs or brand KOL?7. How do KOLs get discovered by the brands?8. Mia’s favorite brand collaborations: WeWork and Durex9. Not all KOLs livestream. Brands need both bloggers and sales10. Mia’s magic?: be true to yourself and don’t forget the “opinion” in KOL11. Mia’s next 5 years: be a KOL for life!12. A/B Test: Kylie Jenner + Pink + Weibo + 兰州牛肉面Mia Liu's LinksWeibo @大mia的时尚账号 https://weibo.com/u/5837677943WeChat Official Account @@大mia的时尚账号https://mp.weixin.qq.com/mp/profile_ext?action=home&__biz=MzU3MDk2MjU3NQ==#wechat_redirectMia Liu on RED @MialiuuuuuMia Liu on Instagram @mialllllingMia's story for Durex: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/No__SjTCZky4wk6eaUysqQFor everything ShanghaiZhan: http://zhanstation.com/Donate & become a ShanghaiZhan Patron: https://www.patreon.com/shanghaizhanShanghaiZhan Theme Music: by Bryce Whitwamhttps://soundcloud.com/bryce-r-whitwam/bad-cough-syrup?si=cfb30a6e0c0e459da78b912bf60825acBryce on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brycewhitwam/Ali on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alikazmi/


