

Stacking Growth | The B2B Marketing Podcast
Refine Labs
Hosted by Refine Labs, this podcasts is for marketers, by marketers.
Whether you're new or seasoned , we want to help you refine your strategies, find meaningful takeaways, and hear real, honest stories of marketers who've been able to make waves for the industry. Combining purposeful tactics and strategies across multiple areas is what it means to Stack Growth - let's help build each other up.
Whether you're new or seasoned , we want to help you refine your strategies, find meaningful takeaways, and hear real, honest stories of marketers who've been able to make waves for the industry. Combining purposeful tactics and strategies across multiple areas is what it means to Stack Growth - let's help build each other up.
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Aug 27, 2022 • 21min
S2 E33 - How to Overcome Data Analysis Paralysis
As marketers, it's very common to become overwhelmed with data. It's important to use data to tell a story, but when doing that, you have to know which pieces to use and what is just noise. In this episode, Ashley Lewin and Evan Hughes talk about how to choose the right data to tell your story, how to structure your data story, and avoid overwhelming your audience when presenting that data.
Join Stacking Growth Live every other Wednesday at 1:00 PM ET by Registering here.

Aug 25, 2022 • 23min
S2 E32 - Creating Demand With Your Target Accounts
In this episode our General Manager, Sidney Waterfall, dishes out the best ways to create demand for your target accounts. She goes over Demand 101, Reach, and Tactics as a basic strategy to get your demand creation flowing and demand capture going. Keep an eye out for more Stacking Growth Live in the near future.

Aug 23, 2022 • 56min
S2 E31 - Pipeline Source Showdown: Inbound vs. Outbound | Stacking Growth Live
Whether you want benchmark data or you're trying to convince your leadership that you need to be investing more time and resources into demand creation, this Stacking Growth Live is for you.
We analyzed pipeline source data from six B2B SaaS companies running the Refine Labs demand playbook.
We looked at:
- Pipe conversions (declared intent website conversions)
- Enterprise Outbound/”ABX”/Engaged Accounts
- Lead Gen
- Partner
- Events/Field
The results are astounding. In almost every case Pipe conversions significantly outperform every other pipeline source in win rate %, sales cycle length, number of opps, and pipeline velocity. But we didn't cherry-pick the best of the best just to prove a point. We also show some examples where Pipe conversions were not the top performer and dive into why that is the case. This new data paints a very clear picture of why you need to be creating demand as part of your go-to-market strategy.
Join Stacking Growth Live every other Wednesday at 1:00 PM ET by Registering here.

Aug 20, 2022 • 39min
S2 E30 - Early Indicators for Measuring Demand Creation Impact
You're a marketer who is totally bought into creating demand. You presented to your leadership and they agree and you're now just getting started on your demand gen journey. The common question that comes up is, "when can we expect to start seeing results?"
In this episode, Allison and Tory dive into that question exactly, but they go even further. They will touch on expectation setting to make sure your program doesn't get cut off before it ever has a chance to work and early indicators that tell you that you're making progress towards your end goal.
Subscribe to our Bi-Weekly Stacking Growth Live HERE.

Aug 18, 2022 • 52min
S2 E29 - How to Determine your Marketing Tech Stack | Darrell Alfonso
This episode is summed up with a simple question: What is marketing at your org trying to accomplish and what is necessary from a tech stack perspective to simplify and make that process as efficient and effective as possible?
Marketing is not the promotion department, or at least it isn't in companies doing marketing correctly. Good marketing should be aligned with business metrics, so in essence, good marketing is good business. In this episode, Cassidy talks with Darrell Alfonso, Marketing Operations at Amazon and Author of “The Martech Handbook”.

Aug 16, 2022 • 27min
S2 E28 - Shifting Budget from Demand Capture to Demand Creation
Over the past few years, B2B SaaS marketing teams have embraced the fact that they need to invest more in demand creation functions. In order to do that, budget has to be taken from current demand capture spend. The question is, what deserves to stay and what should be reallocated to demand creation? In this episode, Tory Kindlick talks with Sam Kuehle about the formula he has used to determine just that: what demand capture budget should stay and what should go.
Download the template from this episode here.

Aug 11, 2022 • 25min
S2 E27 - How To Test Messaging and Positioning To Increase Website Conversions
This is the first episode in a new series we are calling "Lab Experiments", where we talk to client-facing members of our team about the tests that they are currently running and the results that they are getting. In this episode, Tory Kindlick is talking with Ashley Lewin about a test she ran around messaging and positioning and how it led to a 40% increase in conversion rates.

Aug 9, 2022 • 53min
S2 E26 - How To Optimize The Inbound Sales Process for High Intent Demand
Marketing and sales have a...colorful past to say the least. Marketing complains that sales doesn't follow up on their leads. Sales complains that the leads that marketing gives are not worth following up with. In many cases, both are true.
But when marketing switches their strategy from generating high quantities of leads at any cost, which is the reason for the poor quality, it's no wonder that sales doesn't want to follow up with them. They're the ones in the trenches and they know better than anyone what types of leads close and which ones are a waste of time.
However, when marketing switches from collecting leads to creating demand, the result in the quality of "lead" that comes through gets drastically better and sales need to prioritize them.
The question becomes, how can sales and marketing work together to ensure that the people coming inbound and asking for a demo are the right people and are being followed up with in the right way?
In this episode, Carl Ferreira, Allison Loehman, Sidney Waterfall, and Cassidy Shield talk about how we do that at Refine Labs and how we help customers do the same.

Aug 4, 2022 • 32min
S2 E25 - Marketing with a Reduced Budget
Tory Kindlick hosted today's Stacking Growth episode with Darren Perucci to share tips about marketing with a reduced budget. We are seeing budgets being cut especially across the SaaS space due to the economic downturn, and as marketers we are being asked to do more with less.

Aug 2, 2022 • 36min
S2 E24 - Not All Of Your Marketing Impact Can Be Measured
This episode consists of a recording from Sidney Waterfall's appearance on the Demand Gen Chat podcast, hosted by Chili Piper. They talked through leading indicators, measuring the impact of dark social, and the importance of gathering feedback directly from your customers.


