

DePINed podcast
Fluence
DePINed is a podcast focused on the ecosystem of decentralized physical networks. DePIN companies and protocols crowdsource infrastructure such as WiFi hot spots, computer servers and even cars and, using crypto incentives, create cohesive, global networks from thousands of different providers. This podcast explores all of the use cases launching in this sector as well as the key players in financing and explaining this growing sector which will reshape a broad array of industries. Hosted by Tom Trowbridge, co-founder of Fluence, previously co-founder and president at Hedera Hashgraph.
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Aug 22, 2024 • 34min
Ronald Kogens: Legal Frameworks for Web3 and DAOs in Switzerland (#19)
In this episode of DePINed Fluence co-founder Tom Trowbridge has a discussion with Ronald Kogens, the recognized expert in technology law, particularly in the fields of blockchain, cryptocurrencies, and emerging technologies. He has extensive experience advising companies on legal, regulatory, and compliance issues related to digital assets, decentralized finance (DeFi), and blockchain technology.
Some of the main topics they explore include:
• The importance of governance models like foundations and DAOs in Web3 projects, with a focus on the flexibility of Swiss Association law;
• How Swiss law provides clear and crypto-friendly legal frameworks, making Switzerland an attractive jurisdiction for Web3 initiatives;
• The benefits of using legal wrappers for DAOs to reduce liability and ensure compliance with tax and regulatory requirements;
• Practical advice on the process, costs, and advantages of setting up Web3 projects in Switzerland, including the potential for expansion into the European Union;
• The critical role of governance in ensuring the long-term success and durability of Web3 projects;
• MME’s pioneering work in establishing governance structures that support decentralized ecosystems, with a focus on the lessons learned from previous projects.
And more!
Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/why-choose-switzerland-for-dao-governance-depined-podcast/id1765217356?i=1000666831631
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Disclaimer: The commentary in this podcast is provided for general informational purposes only and does not constitute financial, investment, tax, legal or accounting advice!

Aug 15, 2024 • 54min
Tom Fuerstner: RDDL – Tokenizing Energy for Decentralized Green Networks (#18)
In this episode of DePINed Fluence co-founder Tom Trowbridge has a discussion with Tom Fuerstner, the founder and Chief Technology Officer (CTO) of RIDDLE&CODE, a leading European company specializing in blockchain interface solutions.
Some of the main topics they explore include:
• RDDL Protocol rewards green energy contributors, from individuals to state-level grid managers;
• RDDL Network combines blockchain with energy systems, creating new financial instruments and incentives, linking decentralized finance (DeFi) with traditional energy finance;
• Energy Agents and Devices integrate tokenized energy and community dynamics;
• Decentralized Energy Networks: RDDL empowers local communities to improve energy sovereignty and resilience without relying on traditional state or institutional investors;
• RDDL Network Infrastructure: Includes energy trackers, energy agents, and hardware wallets;
• Tokenomics and Use Cases: RDDL token value correlates with surplus energy sold. Users earn tokens by contributing data, which can be used to purchase cheaper energy or access other network services;
And more!
Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/tom-fuerstner-rddl-network-depined-podcast-18/id1765217356?i=1000666831474
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Disclaimer: The commentary in this podcast is provided for general informational purposes only and does not constitute financial, investment, tax, legal or accounting advice!

Aug 8, 2024 • 44min
Paul Bohm: Teleport – Decentralized Rideshare and Blockchain Integration (#17)
In this episode of DePINed Fluence co-founder Tom Trowbridge has a discussion with Paul Bohm, the technology entrepreneur and blockchain expert, he co-founded the Teleport Project, which focuses on decentralized solutions and blockchain integration.
Some of the main topics they explore include:
• Challenges and opportunities in creating a decentralized rideshare platform to challenge existing monopolies;
• Paul's early interest in peer-to-peer software from the late 90s and early 2000s;
• The importance of having multiple operators in each market;
• The difficulties of managing two-sided marketplaces;
• Plans to share governance with platform participants;
• The need to build user-friendly, end-to-end crypto-powered products.
And more!
Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/paul-bohm-teleport-project-depined-podcast-17/id1765217356?i=1000666831632
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Disclaimer: The commentary in this podcast is provided for general informational purposes only and does not constitute financial, investment, tax, legal or accounting advice!

Aug 1, 2024 • 1h
Salvador Gala: EV3 – Exploring Decentralization and Crypto Economics (#16)
In this episode of DePINed Fluence co-founder Tom Trowbridge has a discussion with Salvador Gala, the co-founder of Escape Velocity (EV3) and co-hosts the Proof of Coverage podcast. Before EV3, Salvador was an investor at Ribbit Capital and an investment banker at Goldman Sachs.
Some of the main topics they explore include:
• Decentralization Trade-offs: Understand the benefits and challenges of decentralization in token economies;
• Crypto Journeys: Personal stories of transitioning into the crypto space and the evolving talent landscape;
• Fluence's Approach: How Fluence is building a decentralized, low-cost cloudless computing platform;
• Approximating demand for FLT through CPU staking;
• Complex crypto network economics impact crypto cycles;
• Governance-minimized DePIN protocols;
And more!
Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/salvador-gala-escape-velocity-depined-podcast-16/id1765217356?i=1000666831410
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Disclaimer: The commentary in this podcast is provided for general informational purposes only and does not constitute financial, investment, tax, legal or accounting advice!

Jul 25, 2024 • 59min
Mark Rydon: Aethir – Decentralizing GPU Access for AI and Gaming with Blockchain (#15)
In this episode of DePINed Fluence co-founder Tom Trowbridge talks Mark Rydon, the Co-founder and Chief Strategy Officer (CCO) of Aethir, a company specializing in decentralized cloud infrastructure for gaming and AI. Aethir aims to revolutionize access to high-performance GPU resources by leveraging blockchain technology to create a decentralized network.
Some of the main topics they explore include:
• Global GPU Scarcity: Aethir's solutions for AI startups and SMEs facing a shortage of GPU compute resources;
• Demand from Tech Giants: The impact of massive buy pressure from companies like Google, Microsoft, OpenAI, and Meta;
• Nvidia's Production Limits: Challenges due to Nvidia's limited chip production capacity;
• Complexity of LLMs: The increasing compute power demands of large language models like ChatGPT-4;
• Inefficient GPU Utilization: Underutilization issues in data centers;
• Community Involvement: Roles like "checkers" who verify GPU integrity and performance;
• Token Economy: Aethir's allocation of 50% of its 42 billion tokens to the community;
• Partnership with Nvidia: Access to resources and networking despite Nvidia's caution towards crypto;
• Proactive Strategy: The importance of combining infrastructure with a market-focused business development approach.
And more!
Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/mark-rydon-aethir-infrastructure-depined-podcast-15/id1765217356?i=1000666831515
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Website: https://depined.xyz/
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Disclaimer: The commentary in this podcast is provided for general informational purposes only and does not constitute financial, investment, tax, legal or accounting advice!

Jul 18, 2024 • 58min
Ryan Connor: Blockworks – Analyzing DePIN, Tokenomics, and AI’s Impact on Crypto (#14)
In this episode of DePINed Podcast co-founder Tom Trowbridge talks Ryan Connor, an analyst at Blockworks Research, a platform that provides in-depth data and analysis on the complex crypto ecosystem. He contributes to various research reports and analyses, focusing on areas like decentralized finance (DeFi), AI, and blockchain technology.
Some of the main topics they explore include:
• What DePIN is and its significance in crypto;
• Blockworks' role in standardizing research and metrics;
• The growing importance of computational power and its link to AI research;
• Current trends in CPU and GPU markets;
• Key features of Fluence's tokenomics model;
• Specialized hardware, latency sensitivity, and rewarding network participants based on contributions and risk;
• Sources of bias in AI.
And more!
Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/ryan-connor-blockworks-research-depined-podcast-14/id1765217356?i=1000666831591
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Disclaimer: The commentary in this podcast is provided for general informational purposes only and does not constitute financial, investment, tax, legal or accounting advice!

Jul 6, 2024 • 59min
Micha Benoliel: Nodle – Crowdsourcing Data and Privacy-First Decentralized Networks (#13)
In this episode of DePINed Fluence co-founder Tom Trowbridge talks to Micha Anthenor Benoliel, founder of Nodle. The Nodle network connects the world by using smartphones as nodes to create a digital trust network for social good.
The main topics discussed include:
- Nodle's first app leverages Bluetooth in smartphones to locate assets and crowdsource data;
- An app he previously created coordinated the Umbrella Movement in Hong Kong, used by hundreds of thousands;
- Micha Anthenor Benoliel discusses the Click app's potential in a $100 billion market for authenticating content and documents;
- Partnerships with companies like Vivendi emphasize decentralized communication for privacy and resilience;
- The token model includes revenue splits and community-decided incentives;
- Micha mentions projects like ZK Sync and HiveMapper and predicts Bitcoin could reach $80K to $100K by year-end;
And more!
Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/micha-anthenor-benoliel-nodle-network-depined-podcast-13/id1765217356?i=1000666831475
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Disclaimer: The commentary in this podcast is provided for general informational purposes only and does not constitute financial, investment, tax, legal or accounting advice.

Jun 29, 2024 • 57min
Alex Rawitz: DIMO – Redefining Automotive Data for Smarter Driving (#12)
In this episode of DePINed Podcast co-founder Tom Trowbridge gets a conversation with Alex Rawitz, he co-founder of DIMO, a platform focused on leveraging vehicle data to create better automotive services and experiences for drivers.
Key discussion topics include:
- The definition of DePIN and the rapid changes happening in the automotive industry
- The importance of new technology like DIMO in making an impact in the industry
- The collection and monetization of data in the automotive sector, highlighting the potential benefits of DIMO's approach
- How large companies collect and analyze our data to enhance and tailor their services, ultimately aiming to improve our daily lives
And more!
Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/alex-rawitz-dimo-ecosystem-depined-podcast-12/id1765217356?i=1000666831328
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Website: https://depined.xyz/
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Disclaimer: The commentary in this podcast is provided for general informational purposes only and does not constitute financial, investment, tax, legal or accounting advice.

Jun 20, 2024 • 56min
Ariel Seidman: Hivemapper – Decentralizing Mapping with Real-Time Data Collection (#11)
In this episode of DePINed Fluence co-founder Tom Trowbridge gets a conversation with Ariel Seidman, the CEO and co-founder of Hivemapper, a decentralized mapping platform. Hivemapper uses a network of dashcam-equipped drivers to collect real-time data, aiming to create up-to-date maps that surpass traditional services like Google Maps.
Key discussion topics include:
- Discussion on the definition of DePIN in the context of projects like HiveMapper
- Exploration of how certain factors coming together created opportunities for projects in the DePIN industry
- Detailed insights into the operations and success of HiveMapper, a prominent project within the DePIN industry
- Analysis of the role of crypto economics in shaping projects such as HiveMapper and their sustainability over time
And more!
Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/ariel-seidman-hivemapper-network-depined-podcast-11/id1765217356?i=1000666831476
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Disclaimer: The commentary in this podcast is provided for general informational purposes only and does not constitute financial, investment, tax, legal or accounting advice.

Jun 14, 2024 • 1h 7min
Greg Osuri: Akash – Decentralizing Cloud Computing and Revolutionizing GPU Access (#10)
In this episode of DePINed Fluence co-founder Tom Trowbridge gets a conversation with Greg Osuri, the founder and CEO of Akash Network, a decentralized cloud computing platform that leverages blockchain technology to provide cloud services.
Key discussion topics include:
- Defining DePIN as a mechanism leveraging decentralization to enhance resource allocation
- Akash as the world's pioneering supercloud
- The progression of hardware deployment within DePIN projects
- Granularity in selecting data centers, including their classification based on bandwidth and other metrics
- Akash's value proposition regarding GPUs: increased availability and reduced pricing
- Nvidia's strategic interest in maintaining a fragmented GPU market.
And more!
Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/greg-osuri-akash-network-depined-podcast-10/id1765217356?i=1000666831327
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