Mormon Discussion Podcast

WARNING: We will be dealing with the sensitive topic of Self Harm. If you have self harm ideation and are triggered by discussion around such, please skip this episode in lieu of another. In Tonight’s Episode Bill Reel and RFM will take a deep historical dive into the topic of Suicide within Mormon Theology and take a look at how the LDS Church has approached this issue giving historical context. What we learn is that LDS Leaders and Mormon Doctrine have had some ups and downs dealing with approaching such in a healthy way with healthy attitudes. Like everything else in Mormonism, this issue too is messy. RESOURCES: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/liahona/1988/03/suicide-some-things-we-know-and-some-we-do-not?lang=eng https://www.deseret.com/2018/7/2/20648210/lds-apostle-totally-false-that-suicide-leads-to-permanent-hell https://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Suicide https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/suicide?lang=eng https://www.heraldextra.com/news/2015/sep/20/church-teachings-on-suicide-have-changed-through-the-years/ https://kutv.com/news/local/lds-apostle-speaks-about-church-responsibility-in-mormon-lgbt-suicides-for-first-time https://www.mrm.org/suicide-and-mormonism https://www.pewforum.org/2013/11/21/religious-groups-views-on-end-of-life-issues/ https://deseretbook.com/p/suicide-some-things-we-know-do-not-m-russell-ballard-437?variant_id=112173-paperback http://mormonscholar.org/an-old-sectarian-notion-lds-teachings-on-suicide-sin-and-damnation/ https://mormonleaks.io/wiki/documents/6/6b/1958-Mormon_Doctrine-Bruce_R_McConkie.pdf (Agency & Suicides) https://lds365.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Preventing-Suicide-Responding-After-Loss-LDS.pdf https://childfriendlyfaith.org/2019/06/the-homophobic-teachings-of-the-mormon-church-killed-my-son/ https://www.dropbox.com/s/24uta1hgckvtzk0/MStar_19213.pdf?dl=0 (Millenial Star) https://archive.org/details/juvenileinstructor1993/page/352/mode/2up?view=theater&q=juvenile+instructor https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2021/10/13/22672169/are-latter-day-saint-lgbtq-youths-less-suicidal-a-new-study-asks-the-question-mormon https://dsamh.utah.gov/pdf/sharp/2019/State%20of%20Utah%20Report.pdf https://discussmormonism.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=154136&start=10 https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org National Suicide Prevention Lifeline We can all help prevent suicide. The Lifeline provides 24/7, free and confidential support for people in distress, prevention and crisis resources for you or your loved ones, and best practices for professionals. 1-800-273-8255 Tonight’s Episode will be dealing with the sensitive topic of suicide. If this topic might be triggering or such ideation is present. Please skip this episode and return back for next week’s. While we have consulted best practices National Suicide Prevention Lifeline We can all help prevent suicide. The Lifeline provides 24/7, free and confidential support for people in distress, prevention and crisis resources for you or your loved ones, and best practices for professionals. 1-800-273-8255   https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/talk-to-someone-now/ The post Mormonism LIVE: 046: Suicide Within Mormon History & Theology appeared first on Mormon Discussion by Bill Reel.

Radio Free Mormon takes Bill Reel and the rest of us through Shakespeare’s Macbeth in order to connect some dot in Mormonism on two issues. The First is the Apologetic response that if the critic can’t explain how something is done then it must be a miracle and second how Church Leaders always seem ambiguous on the issue of having seen Christ. RESOURCES: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1971/04/the-spirit-beareth-record?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2014/04/the-witness?lang=eng https://youtu.be/g0js6xWv6bc?t=3453 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAt4Od0teNg&t=545s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrMJ2YZD62M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xRO4nPbrxk The post Mormonism LIVE: 045: Mormonism and Macbeth appeared first on Mormon Discussion by Bill Reel.

Today we take a look at the Logical Fallacy of the Straw Man argument and juxtapose it against what it means to Steel Man someone. A Straw Man argument is when you misrepresent someone’s argument to make it easier to attack. We define a Straw Man argument, share an example, discuss how to incorporate good faith in a disagreement by instead choosing to Steel Man the disagreement, and then show how Mormonism holds up to the actual argument being made when that argument is represented fairly. RESOURCES:   https://youtu.be/zYVBA8n9-pU?t=25 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2016/08/post-nuanced-view-church-gods-plan/ https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2016/10/premium-holy-ghost-conundrum/ https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/broadcasts/face-to-face/oaks-ballard?cid=HP_SU_19-11-2017_dPFD_fBCAST_xLIDyL1-B_&lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/church/news/apostles-answer-questions-about-standards-doubts-during-ysa-face-to-face?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2004/10/be-not-deceived?lang=eng   https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/doctrine-and-covenants-student-manual-2017/chapter-19-doctrine-and-covenants-50?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/preach-my-gospel-a-guide-to-missionary-service/how-do-i-recognize-and-understand-the-spirit?lang=eng https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/good-news-from-god/recognize-true-worshippers/ https://www.learnreligions.com/how-to-find-a-church-700487 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycUvC9s4VYA https://youtu.be/lwkh_aliF3E   https://youtu.be/UJMSU8Qj6Go   https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2002/10/the-marvelous-foundation-of-our-faith?lang=eng https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2019/07/12/commentary-latter-day/   https://emp.byui.edu/SATTERFIELDB/Talks/Feb%2015%2019798%20First%20Presidency%20Gods%20Love%20for%20all%20mankind.html https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2017/12/premium-lucy-walker-spiritual-experiences/ The post Mormonism LIVE: 044: Straw Man vs Steel Man: A Lesson In Rational Thinking appeared first on Mormon Discussion by Bill Reel.

operandi is at work today inside Modern Mormonism through the SCMC, and other people and processes that work to ensure that believing members are kept at arms length from people, voices, and information that is both accurate and contradictory to the inaccurate but faithful dominant narrative. RESOURCES: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danite https://benjaminepark.com/ https://journal.interpreterfoundation.org/sensationalism-a-one-sided-perspective/ https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/09/10/jana-riess-why-did-byu/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210120130850/https:/mi.byu.edu/scholars/benjamin-park/ https://mi.byu.edu/scholars/benjamin-park/ The post Mormonism LIVE: 043: Modern Day Mormon Danites appeared first on Mormon Discussion by Bill Reel.

In 1886 LDS Prophet and Church President John Taylor documented a Revelation whereby Jesus Christ himself informed Taylor that Polygamy (The New and Everlasting Covenant) can and will NEVER be done away. Only to have the Church later disavow and distance themselves from Polygamy. On this Episode Bill Reel and RFM will help us understand the context of the 1886 Revelation/Vision, How the Church avoided dealing with Taylor’s Documented Revelation, How Apologists deal with it today, and lastly what it demonstrates about the integrity and honesty of the Church and its leaders around this event. RESOURCES: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1886_Revelation https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/09/John-W.-Taylor-Trial.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1886_Revelation#/media/File:1886_Revelation.jpg https://rsc.byu.edu/champion-liberty-john-taylor/john-revelator-written-revelations-john-taylor (Notice which is missing) https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Mormonism_and_polygamy/John_Taylor https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2016/03/202-replay-life-trial-john-w-taylor/ https://www.mormonwiki.com/John_W._Taylor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_W._Taylor_(Mormon) http://www.gapages.com/taylojw1.htm https://bycommonconsent.com/2010/03/13/correlation-an-uncorrelated-history-part-4-john-w-taylor-excommunicated/ https://mormonpolygamydocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/1886-Revelation-article.pdf https://www.scribd.com/document/23201016/1886-Priesthood-Succesion https://gospeltangents.com/2020/04/taylors-1886-revelation/ https://rsc.byu.edu/champion-liberty-john-taylor/john-revelator-written-revelations-john-taylor#_edn88 Mismanaging God – Book The post Mormonism LIVE: 042: Revelation, Excommunications, Lies & Obfuscations: The 1886 John Taylor Divination appeared first on Mormon Discussion by Bill Reel.

Mormonism LIVE!: 041: Solving the LDS Church Homosexuality Issue Elder Holland recently explained ““I and many of my Brethren have spent more time and shed more tears on this subject than we could ever adequately convey to you this morning, or any morning. We have spent hours discussing what the doctrine of the Church can and cannot provide the individuals and families struggling over this difficult issue. So, it is with scar tissue of our own that we are trying to avoid — and hope all will try to avoid — language, symbols and situations that are more divisive than unifying at the very time we want to show love for all of God’s children.” In spite of being Prophets, Seers, and Revelators; He seemingly also is acknowledging that Jesus isn’t coming into the room and they are trying to figure it out without him. So Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel decide to be of assistance and offer solutions to the problem they are struggling to get an answer for. So on this episode, we will give these 15 men the theological and historical and doctrinal space to resolve this issue once and for all. RESOURCES: https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/elder-jeffrey-r-holland-2021-byu-university-conference https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/kingdoms-of-glory?lang=eng https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2019/10/17oaks?lang=eng https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2019/10/17oaks?lang=eng https://radiofreemormon.org/2017/03/extra-radio-free-mormon-amazing-contradicting-joseph-smith/ https://radiofreemormon.org/2017/12/radio-free-mormon-022-ghost-homophobias-past/ The post Mormonism LIVE!: 041: Solving the LDS Church Homosexuality Issue appeared first on Mormon Discussion by Bill Reel.

Since its inception in 1830 LDS Leaders have been consistent at one thing. While lip service is given to being a Church that has Prophets, Seers, and Revelators who claim to speak for God and give direction from on high, these men seem to always be behind the times, stating outdated false misconceptions and teaching false and at times harmful rhetoric. No where can this be more easily recognized than on the LGBT issue. But….. sadly It doesn’t stop there. RESOURCES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg36L1989Ss&ab_channel=BYUSpeeches https://www.dropbox.com/s/ay5dk9mky0p0sm7/OnTheRecord7-27.pdf?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/y9z40tx8wd9rt9m/homosexuality.pdf?dl=0 https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/interview-oaks-wickman-same-gender-attraction https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/same-sex-attraction?lang=eng https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/explaining-religious-freedom-and-lgbt-rights The post Mormonism LIVE! 040: Symphony Of LGBT Mis-Direction & Mr. Holland Dopus appeared first on Mormon Discussion by Bill Reel.

In this weeks episode of Mormonism LIVE, RFM and Bill Reel delve into some debauchery among past Mission Presidents. What they find is a common theme creating a pattern of bad behavior learning once again that unethical behavior can be made righteous within Mormonism. RESOURCES: https://byteline.blogspot.com/2007/09/sects-and-violence-part-5-continued.html https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V21N03_29.pdf https://www.exmormon.org/d6/drupal/France-and-Polygamous-Mormon-Missionaries https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/8fbs7u/1980s_australia_sydney_mission_prez_was_aspiring/ https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/dr-dave-christian-on-epistemology-and-the-polygamous-mission-president/ https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/deseretnews/name/orson-wright-obituary?pid=186032306 https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/8f98mh/philander_knox_smartt_the_excommunicated_puerto/ https://voices.uchicago.edu/religionculture/2018/05/20/1522/ https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/04/26/the-case-of-puerto-rico-when-the-mormon-church-promptly-removed-a-mission-president-who-deceived-and-victimized-young-female-missionaries/ https://universe.byu.edu/2018/04/27/mormon-church-kicks-out-man-who-supervised-young-women/ The post Mormonism LIVE: 039: When Mission Presidents Behave Badly appeared first on Mormon Discussion by Bill Reel.

In Mormonism the very elite of membership including Stake Presidents, Mission Presidents, along with Seventies and the top 15 along with all their wives receive a secret ritual that confers to them that their “Calling and Election” has been made sure. What is this ritual? What do we know about it? How has the church framed it in their theology? and why do only a select few receive it? This and more on this week’s episode. RESOURCES:   https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V16N01_12.pdf https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmyldshistory.blogspot.com%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0YbteylqfjyBp3P_E8vU6c3WdGzGrCsOldzbCteN1jHdANClh8-TNfGPQ&h=AT0n2SeXpCqsisJ4BybEBV99LV5oOGWdD4p1HtYeYqON6tSYCRjkkxg7aHU-9f2gtlBVUUcy0PkhgbhWw6H5-T9wuBaTiuWCo1PeaxDh-KypeEmBY6CoYcW_Kl-seflSHqc   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_anointing   https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/doctrines-of-the-gospel/chapter-19?lang=eng Do not attempt in any way to discuss or answer questions about the second anointing.   www.mormonstories.org/podcast/tom-phillips-and-the-second-anointing/   http://www.mormonthink.com/glossary/secondendowment.htm   https://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon508.htm   http://archives.lib.byu.edu/repositories/14/archival_objects/255732   http://academickids.com/encyclopedia/index.php/Second_Anointing   http://www.fact-index.com/s/se/second_anointing.html https://www.lds-mormon.com/2danointing-shtml/   https://blog.mrm.org/2013/01/the-second-anointing-of-modern-day-mormonism/ https://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Calling_and_Election https://www.jstor.org/stable/44368772 The post Mormonism LIVE: 038: The Second Anointing appeared first on Mormon Discussion by Bill Reel.

Today Bill and RFM will look into events that the Church and/or its Leaders were involved in that seem to have the “appearance of Evil”. From Elder Ballard’s time selling cars to buying Valley Music Hall to becoming an Apostle of the Lord, to what appeared to be a Hostile Takeover by Quentin Cook of a Hospital in California, to what appears to be A giant favor done by Kirton and McConkie towards Thomas Monson and his family. We may touch on a few others as well….. you never know !!! All of these stories involve allegations and viewers and listeners should make up their own mind as to what the data seems to imply. We also welcome the individuals involved as well as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to contribute to a more informed story RESOURCES FOR BALLARD SECTION en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Russell_Ballard wheatandtares.org/2016/08/22/dunn-and-other-bad-business-deals/ www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1986/03/elder-m-russell-ballard-true-to-the-faith?lang=eng historyofmormonism.com/2008/07/08/m_russell_ballard/ familypedia.wikia.org/wiki/Melvin_Russell_Ballard_(1928) churchofjesuschrist.org/learn/m-russell-ballard?lang=eng RESOURCES FOR COOK SECTION caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1464984.html dropbox.com/s/c8n69kc96rx32th/new-l-d-s-apostle-quentin-l2026.pdf?dl=0 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_L._Cook exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1503537 exploringmormonism.com/quenton-l-cook-and-fraud/ mormoncurtain.infymus.com/topic_quentinlcook.html albionmonitor.com/community/ch-marin.html sfweekly.com/news/sutters-empire-strikes-back/ RESOURCES FOR MONSON JR SECTION groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.mormon/c/6quMKuVd8RY?hl=ja&pli=1#0910f00c9d7d7efb lawyers.findlaw.com/profile/view/1825333_1 www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/8akrof/thomas_l_monson_sexual_harassment_coverup/ www.zoominfo.com/p/Thomas-Monson/52373910 The post Mormonism LIVE: 036: Hostile Takeovers, Bailouts, & Other Backroom Deals appeared first on Mormon Discussion by Bill Reel.