

Vertical Playpen
High 5 Adventure Learning Center
Want to learn more about Adventure and Experiential Education? Then this podcast is for you!
Listeners of this podcast will get;
- Adventure Programming Theory
- Facilitation Tips
- Activity Ideas
- Industry Career Advice
- Interviews from Industry Professionals
High 5 Adventure Learning Center is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to helping individuals, teams, schools, communities and businesses improve the way they live, learn and work together. Connect with us at high5adventure.org
Listeners of this podcast will get;
- Adventure Programming Theory
- Facilitation Tips
- Activity Ideas
- Industry Career Advice
- Interviews from Industry Professionals
High 5 Adventure Learning Center is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to helping individuals, teams, schools, communities and businesses improve the way they live, learn and work together. Connect with us at high5adventure.org
Episodes
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Apr 22, 2025 • 38min
Communication in the Classroom | Mike Anderson
In this episode, the conversation focuses on the importance of communication in education, featuring insights from Anne Louise Wagner, Ryan McCormick and Mike Anderson. They discuss the barriers to effective communication, the significance of modeling appropriate communication for students, and the creation of a safe learning environment. The speakers emphasize the role of humor and personal connections in enhancing communication, as well as the need for continuous improvement in communication skills. They also explore the challenges of adapting communication styles in different contexts and the powerful influence adults have on shaping student communication behaviors. Teachers often unintentionally send mixed messages to students. Modeling appropriate communication is crucial for student learning. Creating a safe environment encourages students to take risks. Humor and playfulness can enhance communication in the classroom. Personal connections foster a positive learning atmosphere. Awareness of tone and body language impacts communication effectiveness. Adults should model the behavior they want to see in students. Communication skills can always be improved and refined. Mistakes in communication provide opportunities for growth. Learn more about Mike: https://leadinggreatlearning.com/ Connect with Anne Louise - alwagner@high5adventure.org Connect with Ryan - rmccormick@high5adventure.org Connect with Phil; Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Apr 15, 2025 • 26min
National FFA Organization (Future Farmers of America) | Dr. Travis Park
"Learning to do, doing to learn" Phil, alongside guest host Jamie Thibodeau, is joined by Dr. Travis Park to explore the National FFA Organization's mission and its connection to experiential education. Travis discusses the importance of agricultural education in developing leadership, personal growth, and career success among students. The discussion highlights the role of experiential learning in FFA programs, the leadership development opportunities available to students, and the empowerment of youth through peer leadership. The conversation concludes with insights on collaboration between FFA and experiential education organizations. FFA is an agricultural leadership organization for students. The mission of FFA is to develop leadership and career success. Experiential education is integral to FFA's teaching methods. Students engage in supervised agricultural experiences (SAEs). Peer leadership is a key component of FFA's structure. FFA chapters empower students to lead their peers. Leadership development occurs through conferences and workshops. FFA provides opportunities for networking and mentorship. Agriculture teachers play a crucial role in student development. Collaboration between FFA and experiential education can enhance learning. Learn more about the FFA - https://www.ffa.org/ Connect with Phil; Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Donate to the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Apr 8, 2025 • 30min
Deliberate Creative Teams | Dr. Amy Climer
In this conversation, Phil Brown interviews Amy Climer about her new book, 'Deliberate Creative Teams.' They discuss the importance of creativity in teams, the misconceptions surrounding creativity, and the role of education in stifling creative potential. Amy shares insights on how to facilitate creativity within teams, the concept of creative abrasion, and the creative spectrum that teams can navigate to enhance their innovative capabilities. The discussion emphasizes the need for structure in creative processes and the potential for individuals and teams to elevate their creative output. Amy's book is based on her PhD research on creativity in teams. Creativity is often misunderstood; it's about problem-solving, not just artistic ability. Education systems can diminish creativity by promoting standardized answers. Creativity can be learned and developed over time. Facilitators play a crucial role in creating environments for creativity. Creative abrasion allows for healthy conflict and idea generation. Group think can stifle innovation and should be avoided. Teams can be categorized on a spectrum from destructive to scalable in terms of creativity. Setting clear expectations and structures can enhance creative processes. The ultimate goal is to help teams and individuals reach their full creative potential. Get Amy's Book - https://a.co/d/3FzEwtq Learn more about the book - https://climerconsulting.com/book/ Connect with Amy - amy@climerconsulting.com Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Apr 1, 2025 • 23min
Master of Education (MEd) in Adventure Education | Springfield College | Angie Veatch and Ted France
Phil Brown, Angie Veach, and Ted France discuss the newly launched Masters of Education in Adventure Education program at Springfield College. They explore the intent behind creating the program, the importance of legitimacy in the field, and the need for a curriculum that respects and incorporates experiential learning. The discussion also touches on the significance of breaking down silos in education, the role of language in making education accessible, and the essential facilitation skills that students will develop. Finally, they share their hopes for the future of adventure education and the specifics of the program's application process. The program aims to fill a void in adventure education. Legitimacy in adventure education is crucial for professional growth. Experiential learning is at the core of the curriculum. Breaking down silos can enhance collaboration across disciplines. Facilitation skills are essential for effective teaching and learning. The program is designed to be flexible for working professionals. Students will learn to create psychologically safe environments. The future of adventure education lies in developing thinking practitioners. Language used in education should be accessible and relatable. The program encourages individual connections and personalized learning paths. Learn more about the MEd - https://springfield.edu/graduate-programs/adventure-education Connect with Angie Veatch - aveatch@springfieldcollege.edu Connect with Ted France - tfrance@springfield.edu Connect with Kristi Jacobi - kristijacobi@stmarksschool.org Connect with Phil; Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - @verticalplaypen Support the podcast - https://high5adventure.org/podcast-page/ Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Mar 25, 2025 • 25min
Service Learning | Cathryn Berger Kaye
Phil and Cathryn Berger Kaye explore the transformative power of service learning in education. Cathy defines service learning as a pedagogical approach that connects students' learning to real-world community needs, emphasizing the importance of purpose and engagement in the learning process. They discuss the barriers educators face in implementing service learning, the significance of connection and adventure in education, and share inspiring stories of positive outcomes from service learning initiatives. Cathy provides practical advice for educators looking to incorporate service learning into their curriculum, highlighting the need for a shift in focus from standardized testing to meaningful, experiential learning. Service learning is a process that connects education to real-world needs. It elevates student engagement by providing a sense of purpose. Teachers find renewed passion through service learning. Service learning fosters social-emotional learning in students. Adventure in learning encourages risk-taking and self-discovery. Real-life stories illustrate the impact of service learning. Barriers to service learning include lack of understanding and standardized testing. Educators can start with practical resources and community connections. Service learning is not just community service; it's an educational pedagogy. Wisdom in education involves using knowledge for the common good. Connect with Cathy - cathy@cbkassociates.com Learn more about service learning - https://cbkassociates.com/ Connect with Phil; email - podcast@high5adventure.org instagram - @verticalplaypen Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Mar 18, 2025 • 25min
Positive Reinforcement in the Classroom | Eugene Banks
In this engaging conversation, Phil and Eugene Banks explore the profound impact of education, the journey of becoming an educator, and the art of teaching. They discuss the importance of connection, positive reinforcement, and authentic engagement in the classroom, emphasizing that teaching is not just about content but about the context and relationships built with students. Eugene shares his personal journey into education, highlighting the challenges and triumphs he faced along the way, and the strategies he employs to foster a dynamic learning environment. They also explore the importance of embracing mistakes in education, setting clear expectations, and fostering a growth mindset among students. Eugene shares his teaching strategies, including the 'We Do' approach, which emphasizes collaborative learning. They discuss the need to challenge traditional educational practices and the significance of inspiring young minds through literature. Eugene also highlights the urgency of pursuing dreams and the impact of his books aimed at empowering young black children. Positive reinforcement can significantly impact student engagement. Finding your teacher voice takes time and experience. Education requires a long-term commitment to improvement. Teaching is an art form that evolves with practice. Authenticity in teaching resonates with students. Student voice should dominate over teacher voice in the classroom. Engagement strategies are crucial for maintaining student focus. Mistakes in teaching are opportunities for growth. Building relationships with students enhances the learning experience. Mistakes are part of the learning journey. Setting clear expectations minimizes room for error. The 'We Do' strategy encourages collaborative problem-solving. Facilitators guide students rather than dictate learning. Growth mindset is essential for overcoming challenges. Education should prepare students for real-life situations. Rewards should be earned, not given for mere participation. Challenging traditional practices can enhance learning. Books can inspire and empower young minds. Acting with urgency can lead to fulfilling dreams. Eugene on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/youngblackscholarbook/ Learn more about Eugene and his books; https://www.eugenebanks.com/ Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Mar 11, 2025 • 25min
Attribution Theory | Josh Fisher
Phil and Josh Fisher discuss attribution theory, a concept in social psychology that explains how individuals interpret the causes of events and behaviors. They explore its relevance in adventure education, emphasizing the importance of understanding internal and external attributions, common missteps participants make, and strategies for educators to engage learners effectively. The conversation highlights the role of language in framing success and failure, the need for appropriate challenges for different skill levels, and the impact of past experiences on current perceptions. Ultimately, they stress the importance of fostering a culture where failure is seen as a learning opportunity. Attribution theory helps explain how we interpret success and failure. Common missteps include attributing success to luck and failure to external factors. Reframing language can enhance participant engagement and learning. Creating appropriate challenges is essential for skill development. Pre-attribution can influence how individuals approach new experiences. Educators play a crucial role in shaping attributions in their students. Failure is a necessary part of the learning process. Encouraging reflection can help participants understand their experiences better. It's important to focus on controllable factors in success and failure. Building a positive learning environment can mitigate learned helplessness. Contact Josh - jfisher@high5adventure.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Mar 4, 2025 • 27min
AEE APAC Conference 2025 Reflections
Phil (AEE Board President-Elect) and Sherry Bagley (AEE Executive Director) discuss their experiences at the AEE Conference in Hong Kong, focusing on the significance of the Asia Pacific region, lessons learned, the role of academia in experiential education, and the importance of engaging the next generation of educators. They share unique cultural experiences and reflections on risk management and child safeguarding, emphasizing the value of building connections and community within the field. The Asia Pacific region is vast and diverse, requiring tailored approaches to experiential education. Experiential education is more about the 'why' than the 'what' or 'where'. International inclusion means sharing knowledge from all regions, not just the US. Academic legitimacy is crucial for the growth of experiential education in Asia. Workshops on risk management highlighted the need for practical application of policies. Engaging students and new educators is essential for the future of the field. Cultural experiences can enhance personal growth and understanding. Building relationships is key to fostering a strong community in experiential education. Unique experiences, like calligraphy classes, can deepen cultural appreciation. Future conferences should prioritize first-time presenters to encourage new voices. Connect with Sherry Bagley - sherry@aee.org Connect with Phil - pbrown@high5adventure.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Feb 18, 2025 • 33min
The History of Experiential Learning | Professor Colin Beard
"Education wasn't for certain people." In this conversation, Phil and Professor Colin Beard delve into the history and evolution of experiential learning, exploring its prehistory and the cognitive capacities that have shaped human learning. They discuss the limitations of traditional educational models and the importance of recognizing the contributions of lesser-known figures in education, such as Maria Montessori and Marina Ewald. The conversation culminates in the introduction of the Holistic Experiential Learning Model (HELM), emphasizing the need for a more complex understanding of learning that incorporates various human capacities. Humans have been learning throughout their entire existence. The evolution of learning capacities spans millions of years. Traditional educational models often overlook essential cognitive functions. Maria Montessori's contributions to education are significant yet underrecognized. The complexity of learning requires a holistic approach. Experiential learning should utilize all human capacities. Simplicity in educational models can lead to limitations. The importance of questioning in the learning process is paramount. Silenced voices in education highlight systemic biases. The Holistic Experiential Learning Model (HELM) offers a new perspective on learning. Connect with Professor Beard - colbeard2@outlook.com Connect with Phil; Email - podcast@high5adventure.org Instagram - @verticalplaypen Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Feb 11, 2025 • 14min
What Are Your Questions?..and more helpful phrases
Phil shares five key phrases that enhance his training and communication. He emphasizes the importance of preparation on the ground, reframing questions to encourage engagement, and fostering creativity through vague responses. He also discusses the value of embracing mistakes as learning opportunities and the significance of connecting through shared experiences and purpose. If you can do it on the ground, do it on the ground. Reframing questions can lead to better engagement. Encouraging creativity requires intentional vagueness. Normalizing mistakes is essential for learning. Connection is more about the why than the what or where. Preparation is key to effective problem-solving. Asking 'What are your questions?' invites participation. Mistakes are part of the learning process. Shared experiences create stronger connections. It's important to allow space for questions in training. Connect with Phil; Email - podcast@high5adventure.org instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com


