Learning Can’t Wait

In this Learning Can’t Wait episode, Hayley Spira-Bauer speaks with Dr. Mark Covelle, Administrative Director of Middle Bucks Institute of Technology, about why Career & Technical Education (CTE) is not a “second choice,” but a high-impact pathway that expands opportunity for students. Dr. Covell shares how he moved from traditional K–12 into CTE expecting it to be a temporary stop—only to experience a career-defining “epiphany” about what education should do: connect students to their futures. He addresses misconceptions fueled by “college for all” narratives and media stereotypes, argues that “college for all” unintentionally became “trades for none,” and offers a reframing: “All education is career education.” He highlights why students thrive in CTE environments—authentic practice, growth-based assessment, student agency, real-world accountability, and stronger persistence—while urging educators, families, and industry partners to stop treating “college or career” as a binary and instead embrace college and career pathways that open doors.

In Season 11, Episode 4 of Learning Can’t Wait, Hayley Spira-Bauer sits down with Chris Bennett, an “engagement architect” whose career began in video games before expanding into education and behavior design. Chris explains why engagement is not the same as learning, and why motivation is not an on/off switch—it’s a continuum that requires different supports for different learners. Drawing on self-determination theory and lessons from game design, he critiques how schools often rely on time-based progression and outdated structures that don’t connect to students’ real lives. He highlights bright spots like AI Quests (a collaboration between Google Research and Stanford) as an example of tech that can enhance pedagogy and spark curiosity. The conversation closes with a call to “AI-proof” students by building durable skills—judgment, agency, empathy, probabilistic thinking—and by using AI to automate peripheral tasks while protecting the core human relationships and decisions that matter most in teaching and learning.

In Season 11, Episode 3 of Learning Can’t Wait, Hayley Spira-Bauer speaks with Julia Bialeski—educator, author, speaker, former principal, and current district leader overseeing recruitment and hiring in a large Maryland district serving 57,000 students across 78 schools. Julia shares how her wide-ranging experiences (teacher → instructional specialist/curriculum writer → assistant principal → principal → district recruitment leader) shaped her people-first approach to education. The episode centers on her leadership mantra, “Be brave and care about people,” born from a six-word story exercise as staff returned after COVID closures—highlighting the need to pair courageous decision-making with deep care in education. Julia also offers practical insight into hiring and retaining educators: prioritize genuine care for children, build belonging from the interview experience onward, and protect teacher time, autonomy, and flexibility to support sustainability and reduce burnout.

Fleur Johnston—Founder and CEO of PeopleBench—opens by sharing her personal and professional journey, rooted in Australia and shaped by early exposure to educators “doing more with less.” She describes how studying psychology and working in early childhood environments led to a lasting fascination with adult behavior, organizational psychology, and how workplace conditions shape community impact.

In this New Season 11, first Episode of Learning Can’t Wait, John Branam and Steve Colón share the story behind the merger of Bottom Line and Get Schooled, two education nonprofits united by a shared mission to put students first. Drawing from their personal journeys as first-generation college graduates, they discuss how trust, values alignment, and a commitment to impact over ego made the merger possible. Together, they outline a new model that combines proven outcomes with national scale—supporting students from 9th grade through six months post-college—while reaffirming the long-term value of higher education as a pathway to choice-filled lives and economic mobility.

In the wrap‑up of Season 10 of the Learning Can’t Wait podcast, host Hayley Spira‑Bauer reflects on a powerful season featuring 23 conversations with education leaders, innovators, and advocates shaping the future of learning. The season explored critical themes including artificial intelligence in education, human‑centered leadership, educator well‑being, literacy transformation, inclusive design, and the importance of people—not just technology—in schools. From AI ethics and purposeful game design to rural education, behavioral support, and leadership development, Season 10 highlighted how meaningful change happens when innovation is paired with empathy, intention, and care for both students and educators. The episode serves as both a celebration of the season’s depth and a reminder that education’s progress depends on collaboration, humanity, and courageous leadership.  

In this episode of Learning Can’t Wait, host Hayley Spira-Bauer speaks with Lucy Martin of the Children’s Literacy Project about the power of storytelling to expose—and solve—the literacy crisis in America. Lucy shares her unconventional path from creative work in music, comedy, and film into documentary filmmaking focused on literacy as a justice and poverty issue. The conversation centers on Sentenced, a feature-length documentary that tells the story of adults living with illiteracy and its generational consequences, as well as the Moonshot series, which highlights districts and states—like Mississippi—that have made meaningful, systemic progress in literacy. Together, they explore why stories change culture in ways data alone cannot, how communities beyond schools can play a role, and why literacy is one of the most solvable and urgent challenges facing our education system today.

In this episode of Learning Can’t Wait, host Hayley Spira-Bauer speaks with Dr. Peter Stiepelman—former superintendent, author, and host of An Imperfect Leader—about human-centered leadership, equity, and the courage to lead without pretending to be perfect. Drawing on his journey from Long Island to Oakland, Missouri, and now Colombia, Dr. Stiepelman reflects on what leadership looks like across vastly different contexts and why vulnerability, reflection, and inclusive decision-making are essential. The conversation explores teacher retention, rural education challenges, equity work during the Black Lives Matter movement, and the power of learning from mistakes to build more just, resilient school systems.

In this episode of Learning Can’t Wait, host Hayley Spira-Bauer sits down with Dr. Jenny Nash, Head of Education Impact at LEGO Education (U.S.), to explore how hands-on, inquiry-based learning can re-engage students in classrooms amid a growing disengagement crisis. Drawing from her 20-year journey as a STEM educator and education leader, Dr. Nash explains how LEGO Education designs standards-aligned science, computer science, and AI learning experiences that make abstract concepts tangible, joyful, and meaningful. The conversation highlights the importance of teacher and student voice in product design, age-appropriate AI literacy, collaboration over isolated screen time, and redefining assessment to include durable skills like creativity, resilience, and teamwork—all with the goal of helping students build a lifelong love of learning.

In this "Learning Can't Wait" podcast episode, host Hayley Spira-Bauer interviews Dr. Melissa Sadorf, Executive Director of the National Rural Education Association (NREA), who shares her 32-year career in rural Arizona schools from teacher to superintendent before leading advocacy efforts. Sadorf defines rural beyond geography as issues of access to resources and human capital, challenges misconceptions of rural schools as "backwards" by emphasizing their role as community hubs and innovative assets, and highlights the "Why Rural Matters" report, which analyzes data across 50 states on student outcomes, mental health, policy, and more to advocate for 10 million rural students. She stresses needs like reliable funding, teacher recruitment/retention policies, and an asset-based lens, while advising new rural educators to build deep community relationships.​