

Punk Rock HR
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Welcome to the Punk Rock HR Podcast, hosted by the influential and unconventional Laurie Ruettimann. This podcast breaks away from the traditional constraints of the HR world to bring you candid and compelling conversations with some of the most disruptive and innovative minds in the business. Each episode, Laurie dives deep into critical topics surrounding the real world of work, exploring the modern workplace's nuances, and challenging the status quo of HR.Guests range from renowned thought leaders, authors, and entrepreneurs to HR professionals and individuals who have reshaped the way we approach work and organizational culture. Punk Rock HR is not your usual HR talk. It’s a blend of insight, wit, and irreverence, aiming to bring a fresh, unfiltered perspective to the challenges and opportunities facing today’s workforce.Whether you’re an HR professional looking to revamp your approach, a leader trying to understand the people side of the business better, or just someone interested in the dynamics of the modern workplace, this podcast is your ticket to engaging discussions and actionable insights. Expect energizing conversations, guests with big ideas, and a punk rock twist, with episodes released every Monday.Follow the Punk Rock HR Podcast to keep your finger on the pulse of work, leadership, and human resources. Your journey towards a more progressive and enlightened workspace starts here!
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Mar 16, 2026 • 31min
303: Healthy to 100 with Ken Stern
What actually helps people live longer, healthier lives? According to longevity expert Ken Stern, it’s not just diet, exercise, or the latest health trend. The biggest factor might surprise you: Your relationships.
Ken Stern, author of Healthy to 100, joins Punk Rock HR to talk about what the longest-lived countries in the world are doing differently. Drawing from research and reporting in Japan, Singapore, Italy, Spain, and South Korea, Ken explains how social connection, community design, and policy shape how long (and how well) we live.
In this episode, you’ll hear:
Why loneliness is a serious health risk, comparable to smoking
What the world’s longest-lived countries do differently than the United States
How social connection impacts longevity more than diet or exercise
Why the traditional life stages of school, work, and retirement were invented — and can be reinvented
What Japan’s older workforce reveals about purpose and longevity
How housing policy and urban design influence healthy aging
Why the future of work will require rethinking retirement
How communities and public policy shape how long we live

Mar 2, 2026 • 32min
302: Becoming Trustworthy: Race and Solidarity at Work with Karen Fleshman
Karen Fleshman joins Punk Rock HR to talk about race, power, and the uncomfortable yet necessary work white women must do to build trust across differences. As the founder of the Interracial Sisterhood Coalition, Karen works with white women who are past the beginner stage of anti-racism and ready to examine how conditioning, proximity to power, and workplace dynamics reinforce racial hierarchy.
This conversation moves beyond theory. It explores accountability, institutional protection, intergenerational trauma, and what it actually takes to build solidarity in today’s workplace.
In this episode, you’ll hear:
Why Karen shifted from preparing young people of color for corporate America to preparing workplaces for them
What the “messy middle” of anti-racism work looks like
How white women’s proximity to power shapes HR and leadership roles
The tension between protecting institutions and protecting people
Why Karen prefers solidarity over performative allyship
How intergenerational trauma influences workplace behavior
What it takes to build trust across racial differences

Feb 18, 2026 • 36min
301: The Manager Method with Ashley Herd
Ashley Herd, founder and CEO of Manager Method and co-host of HR Besties, joins Punk Rock HR to talk about what it actually takes to lead people well. A lawyer turned HR executive, Ashley shares how mentorship, recognition, and practical judgment shape better managers — and why “common sense” leadership isn’t common at all.
If you manage people, support managers in HR, or sit in the C-suite and want employees to function like humans instead of headcount, this conversation is for you.
In this episode, you’ll hear:
Why mentors can sit anywhere on the org chart — including below you
The hidden human cost of how and when we terminate employees
Why recognition isn’t “fluffy” — it’s fuel
How Ashley’s Pause–Consider–Act framework changes everyday decisions
What HR Besties gets right about nuance in the profession
Why managers must stop thinking about people as spreadsheets

Dec 18, 2025 • 30min
300: The Reality of Work Tech in 2026 with Mary Ellen Slayter and Steve Smith
Mary Ellen Slayter and Steve Smith of Rep Cap join Punk Rock HR to talk about the state of the job market, the reality behind AI hype, and what’s actually changing in work tech and HR tech. Drawing on decades as journalists turned operators, they break down why this moment feels uniquely disorienting and where real opportunity still exists.
From capital shifts and consolidation to brand, people investment, and human connection, Mary Ellen and Steve share what’s breaking, what’s quietly working, and why 2026 may mark a turning point for companies willing to think long term.
In this episode, you’ll hear:
Why today’s job market feels brutal despite strong labor numbers
How AI hype differs from real innovation in work tech
Why VC-era assumptions are gone and what replaces them
Where private equity, consolidation, and M&A are reshaping the market
Why brand and long-term value matter more than short-term performance
Where optimism still exists for work, people, and leadership in 2026

Sep 29, 2025 • 41min
299: The Human Cost of AI in HR with Scott Stratten
Scott Stratten, speaker and author joins Punk Rock HR to talk about the hype, fear, and noise around AI in HR. Instead of focusing on tools, he asks why they exist in the first place and what they mean for the future of work. From AI bots in interviews to the risk of HR jobs disappearing in the next 24 months, Scott brings the truth. He calls for the act of slowing down, asking better questions, and remembering that HR’s role is to defend humanity at work.
In this episode, you’ll hear:
Why interviews with AI bots are dehumanizing for candidates
The biggest red flags HR should watch for with AI adoption
How “efficiency” is often a cover for economic cruelty
Why HR jobs may vanish in 24–36 months without reinvention
What a pre-mortem can teach us about slowing down AI adoption
How referrals and relationships still drive most hiring
Why universal basic income is entering the conversation
The true value of HR: advocacy and human connection

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Sep 22, 2025 • 28min
298: Navigating AI and Global Work with Laura Maffucci
Laura Maffucci, VP of HR at Globalization Partners, shares her expertise on how AI is transforming the HR landscape. She explains the concept of 'Agentic AI' and its importance in safely managing HR tasks. Laura discusses the evolving nature of HR jobs, emphasizing that while roles are changing, human judgment remains vital. She highlights crucial strategies for safe AI adoption and the necessity of a strong global talent strategy in today's job market. Tune in for valuable insights on harnessing AI while preserving the human element in HR.

Sep 15, 2025 • 56min
297: Supporting Caregivers at Work with Blair Whitman
Blair Whitman, VP of Client Success at Homethrive, joins Punk Rock HR to talk about the stigma around caregiving, why it’s a workforce issue, and how companies can move beyond performative support. From personal caregiving stories to the ROI of real benefits, Blair shares how employers can create cultures that support both productivity and compassion.
In this episode, you’ll hear:
Why many people don’t identify as caregivers and why it matters
How caregiving impacts careers, especially for women
What managers can do to support employees under strain
The difference between EAPs and deeper caregiving support
How caregiving benefits deliver real ROI for companies
Why including men in the caregiving conversation is essential
The unexpected joy and beauty that come with caregiving

Jul 29, 2025 • 35min
296: Real HR with Robin Schooling
Robin Schooling, a luminary in the HR field, joins the Punk Rock HR Podcast for a compelling conversation about her new book, “Real HR: What It Is, What It Can Be, and How to Get There.”
Robin shares personal and professional milestones, including a health scare that inspired her to complete her decade-long writing project. Her story is one of resilience and passion, challenging the absurdities of the HR world and advocating for practices grounded in authenticity. Laurie and Robin explore the intriguing contradictions within the field, highlighting Robin’s unwavering commitment to reshaping HR into a more genuine and impactful profession.
The episode addresses common myths about HR, including the misconception that HR should handle all emotional labor and solely protect the company. Laurie and Robin argue for a more nuanced understanding of HR’s role in ensuring fair systems and highlight the growing importance of technology in the workplace. With anecdotes of resourcefulness in budget-constrained environments, such as utilizing emerging technologies like SMS-based chatbots, they showcase the ingenuity required to thrive in HR today.
This episode is a treasure trove of insights for those eager to see HR evolve beyond traditional confines, offering inspiration and innovative ideas for making significant strides in the field.
In this episode, you will hear:
Robin Schooling’s book, “Real HR: What It Is, What It Can Be, and How to Get There”
Insights into Robin's personal and professional journey, including a health scare that inspired her to complete her book
Debunking common HR myths, such as HR's role in emotional labor and solely protecting the company
Emphasizing the importance of fair and equitable systems in HR practices
Exploring the integration of technology in HR, including early adoption of tools like SMS-based chatbots
Resourcefulness in HR, especially in budget-constrained environments
Advocating for authentic, innovative, and impactful HR practices that challenge traditional boundaries
Resources from this Episode
Robin Schooling website: robinschooling.com
Connect with Robin on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/robinschooling
Find Robin on Threads: www.threads.com/@robinschooling
Get “Real HR: What It Is, What It Can Be, and How to Get There”: realhrbook.com
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Jun 16, 2025 • 42min
295: Well-Being with Christine Muldoon
Facing a brain tumor and navigating menopause were not challenges Christine Muldoon ever anticipated would redefine her role as a leader and a woman. Her story is a powerful testament to the resilience and empathy that arise from confronting personal health challenges head-on.
On this episode of the Punk Rock HR Podcast, Christine, Senior Vice President of Marketing and Strategy at WebMD Health Services, offers an intimate look at her journey toward well-being, highlighting the importance of self-care and robust support systems both at home and in the workplace.
As societal expectations shift, so too does the landscape of workplace well-being. Christine and Laurie explore the evolving strategies that now prioritize an employee's mental and emotional health in tandem with physical well-being. Christine's commitment to breaking down the stigma around menopause in the professional world is both inspiring and necessary, as she shares her vision for a more inclusive and understanding approach to women's health issues at work. Her insight is a reminder of the vital role organizations play in nurturing an environment where all employees feel valued and supported.
At the heart of the conversation is a call to action for organizations to create a culture of well-being that extends beyond mere programs. Christine details how WebMD Health Services is leading the charge with personalized initiatives like WebMD One, which seamlessly incorporates health coaching and wellness challenges to build a sense of community and connection among employees. By sharing success stories and emphasizing the need for open dialogue, Christine and Laurie hope to inspire a movement toward workplaces where well-being isn't just an afterthought but a cornerstone of daily operations.
In this episode, you will hear:
Christine Muldoon's personal journey with a brain tumor and menopause, and its impact on her leadership style and well-being focus
Evolution of workplace well-being strategies, emphasizing mental, emotional, and caregiving support
Importance of creating a supportive and inclusive work culture that addresses women's health issues, like menopause
WebMD Health Services' initiatives, such as WebMD One, to foster community and connection through personalized well-being programs
Role of health coaching and digital tools in enhancing employee wellness and setting personalized health goals
Breaking the stigma of menopause in the workplace and promoting open dialogue and education
Empowering organizations to integrate well-being into their culture beyond mere programs, enhancing productivity and employee satisfaction
Resources from this Episode
WebMD Health Services: https://www.webmdhealthservices.com/
4 Ways To Support Women’s Well-Being at Work: www.webmdhealthservices.com/resources/tip-sheets/4-ways-to-support-womens-well-being-at-work
Christine Muldoon on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/christine-muldoon-0417525
WebMD Health Services Podcasts: www.webmdhealthservices.com/podcasts
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Apr 7, 2025 • 36min
294: Why HR Posters Matter with Joel Stupka
Ever pondered the hidden complexities behind AI and HR compliance?On this episode of the Punk Rock HR Podcast, Laurie sits down with Joel Stupka, the Enterprise Partnerships Director at PosterElite and podcast host of HR Snacks. Using his expertise, they explore the unsung hero of HR compliance—the labor law poster. They also touch on the serious financial penalties businesses face for non-compliance. Joel shares how PosterElite’s innovative digital solutions transform how companies maintain compliance across multiple jurisdictions, ensuring they stay ahead of the ever-changing legal landscape.Laurie and Joel also dissect the experience of attending the Transform conference, a unique blend of networking and engaging discussions at The Wynn. While the conference focused on AI, Joel and Laurie reflect on the need for patience and human-centric solutions during rapid technological advancements. In this episode, you will hear:
The critical role of labor law posters in maintaining compliance and avoiding significant fines
Automating compliance processes to free HR professionals for more strategic tasks
PosterElite's digital solutions for keeping labor law posters up-to-date
Reflections on the Transform conference and the desire for more diverse and practical session topics beyond AI
The complexities and challenges of AI adoption in large organizations and its impact on HR compliance
The importance of human-centric solutions and the social implications of AI in the workplace
Patience and realistic expectations in the early stages of AI integration in businesses
Resources from this Episode
PosterElite: posterelite.com
Joel Stupka on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/joelstupka
HR Snacks Newsletter: www.linkedin.com/newsletters/7049840001571844096
Follow and Review:We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast.Episode CreditsIf you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.Powered by the WRKdefined Podcast Network.


