

Two Quants and a Financial Planner
Excess Returns
Two Quants and a Financial Planner bridges the worlds of investing and financial planning to help investors achieve their long-term goals. Join Matt Zeigler, Jack Forehand and Justin Carbonneau as they cover a wide range of investing and financial planning topics that impact all of us and discuss how we can apply them in the real world to achieve the best outcomes in our financial lives.
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Mar 29, 2026 • 1h 7min
The Shock No One Can Price | The Weekly Wrap - 3/29/2026
This episode of Excess Returns Weekly Recap breaks down one of the most complex market environments in recent memory, from the global oil shock and its economic ripple effects to base rates, AI-driven productivity, and private credit risks. Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler synthesize insights from Bob Elliott, Chris Mayer, Robert, and Larry Swedroe to help investors understand what matters, what’s being mispriced, and where conviction should (and shouldn’t) exist.Topics covered:How oil supply shocks translate into inflation and reduced consumer spendingWhy oil demand is inelastic and creates mechanical economic slowdownsThe difference between consumer surplus and true productivity gains from AIWhy better tools don’t necessarily translate into higher earningsUnderstanding base rates and when it makes sense to bet against themHow extreme outliers drive market returns and portfolio constructionSurvivorship bias vs studying exceptional businesses the right wayPrivate credit risks, liquidity mechanisms, and media-driven narrativesWhy redemption fears in private credit may be overstatedThe importance of intellectual humility in macro investingWhy investors often have no edge in geopolitical forecastingIdentifying cross-asset mispricings instead of predicting outcomesHow AI may increase competition but not necessarily create more winnersThe persistence of winner-take-all dynamics across technological shiftsHow to think about conviction, uncertainty, and portfolio positioning in volatile environmentsTimestamps:00:00 Oil shock impact on consumer spending and inflation mechanics00:01:06 Why this market environment is unusually confusing for investors00:02:22 How oil supply shocks translate into price spikes and inflation00:05:20 The real-world impact of higher energy costs on household spending00:10:00 Base rates vs extreme outcomes in investing00:11:39 Survivorship bias and what investors misunderstand about outliers00:18:03 Private credit redemption risks and liquidity dynamics explained00:23:00 Media narratives vs actual cash flows in private credit funds00:27:11 AI productivity vs consumer surplus and why it matters00:30:26 Why better tools don’t always lead to higher earnings00:33:37 How to use base rates alongside conviction in investing decisions00:38:58 Why investors have no edge in predicting geopolitical outcomes00:41:00 Cross-asset signals and what markets may be mispricing00:45:12 How AI could reshape competition but not change winner dynamics00:47:57 When base rates break and how technological shifts reset expectations

Mar 22, 2026 • 1h 11min
The War No One Can Price | The Weekly Wrap – 3/22/2026
This week’s Excess Returns Weekly Wrap breaks down the biggest market drivers right now, including how markets price (or fail to price) war risk, why volatility signals are flashing unusual warnings, and what options market positioning is telling us about potential downside. Featuring Jared Dillian, Brent Kochuba and D.A. Wallach, the episode also explores how macro regime shifts are changing diversification, how the Fed is reacting to rising oil prices, and why biotech investing is essentially a portfolio of options.Topics Covered• Why markets struggle to price geopolitical risk and war probabilities• The concept of “willful ignorance” in market pricing of obvious risks• Implied vs realized volatility and what the VIX is signaling right now• Why volatility premium is near historic highs despite a relatively low VIX• How options flows and hedging activity influence stock market movements• The risk of a sudden volatility spike and what could trigger a VIX move to 40• The Fed’s dilemma with rising oil prices and inflation vs demand destruction• Why oil shocks can be both inflationary and deflationary at the same time• The idea of “path of least embarrassment” in Fed policy decisions• Biotech investing explained as a “bag of options” with probabilistic outcomes• How drug development stages impact valuation and expected returns• Regime change in markets and why stock-bond correlations have flipped• The concept of non-stationary markets and constantly changing investing rules• Why most investors fail to adapt during regime shifts• The “Awesome Portfolio” and diversification across economic regimes• How options dealer positioning and gamma exposure can amplify market moves• Why OPEX (options expiration) can act as a turning point for markets• The shift from short-term to longer-term hedging in uncertain environmentsTimestamps00:00 Why markets fail to price obvious risks like war03:30 The Ukraine example and delayed market reactions09:50 Volatility premium vs VIX and why the spread is unusual12:00 How hedging activity drives implied volatility higher16:30 Oil shock and the Fed’s policy dilemma18:40 Inflation vs demand destruction from higher energy prices23:00 Biotech investing as a portfolio of probabilistic outcomes27:00 Valuing drug pipelines using expected value and probabilities32:00 Regime change and the breakdown of stock-bond diversification35:00 Non-stationary markets and adapting to new investing rules47:00 The Awesome Portfolio and diversification across asset classes54:50 Options gamma and how dealer positioning impacts volatility57:00 Why a 2 to 3 percent drop could trigger a VIX spike to 40

Mar 14, 2026 • 1h 5min
14% for Tech. 1% for Everyone Else | The Weekly Wrap – 3/14/2026
Jim Paulsen, macro strategist who maps the ‘new era’ vs old economy. Joseph Shaposhnik, portfolio manager focused on compounding businesses and defense tailwinds. Vitaliy Katsenelson, value investor who stresses humility and diversification. They discuss AI disruption and its deflationary effects. They debate software’s vulnerability, defense spending as a long-term tailwind, and how policy shifts can reshape markets.

Mar 8, 2026 • 1h 1min
From AI Hype to Hard Money | The Weekly Market Insight – March 8, 2026
Andy Constan, market commentator who offers frameworks to judge expert claims, and Rob Arnott, investment researcher famed for asset-allocation and value work. They discuss how to filter noisy expert opinion and avoid data-mined narratives. They separate belief in AI technology from believing AI stocks, debate AI’s impact on jobs and markets, and define bubbles by implausible growth assumptions.

Feb 23, 2026 • 1h 8min
The Question No One Asks | What Great Investors Taught Us About Portfolio and Purpose
In this episode, we explore one of the most important but overlooked questions in investing: what is the purpose of your portfolio? Through a series of powerful clips and reflections from Aswath Damodaran, Meb Faber, Ben Hunt, Cullen Roche, Corey Hoffstein, Daniel Crosby, Larry Swedroe, and Wes Gray, we examine how goals like financial freedom, funded contentment, liability driven investing, retirement planning, and multi generational wealth shape the way we invest. This conversation goes beyond beating the market and focuses on preserving and growing wealth, reducing financial stress, aligning money with meaning, and defining what a life well lived truly looks like.Topics covered include:Why the end game of investing matters more than beating the marketPreserving and growing wealth vs trying to get richFreedom as the ultimate goal of financial independenceFunded contentment and what it means to live a life well livedLiability driven investing and matching assets to future needsThe difference between getting rich and staying richNeeds vs desires and understanding marginal utility of wealthRetirement planning and redefining success beyond a numberMulti generational wealth and thinking beyond your own lifetimeThe psychological impact of growing up with or without moneyFinancial freedom, stress reduction, and peace of mindTactical financial goals vs long term purpose driven investingEducation, legacy, and investing in the next generationWhy once you win the game you may not need to keep playingTimestamps:00:00 Aswath Damodaran on preserving and growing wealth10:04 Meb Faber on freedom, contentment, and the hedonic treadmill22:36 Ben Hunt on funded contentment and finding your pack28:23 Cullen Roche on risk as uncertainty of consumption33:25 Corey Hoffstein on liability driven investing and not worrying about money41:50 Daniel Crosby on financial freedom and living life on your own terms47:33 Larry Swedroe on needs vs desires and staying rich55:54 Wes Gray on big blue arrows, tactical goals, and peace of mind

Jan 4, 2026 • 1h 3min
The Retirement Rule No One Gets Right | Practical Lessons from Bill Bengen
In this episode, we discuss our biggest lessons from our interview with Bill Bengen, the creator of the 4 percent rule, and are joined by special guest Ben Tuscai.We explore how one of the most widely cited ideas in retirement planning was developed, how it is often misunderstood, and how it should actually be used in real-world financial planning. The conversation bridges academic research and practical application, digging into safe withdrawal rates, sequence of returns risk, inflation, portfolio construction, and what retirement planning really looks like across decades of uncertainty.• How and why Bill Bengen originally developed the 4 percent rule• What the 4 percent rule actually means and the most common ways it is misapplied• Why inflation and sequence of returns risk are the biggest threats to retirees• The role of diversification and asset allocation in safe withdrawal strategies• How market valuations and bond yields affect sustainable withdrawal rates• Why higher equity exposure can sometimes increase retirement safety• The evolution from the original 4 percent rule to higher safe max withdrawal rates• The psychology of retirement spending and sleeping well during market stress• Planning for longer retirements, early retirement, and rising healthcare costs• U-shaped and rising equity glide paths and why they can improve outcomes• Bucket strategies, cash reserves, and managing withdrawals through bear markets• When spending more or taking less risk makes sense after you have already “won the game”00:00 – Introduction and why the 4 percent rule still matters03:00 – Bill Bengen explains how the 4 percent rule was created06:00 – Worst historical retirement periods and inflation risk10:30 – How advisors actually use the 4 percent rule in practice15:30 – Inflation, bear markets, and sequence of returns risk18:30 – Market valuations, CAPE ratios, and withdrawal rate adjustments23:00 – Financial planning software versus simple rules of thumb27:00 – Sequence risk explained and why retirees can get hurt early31:00 – How diversification increased safe withdrawal rates over time37:00 – Safe max withdrawal rates and optimal equity allocation42:30 – Longer retirements, FIRE, and planning beyond 30 years45:30 – U-shaped and rising equity glide paths explained50:30 – Healthcare costs, longevity risk, and retirement stress testing56:30 – Bucket strategies, cash reserves, and dynamic withdrawalsMain Topics CoveredTimestamps

Nov 8, 2025 • 47min
The Most Underutilized Concept in Investing | Four Lessons from Michael Mauboussin
In this episode, we kick off our book project, "The Most Important Investing Lesson: What the World’s Best Investors Would Teach You", with a deep dive into the ideas of Michael Mauboussin. We explore his most enduring lessons—concepts that have reshaped how we think about investing, decision making, and life. From base rates to expectations investing, we unpack how Mauboussin’s frameworks can help investors build better models of the world and make more rational, probabilistic decisions.Main topics covered:Why base rates are the most underused yet powerful tool in investing and lifeHow to apply expectations investing and reverse engineer stock pricesWhy multiples are not valuation and how to earn the right to use shortcutsUnderstanding the paradox of skill and why luck matters more when everyone is goodLessons investors can apply across fields like business, sports, and personal decision makingHow humility, reference classes, and feedback loops improve judgmentReflections on learning, writing, and how AI tools are changing the creative processTimestamps:00:00 Introduction and the idea behind the book04:00 Michael Mauboussin on base rates and decision making10:00 Expectations investing and reversing the valuation process19:00 Multiples are not valuation—understanding shortcuts28:00 The paradox of skill and why luck matters more than we think38:00 How to apply these ideas in investing and life45:00 Closing thoughts and audience feedback on the book project

Aug 11, 2025 • 55min
How to Avoid Selling Your Next 100-Bagger | Practical Lessons from Chris Mayer
Dive into the wisdom of long-term investing with insights from Chris Mayer. Discover why 'dead money' can be tougher than drawdowns and learn the emotional toll of patience. Uncover the myth of catalysts while understanding the power of compounding. Understand how great businesses reveal their strengths over time and why aligning with the right mindset is crucial. Explore Buffett's evolution in value investing and see how handling uncertainty can create unique opportunities. It's a compelling journey through the challenges and strategies of building wealth.

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Jul 14, 2025 • 56min
The Fourth Turning is Here. But It Isn’t What You Think | Practical Lessons from Neil Howe
In this insightful discussion, Dave Nadig, an expert in financial markets, revisits ideas from Neil Howe, co-author of The Fourth Turning. They reveal how the so-called crisis might be more about renewal than collapse, debunking common misconceptions. The conversation touches on inflation’s role during crises, the unique leadership traits of Gen X, and millennials' rise in passive investing. They emphasize how conflict can foster community and explore the necessity of cross-generational dialogue in navigating current societal challenges.

Jul 6, 2025 • 60min
When Easy Markets Hide Hard Truths | Practical Lessons from Richard Bernstein
In this episode, we highlight the biggest lessons from our Excess Returns interview with renowned strategist Richard Bernstein. We explore the paradox of today’s markets: why they feel easy, and what hard truths may be hiding beneath the surface. From the risks of narrow market leadership to the role of structural flows and investor complacency, Richard shares practical lessons drawn from decades of market experience.We discuss:Why narrow markets may signal greater risk than investors realizeThe danger of mistaking easy markets for safe onesHow structural flows can prop up markets despite rising risksThe behavioral traps investors fall into during seemingly easy timesWhat history teaches us about mispricings and market resilienceWhether you’re focused on protecting capital or positioning for the next cycle, this conversation offers valuable insights into today’s market dynamics.


