Love in Action

Robb Holman is back to co-host alongside Marcel Schwantes as they go through the rarely discussed business topic of grief. Grief has a big effect on employees at work, and Robb gives helpful tips on how organizations can be more helpful during this time. "The true cost of grief in the workplace is often underestimated." [4:55] Robb walks through what The Recovery Village has to say about grieving at work. Employees need to schedule support and flexibility around grief, but many workplaces fail to address these needs openly. Daily stress levels of grieving employees can lead to poor decision-making and increased risk for things like addiction and injury. "In order for people to be productive, we’ve got to nurture the heart." [8:53] Robb and Marcel discuss a real-life example of how grief affected a manager at work and the importance of bereavement leave policies. Grieving people need the time and space to get well. In a healthy workplace, people huddle around and support those in need.  "If we want to be resilient, grieving is a topic of conversation that needs to be infused into that. If we don’t, if we just continue in the name of resilience, we will run dry." [12:02] Robb discusses the importance of leaders being in touch with their own grief and mental health. When leaders have a handle on what’s going on in their personal lives, they can show up better and provide more support for their staff.  "I think everyone grieves differently." [13:29]   Robb highlights four unique ways people react to and deal with grief in their lives. For some, it is a very physical process. Others prefer talking to a friend or a professional or grieving through prayer and meditation. Marcel touches on the importance of finding a supportive community. "The biggest resource I can offer somebody right now... is to find a support community." [14:34]  Marcel talks about what someone can find by coming to an environment where there are people to support them and love on them through the grieving process. "If we want to make sure to greatly serve, encourage, and support those on our team and in our lives, it starts with each one of us." [16:42]  It’s important to be aware of the different types of grieving, some of which are more subtle. Grieving doesn’t always mean someone died. Layoffs and job losses can be a tragic event to process, especially if you’re the primary earner in the family. Other tragic non-death events include divorce, moving to a new location, and drastic workplace changes. "The most aspirational aspect of leadership is to look at the whole person and not just as an employee." [21:34] Marcel talks about how a leader shouldn’t look at employees as an 8 am–5 pm transaction. If things aren’t going well at home, chances are it’s going to disrupt them in the workplace. Taking the time to find out what’s going on in their employees’ lives helps leaders be better sources of support. "Remain committed with your team members, with your people, to engage in an ongoing process of how they’re feeling throughout the change." [25:24]  Robb answers the mailbag segment about how to support employees through a merger or an acquisition. A willingness to be honest with emotions allows leaders to enter into a shared space with their team, which helps them feel less alone. Marcel touches on how leaders sometimes lose their identity and the importance of coming back to shared values.  Mentioned In This Episode: Robb Holman The Recovery Village article on Grief Marcel Schwantes Send Marcel a text message!

Thousands of the world’s leading brands and retailers trust Bazaarvoice technology, services, and expertise to drive revenue, extend reach, gain actionable insights, and create loyal advocates. Visit bazaarvoice.com to learn more about how they can help your brand with user-generated content solutions, sampling campaigns, social media commerce and publishing, and more. Show-Notes: “We had to talk about mental, physical, and emotional health. It wasn’t easy at first, but it was so worth it.” [12:45] Keith Nealon talks about how he, as the CEO of Bazaarvoice, acknowledged mental health challenges. He focused on vulnerability and different employee situations to make sure no employee felt alone. “We’ve had a lot of discussions on finding those things that fill your cup or fill your soul, not simply occupying the mind.” [18:25] Creating outlets, supplying mental health support services, and clearly defining priorities are some of the ways, among many others, that Bazaarvoice is using to support their employees against burnout. “You have to normalize this issue of mental health and well-being, and bring it into every conversation.” [30:14] This important idea cannot come out of nowhere; it needs to be intentional and talked about. Keith shares how he related and shared his personal experiences and toolbox with his staff. The offering of helpful apps, services, and policies like “no meeting therapy” helps normalize this initiative. “If folks see the CEO is human and not superhuman, there is less fear about admitting the issues.” [32:40] Keith is setting an example as a CEO of his humanness and how it's okay to talk about this topic. It is the leader's responsibility to break the stigma and create an environment where employees feel safe to open up. “There is culture, and then there is connection.” [35:34] How do you keep up with company culture when everyone is spread out and working remotely? Keith names many ways they create connections, including company all-hands meetings, department all-hands meetings, in-office events, fun-focused Slack chats, and an employee-led “culture crew”. All of these feed into the positive human connection and fun environment at Bazaarvoice. “The leadership of the company is a reflection of that love that I want to bring into the organization.” [40:27] From the familiar saying, ‘people leave managers, not jobs’, Keith highlights the importance of choosing caring, empathetic leaders to reach the employees. With over 1300 employees across the globe, Keith can be with everyone, so by making choosing the right leaders a focus in his role, he can greatly impact his staff with love. Mentioned in this episode: Bazaarvoice Bazaarvoice ROI Calculator keith.nealon@bazaarvoice.com Keith Nealon @keithnealon on Twitter Forrester Consulting Study Modern Health Marcel Schwantes Send Marcel a text message!

Show Notes: “You don’t just wake up one day and say hey I’m gonna go rob a bank; there are things that kind of ultimately ease you up to that space.” [18:42] As Fox and Rob tell the story of how they met, their future seemed so bright. When did robbing a bank become a considerable option and what happens to take your mind to go to such an extreme place? Rob explains all of the circumstances and exhausted options that derailed their family plans. “The American Dream Syndrome is a science, it’s the foolish desire to achieve the American Dream by all means necessary.” [22:10] Rob's story is like many others, who are fueled by success with clouded judgment. An explanation for their choice to rob a bank is bound in this definition of what he also calls Urban Survival Syndrome. “Everything that we needed, we already had. We had each other and we had our freedom.” [24:12] Fox shares that it was an immediate realization that they had just destroyed the very thing they had been trying to save. Not days later, or at the trial sentencing, but as soon as she heard the police sirens that day. “This is the 21st century, in the United States of America, and Systemic Racism is still going on.”[33:30] Fox and Rob are college-educated individuals, Rob served in the US Navy, and this crime was his first offense. Yet he was still sentenced to 60 years in prison. The sentencing story is one that will shock and enrage you at the injustices still present.  “To be free is to free others." [54:57] Rich Family Ministries is the social justice ministry that Fox and Rob began after his release, helping others with law education and information that may have found themselves in a similar situation. No one better than this family can prove that time is valuable, and since beginning the ministry they have saved a collective 3300 years of served prison sentences.  “Love conquers all; it is the most divine chemical in the universe.”[58:50] Their new book, Time, is Fox and Rob’s untold story about love and strength. And while this interview might not be like others, the message of love is more powerful than ever.    Mentioned in this episode: FoxandRob Fox and Rob Rich (@foxandrob) on Instagram FoxandRob on Facebook FoxandRob - YouTube Rich Family Ministries Marcel Schwantes Send Marcel a text message!

Show notes: “Beyond the definition, Psychological Safety is a deeply human feeling.” [11:21] Psychological safety is the belief that one will not be punished or humiliated for speaking up with ideas, questions, concerns, or mistakes. Minnette Norman explains what psychological safety is and the immense benefit this environment brings to an organization. “Psychological Safety is not what happens by default.” [13:26] Karolin Helbig explains the two big barriers when it comes to understanding and implementing Psychological Safety. Firstly, we are biologically wired to avoid risk, it’s not easy to speak up. Secondly, the traditional model of leadership; we have been conditioned to view vulnerability as weakness. “Courage, to me, is one of the most fundamental skills that a leader has to have in order to create a psychologically safe environment” [20:40] Marcel speaks on Play #1 from The Psychological Safety Playbook. While any of these plays can be learned and implemented in any order, and you can use them at your will BUT Karolin and Minette chose Communicate Courageously to be first because of the fundamental basis of courage as a leader. “Really truly listening with the intent of understanding the other person is an art” [26:45] How often are you wholeheartedly listening with no distractions? Karolin explains, Play #2: The Art of Listening, and how to practice this muscle of listening and learning to be committed to understanding others, without the need to be right. Closing down external distractions is the first step, but what is more tricky is going internal and clearing the distractions from our minds. “There is a stigma often in business settings to acknowledge that we’re going to fail on the way” [34:10] When it comes to Play #4: Embrace Risk and Failure, Minnete explains that in order to be innovative and be successful, there will be failure. It is crucial that leaders talk about failure openly and not be afraid of it and instead say, what can we learn from it? “Suffering at work…we spend most of our waking hours at work, that means suffering at life” [42:05] Suffering is real on many levels. Creating Psychological Safety in your organization can create more positivity. It is Karolin and Minette’s hope in their contribution with this book to reduce suffering and create value in the lives of leaders and their teams. Mentioned in this episode: The Psychological Safety Playbook Karolin Helbig Karolin Helbig on LinkedIn Minette Norman Minette Norman on LinkedIn Marcel Schwantes Send Marcel a text message!

Show-Notes: “When I think of leadership, I think of a very effective shepherd. A really good shepherd is there to guide, protect, and correct.” [3:00] What does it mean to be a good leader? Robb Holman helps Marcel kick off the episode by discussing the elements of good leadership. "Whatever you can do to remain committed in a place and foster a culture within your team dynamics of getting to know the person before the professional, leads to a more unified team."[11:44] Robb shares his thoughts on the mailbag segment question leading into Marcel's point about healthy working relationships and culture where it's safe to ask for help. “Emotional Intelligence is the ability to accurately perceive, understand, use, and manage our own emotions and those of other people.” [21:58] It’s a buzzword, overused and with some controversy but guest and author Cary Cherniss clears the air with a definition of Emotional Intelligence, as he and Marcel discuss its application in leadership.  “It’s not just being aware of your emotional surroundings…outstanding leaders [monitor the emotional climate] periodically.” [25:10] If a leader is not able to “read the room” and monitor the emotional climate, no intervention can lead to tension and larger problems in the workplace allowing negative emotions or conflict to grow.  “Enthusiasm is probably the most important [feeling that leaders should be showing more of].” [33:51] What does Enthusiasm really mean? A genuine expression of enthusiasm as a leader is not only about showing your excitement but your authentic positive mindset and optimism. Regardless of your personality type whether introvert or extrovert you can express enthusiasm in your own way to impact the people around you. “Keep in mind that the people who are looking up to you are going to imitate how you’re feeling.” [39:45] For leaders who are experiencing a difficult time like extensive layoffs, your remaining staff will feed off of your emotions. Cary shares a story from the book about how one leader gave space for herself and her team to discuss their feelings about a big layoff and then influenced a positive shift by looking to the future with a discussion on what was next for the company.   Mentioned in this episode: Leading with Feeling - Cary Cherniss; Cornelia Roche - Oxford University Press Cary Cherniss | GSAPP Robb Holman    Marcel Schwantes Send Marcel a text message!

Show Notes: “There is a natural tension between serving people and doing everything needed to get them engaged and the reality of the results and mission of the organization.” [8:19] What does the subtitle ‘Beyond Servant Leadership’ from Bob DeKoch and Phil Clampitt’s book mean? Bob describes “beyond” as bringing that tension together, where motivating and serving meet.  “We propose the side of caring that we call, deep caring.” [9:42] There are varying levels of caring and Bob briefly explains the discussion of these levels in the book as shallow vs deep caring. Shallow caring places focus on the short term like perks with birthday celebrations, or pool tables in the break room. Deep caring lives in the long term with more focus on goals, development, and self-actualization. Deep caring is less about appeasement and more about growth.  “We have to have a respect for continuous learning not only through on-the-job experience but through coursework, seminars, working in organizations, and other methods.” [14:25] Marcel comments on the value of lifelong learning Bob and Phil highlight in the book. Bob explains it as a need for the best of the best and they can only be a lifelong learner. Leaders cannot be stuck in their ways; they have to have the willingness to grow leadership skills. And when you don’t your people feel that lack of commitment. “The kind of kindness that’s important has an empathetic factor, a listening factor, and an understanding factor. That’s necessary to engage people but it’s not an indication you’re soft.” [19:03] Too often people think kindness is soft or weak, but Bob gives examples of the impact of kindness in the workplace. The communication in making choices and decisions in an organization is a big part of that kindness and a benefit as well. “It takes self-reflection and honesty with yourself about how you’re coming across.” [20:43] When you become a leader you don’t check your humanity at the door. Through coaching, reflection, and self-awareness, leaders can change their behavior to become kinder if they understand what they’re doing and how it's affecting their organization. At times leadership feels like a race to check off the boxes, but it’s important to slow down and reflect on how you’re doing that.  “The command style might be necessary sometimes but in a caring environment…not often” [24:16] Caring leaders coach not command, is one of the 9 principles from the book, Leading with Care in a Tough World. Bob explains that subtle coaching happens every day by listening and having conversations work out a path. Caring and coaching are about making suggestions, helping overcome barriers, creating action plans,  and facilitating employees in success. “Leaders have to listen, but they have to accomplish the organizational mission as well.” [28:49] Marcel brings the questions to the current landscape in the workplace with hot-button topics when it comes to political activism. How should leaders respond? Bob says it’s about listening to differing points of view, and finding balance and respect on both sides. But it’s also important to maintain the objective of the organization and where that comes into play with the employees. Mentioned in this episode: Leading with Care in a Tough World Phil Clampitt on LinkedIn Bob DeKoch  on LinkedIn Marcel Schwantes Send Marcel a text message!

Show Notes: “Valuing your people…what exactly does it mean?” [7:16] Valuing your people is more than just a raise or promotion, or mutual respect. Marcel asks Rob what it really means, sparking a discussion that goes deeper than the value of our title but is built on our humanity, relationships, and trust. “How would you rate your self-worth (your value), if you were stripped of everything you know?” [8:25] Rob proposes a hypothetical situation for the listeners in a challenge to rate themselves just as their unique self, the way a young child might. We are much more than our titles, of leader, co-worker, brother, sister, etc. We have a lot of value to give and leaders need to dig deep beyond the surface to value their employees with relationships.  “One of the tenants I see people failing in to truly value people is….they have to listen to them RECEPTIVELY” [11:44] Too often as Marcel reminds us, we speak more than we listen. Rob and Marcel discuss listening receptively as a way to build trust and community with our teams.  “You have to be able to reach out to people and get to know them on a personal level, to build that trust for them to feel valued.” [14:15] It all comes back to relationships, Marcel explains how only when you make the effort to get to know your people can all of the other tenants of leadership come into play. “When you get to where people trust each other in the workplace…it brings people together to do great work.” [15:50] Trust and value go hand in hand. In order to value your people, you have to trust them and they have to trust you. This is the hallmark of Marcel and Rob's conversation: building trust is essential in valuing your people, and there are limitless benefits from this culture in the workplace.  “You don’t want to micromanage but you do want to be present with your people, especially when it counts.” [25:50] To round out the show, Marcel and Rob take a question from the “Mailbag” from Javier, a listener in L.A. who asks how to balance employer autonomy and leadership presence. Marcel and Rob walk this line and talk about what really matters when it comes to being present as a leader.  Mentioned in this episode: Robb Holman Marcel Schwantes Send Marcel a text message!

This episode is brought to you by Businessolver. Since 1998, Businessolver has delivered market-changing benefits technology, and services supported by an intrinsic responsiveness to client needs. The company creates client programs that maximize benefits program investment, minimize risk exposure, and engage employees with easy-to-use solutions and communication tools to assist them in making wise and cost-efficient benefits selections. Founded by HR professionals, Business solver's unwavering service-oriented culture and secure SaaS platform provide measurable success in its mission to provide complete client delight. Clean Up Your Side of the Street When it comes to workplace relationships, Amy shares foundational tips that will apply to working with all of the archetypes. Raise your self-awareness, get the big picture, and ask yourself, “How can I make sure my thoughts, actions, and behaviors are aligned with my values and goals in my relationships” [15:12] Be cognizant of how you can be inviting or triggering behavior of the “difficult people” you may face at work. The Archetypes In this episode, Amy and Marcel cover three archetypes: The Passive Aggressive Peer When working with a co-worker demonstrating passive-aggressive behavior, consider “What is the underlying message?”. [21:36] Oftentimes passive aggressive behaviors come from a place of fear, insecurity, or desire to avoid conflict. Frame conversations and interactions in a way that may open up their true thoughts or message and invite a safe place. The Pessimist Working with a pessimist co-worker can create a negative fog in the workplace. It’s important to validate their feelings, find a place for their “risk assessment”, and especially set forth a practice that invites positivity and support. “If you set boundaries against extreme pessimists, that dark cloud over their head might change.” [30:35] They might not become ultra-positive with these practices but their self-awareness might rise and they can heavily affect future interactions and the environment. The Know-it-all When it comes to the American workplace, “we tend to value confidence over competence”. [35:00] This is how incompetent, narcissistic individuals often come into leadership positions. Hold your ground and pocket some phrases to protect your voice and knowledge when it comes to meetings. Invite in peer support if your own voice isn’t doing the trick. Protect Yourself “Sometimes we put in our best effort, and the behavior just doesn’t change, then it’s a matter of protecting yourself.” [41:27] Amy has some great tips for keeping yourself and your position safe: Document everything so that should you need to escalate the situation you have the details. Don’t dwell, make sure these difficult people aren’t all you’re thinking about. Limit interactions, you don’t have to spend too much work time with these people outside of direct work. Keep some phrases handy so you can keep the conversations moving peacefully. Mentioned in this episode: Women at Work Amy E. Gallo Getting Along: How to Work with Anyone (Even Difficult People) Amy Gallo @amyegallo on Twitter Amy Gallo on LinkedIn Amy Gallo (@amyegallo) on Instagram Send Marcel a text message!

Lisa Anna Palmer is an author, speaker, and leadership coach. She is the author of "Light a Fire in Their Hearts: How to Inspire and Lead Teams to Phenomenal Success." With over 20 years of experience in leadership, Palmer helps organizations and individuals improve their leadership skills and achieve their goals. Through her writing and speaking, she emphasizes the importance of servant leadership and inspiring and empowering teams. Show-Notes: The Effects of Poor Leadership on Health “Let’s look at each other as human beings, let’s connect at that level” [10:00] Lisa Anna Palmer talks about the ability to unleash potential when we treat our employees with respect and dignity. It’s better for everyone, even ourselves as leaders. But what happens when we don’t? Marcel and Lisa connect on their major health scares that brought them to servant leadership practice and they discuss staggering risks associated with poor leadership like increased risks in cardiovascular health. Once a Bad leader, Always a Bad Leader? “Leadership is hard, it's a higher aspiration role to take on” [18:22] Marcel positions that leadership isn't for everyone, especially those with no desire to grow and change. As Lisa breaks it down with the age-old saying, when there’s a will there's a way. When leaders put conscious thought into their leadership and are open to change, accepting feedback and seeing it as an opportunity for growth, they can begin to positively affect the lives of their staff. Misconceptions of Servant Leadership “Servant leadership is about being the best version of yourself and to be of service to others” [22:39] To be a servant leader is not a martyr, Lisa explains what servant leadership is and how really loving yourself and being your best self and then turning that same love and acceptance outward can be the best example. Marcel and Lisa discuss some common misconceptions of servant leadership, like being completely selfless, only considering others' needs, and abandoning your needs and wants. These are not a part of servant leadership at all! Is Servant Leadership Still Relevant? Marcel claims some are reporting the ‘death’ of servant leadership as Gen Z moves into new positions and remote working becomes more prevalent. But Lisa explains just why Servant Leadership is here to stay, “The element of treating people like human beings is going to stay forever” [32:24]. Going virtual is not an excuse, because even digital tone and connection are important. There are ways to make an impact and embrace Servant Leadership in this new context. Mentioned in this episode: Light Your Leadership Inc. Light a Fire in Their Hearts: The Truth About Leadership: Palmer, Lisa Anna Lisa Anna Palmer on LinkedIn Send Marcel a text message!

This episode is brought to you by Businessolver. Since 1998, Businessolver has delivered market-changing benefits technology and services supported by an intrinsic responsiveness to client needs. The company creates client programs that maximize benefits program investment, minimize risk exposure, and engage employees with easy-to-use solutions and communication tools to assist them in making wise and cost-efficient benefits selections. Founded by HR professionals, Businessolver's unwavering service-oriented culture and secure SaaS platform provide measurable success in its mission to provide complete client delight. Show-Notes: Leaders, the “Coach” in Business “Empathy is about understanding people and where they need to be met” [5:04] Rae Shanahan, CSO of Businessolver, opens the interview with Marcel sharing a great analogy of leadership and coaching. Coaches don’t practice with the team and leave them during the game when it really counts, and neither do good empathic leaders. They are there with support, understanding, and motivation through every step of the way. Chief Empathy Officer “Every layer within the organization needs to focus on empathy” [18:32] Empathy is important at every level, including at the top with our CEOs. Rae explains the traditional saying of treating others how you want to be treated and instead looking at it through the lens of everyone's unique situations. Empathy and Psychological Safety “You cannot have a fear-based environment and foster empathy and the heart of leadership” [22:58] “Blue Sparkle” is an initiative that Rae began 10 years ago at Businessolver, where employees share positivity from work or their personal life each day. Marcel connects this to Amy Edmondson’s work in psychological safety, and how it is truly needed for effective empathy. Financial Impact of Empathy “Grow our business, delight our clients” [31:50] This statement is part of the mission at Businessolver. Rae explains how this simply can’t be possible without the culture they’ve created with their employees. When employees feel delighted and supported at work they will do the same for the clients and in turn, grow the business. Marcel reminds listeners, this isn’t just empathy for empathy's sake, it’s the right thing to do and has an important impact on your business. Mentioned in this episode: Businessolver Workplace Empathy | Businessolver Rae Shanahan - Chief Strategy Officer - Businessolver on LinkedIn rshanahan@businessolver.com  Send Marcel a text message!