

TOPcast: The Teaching Online Podcast
Thomas Cavanagh & Kelvin Thompson
Hosted by Thomas Cavanagh and Kelvin Thompson, the Teaching Online Podcast (TOPcast) takes a fun and informative look at the various trends, best practices and technologies in the realm of online education.
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Jan 16, 2023 • 32min
Episode 130: Data, DETA, Design, and More
About Episode 130:
Guest Dr. Tanya Joosten joins hosts Tom and Kelvin to discuss findings from eight years of research data collected at the National Research Center for Distance Education and Technological Advancement (DETA).
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Episode 130 Show Notes:
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Coffee Links
Single Origin Honduras La Esmeralda La Sampedrana from Yes Plz Coffee
About Yes Plz Coffee (Los Angeles, CA)
Content Links
Dr. Tanya Joosten’s Online Profile
National Research Center for Distance Education and Technological Advancement (“DETA Center”)
Infographic: “Online Course Quality Indicators” (DETA Center)
Research Study: “A Cross-Institutional Study of Instructional Characteristics and Student Outcomes: Are Quality Indicators of Online Courses Able to Predict Student Success?” (Joosten & Cusatis)
Research Review: “Educational Technologies and Their Impact on Student Success for Racial and Ethnic Groups of Interest” (Joosten et al.)
Book: “Social Media for Educators: Strategies and Best Practices” (Joosten)
TOPcast Episode #15: “It’s More About the Social than the Media”
TOPcast Episode #122: “More Equitable Outcomes Through Instructional Design”
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Jan 2, 2023 • 27min
Episode 129: Education Deserts and Online Strategy
About Episode 129:
In this episode, hosts Kelvin and Tom discuss the concept of “education deserts” and how a strategic approach to online education can increase educational access in these under-resourced geographic areas.
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Episode 129 Show Notes:
Left to right: Kelvin, Producer Tim, and Tom in the physical studio.
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Coffee Links
Dual Axes (Blend) Coffee from Honest Coffee Roasters in Huntsville, AL
About Honest Coffee Roasters (Huntsville, AL)
Content Links
“Place Matters: A Closer Look at Education Deserts” (Hillman, 2019)
Free Reverse Geocoding Site “Geoapify” (for use with data in Hillman article)
In The Chronicle of Higher Education: “Who Lives in Education Deserts? More People Than You Might Think”
In The Atlantic: “The Education Deserts of Rural America” (Harris, 2019)
From Wiley University Services: “Education Deserts in the US: How Online Education Can Close the Gap”
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Dec 19, 2022 • 27min
Episode 128: Strategic Imperatives from 1EdTech
About Episode 128:
In this episode, 1EdTech CEO Dr. Rob Abel joins hosts Kelvin and Tom as a guest to discuss the history and role in the online education community of the professional association formerly known as the IMS Global Learning Consortium.
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Episode 128 Show Notes:
Dr. Rob Abel1EdTech CEO
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Coffee Links
Single-Origin Pantan Musara Sumatra from JBC Coffee Roasters (Madison, WI)
About JBC Coffee Roasters
Content Links
Dr. Rob Abel’s Online Profile
From 1EdTech: “Accelerating Four Educational Leadership Imperatives for Our Times”
From 1EdTech: “Learning Impact Report 2022: Mapping Digital Transformation”
EDUCAUSE Learning Initiative (ELI)
From EDUCAUSE: “Next Generation Digital Learning Environment (NGDLE)”
UCF-1EdTech LTI Center of Excellence
TOPcast Episode #12: “The LMS: Past, Present, and Future”
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Dec 5, 2022 • 28min
Episode 127: Community Wisdom: Students, Hybridity, and More!
About Episode 127:
In this “call-in show” episode, hosts Tom and Kelvin are joined by multiple voices from the online education community to distill wisdom in making sense of 2022 and preparing to make the most of 2023 in our collective work. Themes include centering on student needs and supporting increased hybridity.
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From left to right: Dr. Thomas Cavanagh, Dr. Kelvin Thompson, Luis Alvarado and Joseph Riquelme
From left to right: Dr. Jason Johnston, Dr. Liz Ciabocchi, Dr. Kelvin Thompson and Dr. Mary Niemiec.
Episode 127 Show Notes:
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Coffee Links
“House Blend” from Riverwalk Coffee Roasters, Oswego, NY
About Riverwalk Coffee Roasters
Content Links
Tea for Teaching Podcast hosted by John Kane and Rebecca Mushtare
TOPcast Episode #123: “Hybridity Predicted and More from CHLOE 7”
Virtual Student Union at Northern Virginia Community College (NOVA)
Immersive “Global Experience” from Minerva University
Teaching in Higher Ed Podcast hosted by Dr. Bonni Stachowiak
Featuring Call-In Guests
Dr. Nicole Johnson
TOPcast #124: “Reliable ‘Buckets:’ Toward Modality Clarity”
Dr. Stephen C. Ehrmann
TOPcast #116: “3Fold Gains and the Improvement of Higher Ed”
Dr. Susan Wegmann
TOPcast #55: “A Journey from Faculty Member to Digital Learning Leader”
TOPcast #79: “The 2020 TOPcast & Friends Holiday Special”
Katrina Wehr
TOPcast #122: “More Equitable Outcomes Through Instructional Design”
Dr. Thomas J. Tobin
Books and Other Resources Created by Tom Tobin
Dr. Bonni Stachowiak
TOPcast #20: “Professional Development Through Podcasting”
TOPcast #27: “Humanizing Online Learning”
TOPcast #79: “The 2020 TOPcast & Friends Holiday Special”
Just for Fun Pop Culture Links
From A Christmas Carol: “Be here all the earlier next morning.”
“What’s it all about, Alfie?”
“Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey” (Yes, he’s real!)
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Nov 21, 2022 • 31min
Episode 126: COLOs, Context, and Community
About Episode 126:
Guest Dr. Jocelyn Widmer joins hosts Kelvin and Tom to discuss insights from her interviews of 100+ Chief Online Learning Officers (COLOs). The importance of institutional context in applying lessons learned from this rich community is emphasized.
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Dr. Jocelyn Widmer
Episode 126 Show Notes:
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Coffee Links
“This is Felloween!” from Brandywine Coffee Roasters, Wilmington, DE
About Brandywine Coffee Roasters
Content Links
Dr. Jocelyn Widmer’s Online Profile
The Visualization Work of Texas A&M University Dean Tim McLaughlin
From UPCEA: “The Chief Online Learning Officer: Competencies, Roles, and Trajectories” (Herron)
TOPcast Episode #36: “Finding Online Learning Leaders: ‘Fredericksen’s List’”
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Nov 7, 2022 • 29min
Episode 125: Serving Our Communities with Non-Credit Online Learning
About Episode 125:
In this episode hosts Kelvin and Tom talk through the valuable role alternative (“non-credit”) online learning opportunities can play for the local communities we serve and for the continued relevance of online higher education.
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Episode 125 Show Notes:
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Coffee Links
Midnight Oil from Foxtail Coffee, Winter Park, FL
Content Links
From the Stanford University Design School: “Uncharted Territory: A Guide to Reimagining Higher Education”
UCF’s Continuing Education Programs
In EDUCAUSE Review: “The 60-Year Curriculum: A Strategic Response to a Crisis” (Richards & Dede)
In The Evolllution: “Finding Innovative Ways to Offer Non-Credit” (Siegenthaler)
In The Evolllution: “How Credit for Prior Learning has the Opportunity to Create New Prosperity in Higher Education” (Bergman)
From CAEL: “A Brighter Future Through Credit for Prior Learning”
From StraighterLine: “[Case Study] Utah State University: Expanding Access with Earned Admission”
From NIRSA: “Higher Education Trends and Enrollment”
From Encoura: “The Noncredit Market Curse: Adventures in a Parallel Postsecondary Universe”
TOPcast Episode 123: “Hybridity Predicted and More from CHLOE 7”
TOPcast Mugs from Zazzle
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Oct 17, 2022 • 36min
Episode 124: Reliable “Buckets:” Toward Modality Clarity
About Episode 124:
Guest Dr. Nicole Johnson joins hosts Tom and Kelvin to discuss research on course modality definitions in Canada and the US and why clarity about course modalities is important for advancing the field of digital teaching and learning.
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DR. NICOLE JOHNSONExecutive Director,Canadian Digital Learning Research Association
Episode 124 Show Notes:
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Coffee Links
Video Review (Fellows Coffee): Single-Origin La Muralla Gesha, Colombia from Black & White Coffee Roasters (Wake Forest, NC)
Blog Review (Pull & Pour): Single-Origin La Muralla Gesha, Colombia from Black & White Coffee Roasters (Wake Forest, NC)
About Black & White Coffee Roasters
Content Links
Dr. Nicole Johnson’s Online Profile
Original Research Report: (from CDLRA) “Evolving Definitions in Digital Learning: A National Framework for Categorizing Commonly Used Terms” (Johnson, 2021)
New Research Report: (in the Online Learning Journal) “Defining Different Modes of Learning: Resolving Confusion and Contention Through Consensus” (Johnson, Seaman, and Poulin, 2022)
Infographics of Research Findings from WCET: “Digital Learning Definitions”
On the ETHE Journal Blog: “Musings on Blended Learning Research” (featuring an overview of the Research in Blended Learning book series by Dziuban, Graham, Picciano, and Moskal)
Explication of the “what gets measured gets managed” aphorism
TOPcast Episode 29: “Designing Better Blended Learning” (with Dr. Norm Vaughan)
TOPcast Episode 111:”’Onlineness:’ Necessity, Not Convenience”
TOPcast Episode 115: “‘Blendedness:’ Deliberate Design with Student Benefit”
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Oct 3, 2022 • 28min
Episode 123: Hybridity Predicted and More from CHLOE 7
About Episode 123:
In this episode, hosts Kelvin and Tom talk through the insights and predictions from the CHLOE 7 report, with a focus on anticipated widespread hybridity in courses, programs, and student support services.
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Episode 123 Show Notes:
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Coffee Links
Video: Equator Coffee’s Single-Origin Java Argopuro Natural Lactic
About Equator Coffees
Content Links
Details for Participating in December 2022’s “Call-In Show”
2022 CHLOE 7 Report: “Tracking Online Learning from Mainstream Acceptance to Universal Adoption”
In the Chronicle of Higher Education (2010): “Tomorrow’s College: The classroom of the future features face-to-face, online, and hybrid learning. And the future is here.”
Quality Matters Rubrics and Standards
SUNY Online Course Quality Review Rubric (OSCQR)
OLC Quality Course Teaching and Instructional Practice Scorecard (QCTIP)
Joosten & Cusatis Research Article: “A Cross-Institutional Study of Instructional Characteristics and Student Outcomes: Are Quality Indicators of Online Courses Able to Predict Student Success?”
OLC Quality Scorecard for Online Student Support
Research Article: “A Statewide Study of Perceptions of Directors on the Availability of Online Student Support Services at Postsecondary Institutions” (Brown, Strigle, and Toussaint)
TOPcast Episode #88: “’It Really Always Comes Back to Design‘”
TOPcast Episode #93: “‘A More Generalized Perspective’ Reflections on the CHLOE 6 Report”
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Sep 19, 2022 • 31min
Episode 122: More Equitable Outcomes Through Instructional Design
About Episode 122:
Guest Katrina Wehr joins hosts Tom and Kelvin to talk about how the role of instructional designer can lead to more equitable outcomes for all students within the work of online/digital teaching and learning.
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Episode 122 Show Notes:
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Katrina WehrSenior Learning Experience DesignerWGU Labs
Coffee Links
Single-origin Rwanda from Lineage Coffee Roasting in Orlando, FL
Content Links
Katrina Wehr’s Online Profile
From Katrina Wehr: “Resources to Support the Practice of Equitable Instructional Design”
Equity Visuals in “Defining Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion” (Pennington)
Penn State University Professor Dr. Tanner Vea
From OCAD University’s Inclusive Design Research Center: “What is Inclusive Design?”
From Oregon State’s Ecampus: “Accessibility, Universal Design for Learning (UDL), and Inclusive Design: What Do They Really Mean?”
In EDUCAUSE Review: “Inclusive Design and Design Justice: Strategies to Shape Our Classes and Communities”
Open Access Book: Design Justice: Community-Led Practices to Build the Worlds We Need (Costanza-Chock)
Co-Led by Katrina Wehr: “Design Justice Network Instructional Design Working Group”
40 minute Recording: Scott Freeman on Active Learning in STEM Disciples
Just for Fun Pop Culture Links
Origins of “Take Me to Your Leader”
Highways and The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
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Sep 6, 2022 • 30min
Episode 121: “Surprisingly Awesome” In-Person Engagement
About Episode 121:
Join hosts Tom and Kelvin for a consideration of the value that in-person engagement has in our work of online education, particularly in the support and professional development of online teaching faculty.
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Episode 121 Show Notes:
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Coffee Links
Bird Rock Coffee Company via Cometeer
About Cometeer Coffee
Content Links
UCF’s Flagship Online/Blended Faculty Development Program: IDL6543
(Time-Limited Web Page) “CDL’s Fall 2022 In-Person Faculty Engagement Activities”
TOPcast Episode #59: “Online Faculty Development”
Past TOPcast Episodes on “Humanizing” Online Learning Experiences:
#27: “Humanizing Online Learning” (with Dr. Bonni Stachowiak)
#38: “Storytelling and Empathy in Online Education” (with Dr. Angela Gunder and Dr. Jessica Knott)
#64: “Principles for Humanizing Online Education… and Remote Teaching/Learning” (with Dr. Michelle Pacansky-Brock)
“TOPcast Insider” Newsletter Sign-Up Form
Just for Fun Pop Culture Links
“Broccoli” from “Surprisingly Awesome” Podcast
Bush and Broccoli in the LA Times (1990): “Broccoli Stalks Bush on White House Lawn : Veggies: First Lady accepts California gift, but most of it goes to charity. Flap gives pundits food for thought”
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