No Cap by CRE Daily

Season 6, Episode 1: Season 6 of the No Cap Podcast kicks off with a masterclass in Opportunity Zone (OZ) equity. Jack and Alex sit down with Jordan Brustein & Andrew Rudy from Ackman-Ziff to explore how they’ve carved out a unique niche in structured finance. Jordan and Andrew break down the creative evolution of the OZ market, detailing innovative preferred equity structures that solve the 10-year hold challenge for developers. From ground-up developments to post-CO recapitalizations, learn how these capital market experts are resetting the clock on distressed assets and preparing for the next era of "OZ 2.0." Whether you're a developer or an investor, this episode is a must-listen for navigating today's complex financing environment. Shoutout to our sponsor, Appfolio. The growth engine transforming how firms handle investor relations and distributions. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 01:54 – Ackman-Ziff's History and Focus on Structured Finance 03:21 – Carving a Niche in the Opportunity Zone Space 04:35 – Structuring Preferred Equity for a 10-Year Hold 08:55 – Financing Ground-Up Development with OZ Pref 14:52 – The Math: 10-Year Outlook and Positive Leverage 18:05 – Opportunity Zone Fundamentals and Tax Benefits 21:28 – Strategic Recaps: Injecting New OZ Equity Post-CO 25:13 – Navigating Qualified Opportunity Zone Compliance 30:10 – OZ 2.0: Future Outlook and Global Gain Trends 37:21 – Case Study: $200M Recapitalization in Washington D.C. 48:41 – The Cycle of Common Equity vs. Private Credit For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 10: On this episode of the No Cap Podcast, hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Michael Cohen, Principal at Williams Equities and a key figure in the Flatiron NoMad Partnership. Drawing on his family’s nearly 100-year history in Manhattan real estate and his leadership within the brokerage world at Colliers, Michael shares how New York’s real estate ecosystem has evolved from family-run ownership models to today’s era of institutional capital and global brokerage consolidation. Michael also breaks down the strategic thinking behind some of Manhattan’s most recognizable assets and neighborhoods—from the transformation of NoMad and the role of Business Improvement Districts to the redevelopment of the iconic Flatiron Building. The conversation explores how policy shifts like the City of Yes initiative, along with advances in technology, finance, and AI, could shape the next chapter of New York office and urban development. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 01:55 – The Many Michael Cohens & Williams Equities History 07:05 – Globalization and the Consolidation of Brokerage 11:51 – Public Models vs. Partnership Structures in CRE 19:01 – New York's Current Market State: A Virtuous Cycle 26:38 – The Rise of NoMad and Business Improvement Districts (BIDs) 37:21 – The Future of the Iconic Flatiron Building 40:31 – Portfolio Strategy: 1031 Exchanges and Value-Add Upside 55:01 – Institutional Capital and IRR vs. ROI Investing For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 9: On this episode of the No Cap Podcast, hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Brandon Colombo and Rodes Boyd, co-founders of Bracket and sponsors of this season of the podcast. Drawing on their experience in brokerage and marketplace platforms like Ten-X, they break down why traditional CRE transactions remain slow, opaque, and inefficient—and how new digital platforms aim to fix that. Brandon and Rodes explain how Bracket is building a marketplace designed to streamline the entire deal process, from pricing strategy and broker opinions of value to buyer discovery and execution. The conversation explores how technology, better data transparency, and AI-driven underwriting could expand buyer pools, speed up transactions, and change how properties trade across the commercial real estate market. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 01:48 – Solving CRE Info Gaps and Transaction Pain 03:48 – Lessons from 10X and Auction Gaps 07:13 – Bringing Institutional Process to Mid-Markets 13:16 – From Manual Brokerage to Tech Platform 21:49 – Pricing Strategy: AI and "Buying the Listing" 28:38 – Selling Transparency Over Price 38:53 – Client Consulting: Data-Driven Trust Building For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Chris Salerno, founder of QC Capital and builder of an institutional car wash platform, shares why car washes pair real estate with a business model. He covers tunnel design, membership economics, water and chemical cost pressures, and efficient, lower-cost builds. The conversation also looks at small-bay industrial demand, underwriting across verticals, and how QC manages risk as cap-rate compression eases.

Season 5, Episode 7: Season 5 keeps going with a look at where capital is really moving as the market works through its next phase. Jack and Alex are joined by Matt Brody, Managing Director and Head of Real Estate Capital Formation at Canyon Partners, one of the most active firms in real estate credit and special situations. They get into how Matt’s experience during the GFC shaped his approach to capital raising, how Canyon thinks about structured credit and recapitalizations, and why today’s opportunity set looks more like quiet, intermediated stress than headline distress. The conversation also covers what LPs are prioritizing right now, why credit is back in focus, and what the wall of maturities could mean for the next stretch of the cycle. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 00:00 – Intro And Canyon’s Role In Real Estate Credit 02:50 – Matt’s Path Into Real Estate And The GFC Years 06:00 – From Walton Street To Angelo Gordon To Canyon 09:40 – How Canyon Thinks About Credit Vs Equity 14:10 – What LPs Are Looking For Right Now 18:20 – The Wall Of Maturities And Private Credit Demand 23:40 – Macro Vs Micro Data And Reading The Market 28:10 – Multifamily, Housing, And Quiet Distress 33:20 – Structuring Capital Solutions In Today’s Market 39:20 – 2026 Outlook, Refis, Recaps, And What Comes Next For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Alex Samoylovich, co-founder of CEDARst Companies, a developer who revives distressed and historic buildings. He discusses leaning into adaptive reuse and historic tax credits, stacking creative capital structures, scaling a local redeveloper into a national platform, and practical AI uses for leasing and operations. Short, strategic takes on finding opportunity where others avoid complexity.

Season 5, Episode 5: In this episode of Season 5, Jack and Alex sit down with Bill Sexton, CEO of Trimont, the largest independent commercial real estate loan servicer in the US. With Trimont now touching roughly 11% of all CRE debt nationwide, Bill offers a rare look into the mechanics behind servicing, workouts, and credit decision-making at scale. Bill walks through how servicing actually works, why distress is emerging unevenly across multifamily, office, and lodging, and what the data is signaling beneath the headlines. The conversation also digs into extensions, refinancing risk, and how lenders are navigating the back half of this cycle. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 01:00 – Bill’s Background and Entry Into Credit 06:30 – What Loan Servicers Actually Do 10:00 – Private vs. Public Credit Servicing 18:55 – Multifamily Stress Signals 26:40 – Office Risk and Capital Costs 31:40 – Lodging and Other Trouble Spots 38:45 – Extensions, Refinancing, and the Data 41:00 – Where We Are in the Cycle 46:50 – Culture, Scale, and Building Trimont For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 4: In this episode of Season 5, Jack and Alex are joined by Alex Killick, Senior Managing Director at CW Capital, one of the largest special servicers in the US. Alex pulls back the curtain on how CMBS special servicing actually works, who controls key decisions once loans move into workouts, and why today’s distress looks very different from past downturns. The conversation covers pressure points across multifamily and office, the rise of tenant fraud and insurance costs, and why many resolutions are happening quietly rather than through forced sales. A rare, ground-level view of how distress moves through the real estate system. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 01:00 – Alex’s Path to CW Capital and the GFC 06:29 – How Special Servicing and CMBS Work 08:35 – B-Piece Control and Servicer Power 14:20 – Why This Cycle Is Different 16:15 – Multifamily Stress in the Sun Belt 21:10 – Tenant Fraud, Insurance, and NOI 24:50 – Workout Decisions vs. Asset Takebacks 26:40 – Office Distress and Capital Costs 38:45 – Private Credit and Quiet Extensions 42:35 – The Metrics CW Capital Tracks For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 3: In this episode of Season 5, Jack and Alex sit down with Edward Pitoniak, CEO of VICI Properties, the REIT born out of Caesars’ bankruptcy that went on to become the dominant owner of experiential real estate in the world. Edward breaks down how VICI reshaped net lease at institutional scale, why gaming real estate proved more resilient than expected, and how skepticism turned into conviction over time. The conversation spans VICI’s evolution from Caesars to the Venetian, as well as its expansion into assets like Chelsea Piers and Great Wolf Lodge. A clear look at owning mission-critical real estate despite shifting narratives. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 00:00 – VICI’s Origin Story 03:10 – Ed’s Path to the CEO Seat 11:06 – Caesars Bankruptcy and the VICI Spin 21:09 – Wall Street Skepticism Around Gaming 25:29 – Cap Rates, Net Lease, and Scale 31:00 – The Venetian Deal with Apollo 37:58 – Cycles, Pricing, and Operator Power 43:26 – Experiential Assets Beyond Vegas 48:26 – College Sports and New Sale-Leaseback Models 51:10 – Mission-Critical Real Estate For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 2: In this episode of Season 5, Jack and Alex sit down with David Auerbach, CIO at Hoya Capital and a leading REIT strategist known for his deep read on public real estate markets. David explains the current state of REITs, where valuations stand, which sectors are positioned for recovery, and how capital is behaving differently across public vs. private markets. He highlights key themes shaping 2025–26, including liquidity pressures, balance sheet strength, and the growing gap between winners and laggards. David also shares what investors often overlook and how to read the signals that matter. A must-listen for anyone watching the REIT landscape closely. Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals. TOPICS 00:00 – Introduction 03:02 – Data Centers, Cell Towers, and Misunderstood REIT Sectors 05:02 – Media Narratives vs. Real REIT Fundamentals 07:03 – Why REITs Stay Cheap: Sentiment, Rates, and Risk Appetite 11:28 – The REIT Dividend Machine and Long-Term Compounding 17:01 – SL Green Case Study and Smart-Money Office Signals 22:40 – Sector Deep Dive: VICI, Vegas, Retail, and Data Centers 25:21 – NAV Discounts, M&A Activity, and REIT Consolidation 33:26 – Housing Crisis, SFR Growth, and Multifamily Cap Rates 43:18 – Mortgage REITs, Preferreds, and Signs of Market Turnaround For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/ Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDaily About No Cap Podcast Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate. About CRE Daily  CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.