

heretics.
Andrew Gold
What makes you a heretic? Journalist Andrew Gold talks to everyone from cult defectors and politicians to mainstream celebrities—people who’ve challenged the expected script and lived with the consequences.
Guests include Robbie Williams, Chris Packham, David Baddiel, Richard Dawkins, Bonnie Blue, and former UK Prime Minister Liz Truss.
Guests include Robbie Williams, Chris Packham, David Baddiel, Richard Dawkins, Bonnie Blue, and former UK Prime Minister Liz Truss.
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Dec 27, 2021 • 1h 11min
87: Prof. Carl Zimmer - What It Means to be 'Alive'
Popular science writer, journalist and Yale University Professor of molecular biophysics and biochemistry Carl Zimmer is joining me to finally answer the late Beatle George Harrison's question: what is life.
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Prof. Carl Zimmer links:
http://carlzimmer.com
https://twitter.com/carlzimmer
Life's Edge book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08QJM2CJY/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
Andrew Gold links:
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Dec 20, 2021 • 1h 11min
86: Do animals get drunk and high? - Oné Pagán
Have you ever wondered if your furry friend might be partial to a beer or two? Did you know that koalas smoked pipes and dolphins get high on pufferfish? Here to tell us all about the weird and wonderful world of intoxicated animals and humans too is Oné Pagan, a university professor and researcher with a PHD in Pharmacology with an emphasis on Neurobiology from Cornell University.
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Oné Pagán links:
https://twitter.com/Baldscientist
http://baldscientist.com/ (official website)
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25233610-500-what-intoxicated-animals-can-teach-us-about-our-vices/ (New Scientist Article)
https://www.amazon.com/Drunk-Flies-Stoned-Dolphins-Intoxication/dp/1950665372 (Drunk Flies and Stoned Dolphins book!)
Andrew Gold links:
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Dec 13, 2021 • 1h 22min
85: Lonely, Sexless Men (Incels) - William Costello
William Costello is a writer and an academic in the field of Evolutionary Psychology who has specialised in incel culture and things like beauty and attraction. He's also a lovely, charming man, a great laugh and really informative.
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William Costello links:
https://twitter.com/CostelloWilliam
https://william05227.wixsite.com/website (official website)
https://twitter.com/costellowilliam/status/1463139125935198215? (do his survey on how to be attractive!)
Andrew Gold links:
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Dec 6, 2021 • 1h 23min
84: Why people become terrorists: Nafees Hamid
Nafees Hamid talks about what makes people into terrorists and other forms of extremists…and how we might be able to persuade them or talk them down. He is a research fellow at ARTIS International, an associate fellow at the International Centre for Counter-Terrorism – The Hague, and a Frederick Bonnart-Braunthal Trust scholar in the University College London's Department of Security and Crime Science.
Watch my follow-up interview later that night as host of the Shaun Attwood show: https://youtu.be/LqFj9ig657Q.
Nafees Hamid Socials:
Twitter: @NafeesHamid
Instagram: nafees_hamid_
Videos:
NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/opinion/domestic-terrorism-jihadists.html
Netflix (S2E6): https://www.netflix.com/title/81098586
Articles:
The Conversation: https://theconversation.com/the-neuroscience-of-terrorism-how-we-convinced-a-group-of-radicals-to-let-us-scan-their-brains-114855
NYRB: https://www.nybooks.com/contributors/nafees-hamid/
Andrew Gold links:
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Nov 29, 2021 • 1h 1min
83: NXIVM Sex-Trafficking Cult Survivor Kelly Thiel
Kelly Thiel was once a member of the notorious NXIVM cult. For those of you who – like me – don’t or didn’t know much about this sect, you’re in for a bit of a shock – not least in how that bunch of capital letters are supposed to be pronounced. But I’ll let Kelly explain that part.
The cult was on the surface a multi-level marketing group that had various levels of memberships. Its members would learn a lot about self-help stuff, such as how to find purpose and be happy. Its methods were said to have been somewhere between those of Tony Robbins and the cult of Scientology, and there was even some stuff about going back to your childhood or past lives.
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Kelly Thiel links:
https://www.instagram.com/thekellythiel/
https://kellythiel.com
Andrew Gold links:
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Nov 22, 2021 • 1h 11min
82: I lived in an airport for 7 months: Hassan Al Kontar
Today’s guest is Hassan al-Kontar, an absolute gem of a person who found himself in one of the most unique and unusual positions imaginable: living in an airport for seven months. As a Syrian refugee, Hassan had been working in the United Arab Emirates, when civil war broke out in Syria. Refusing to return there to join the Syrian military (knowing he might be arrested upon arrival), he stayed abroad, and Hassan’s passport renewal was later denied, leaving him stranded in Kuala Lumpar International Airport in Malaysia.
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Hassan Al Kontar links:
https://www.instagram.com/kontar_81
https://twitter.com/Kontar81
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Man-Airport-Social-Life-One-Syrians-ebook/dp/B094YLT5FF
Andrew Gold links:
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Nov 15, 2021 • 1h 9min
81: Why we like to suffer - Prof. Paul Bloom
Why do we like to suffer? Canadian-American Professor of Psychology and Cognitive Science Paul Bloom believes he has the answer. Or at least, some of the answers to what is a profound and complex question. In his book The Sweet Spot: The Pleasures of Suffering and the Search for Meaning, he explores exactly that – that Goldilocks point just between too much suffering – such as with last week’s guest, Guantanamo’s most tortured prisoner Mohamedou Ould Salahi – and a life without enough self-imposed suffering.
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Prof Paul Bloom links:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sweet-Spot-Pleasures-Suffering-Meaning/dp/0062910566
https://twitter.com/paulbloomatyale
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bloom_(psychologist)
https://paulbloom.net
Andrew Gold links:
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Nov 8, 2021 • 1h 16min
80: Guantanamo's Most Tortured Prisoner: Mohamedou Ould Salahi
Today, we’ve got a classic On the Edge interviewee, in the form of Mohamedou Ould Salahi, who was detained in Guantanamo Bay for 14 years and is considered by some to be Guantanamo’s most tortured prisoner. Raised in the African country of Mauritania, before moving to Germany, Mohamedou was suspected of having links to terrorism after 9/11.
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Mohamedou Ould Salahi links:
https://twitter.com/MohamedouOuld
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamedou_Ould_Salahi
http://guantanamodiary.com/
Andrew Gold links:
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Oct 31, 2021 • 29min
79: True Crime 3: The Broadmoor Cannibal
In our final installment of the three Halloween Specials, Dr. Sohom Das takes us into the mind of the Broadmoor Cannibal, Peter Bryan.
Dr. Sohom Das links:
A Psych for Sore Minds YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU2T2mo13y0&ab_channel=APsychForSoreMinds
http://www.drdas.co.uk
https://twitter.com/Dr_S_Das
Andrew Gold links:
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Oct 31, 2021 • 33min
78: True Crime 2: Swedish Killer Twin Sisters
In the second episode of our Halloween trilogy, Dr. Sohom Das explains what really went on in the minds of Swedish twin sisters Ursula and Sabina Eriksson, who terrified motorists, before one of them killed a man.
Dr. Sohom Das links:
A Psych for Sore Minds YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU2T2mo13y0&ab_channel=APsychForSoreMinds
http://www.drdas.co.uk
https://twitter.com/Dr_S_Das
Andrew Gold links:
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