Speaking of Alternatives

Enrique Lavín provides critical insights into investing in Mexican industrial real estate by leveraging his market expertise and corporate finance/risk-opportunity background. Laurie Chan, PGIM's Head of Alternative Investments, speaks with Enrique about the resilience of the Mexican Industrial Real Estate sector amidst U.S. trade volatility, nearshoring dynamics, and broader macro investment trends. Subscribe to Speaking of Alternatives on your favourite podcast platform. Key Takeaways: ● Trade tariff impact on the Industrial Mexican Real Estate Sector. [3:07] ● Significant Nearshoring Opportunities in Mexican Industrial Real Estate. [5:51] ● Tailwind Risk Assessment & Headwind Development Prospects. [7:39] ● Mexican Industrial Real Estate Recession Resilience. [10:22] ● Reactions to U.S. Trade Tariffs & Future Outlook. [12:22] ● Summary of Mexican Industrial Real Estate Investments. [13:57] *The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice, and should not be considered investment advice. Find Out More About Alternative Investing: PGIM Private Alternatives realestate.investorservices.emea@pgim.com @PGIM on X @PGIM on Instagram PGIM on LinkedIn Shareables: "Mexico secures, at least for now, a leading role in a global manufacturing platform." — Enrique Lavín, Head of LatAm Real Estate for PGIM #PGIMPodcasts #institutionalinvesting "A return of nearshoring will make prospective tenants once again gravitate to Mexico as a prime destination for low-cost manufacturing." — Enrique Lavín, Head of LatAm Real Estate for PGIM #PGIMPodcasts #alternativeinvesting "A revamped nearshoring wave is about to take off." — Enrique Lavín, Head of LatAm Real Estate for PGIM #PGIMPodcasts #institutionalnvesting #valueadd "Mexico's preferential position in the new trade policy will drive incremental demand for industrial real estate." — Enrique Lavín, Head of LatAm Real Estate for PGIM #investing #alternativeinvesting

Nandini Mongia is the Group Executive Chair and CEO of Prismic Life, and Mike Thompson is the Managing Director of Warburg Pincus and Head of Capital Solutions for Europe. Nandini has nearly three decades of financial and business experience supporting the insurance and reinsurance industry. Mike has 20 years of private investment experience. Keshav, Nandini, and Mike discuss the fundamental role of reinsurance in managing risk, offering financial protection, and enabling growth within the insurance industry. Moving forward, global trends indicate a growing interest and allocation towards alternative investments and private investments. Prismic Life Reinsurance, Ltd. is a global reinsurance platform in which Prudential Financial, Inc. (NYSE: PRU) (PFI) and Warburg Pincus are investors, as well as overseeing Prismic's long-term strategy through participation on its board of directors. Subscribe to Speaking of Alternatives on your favourite podcast platform. Key Takeaways: ● Reinsurance Manages Risk, Offers Financial Protection, & Enables Growth. [3:27] ● Global Trends Point Towards Alternatives & Private Investments. [6:38] ● Prismic — A Strategic Reinsurance Partner. [8:56] ● Private Alternatives are Well-Suited for Insurance. [12:22] ● Regulation's Role in Asset Liability Management. [16:31] *This episode is only for listeners in the US. All investments involve risk, including the possible loss of capital. This podcast is for informational or educational purposes. The information is not intended as investment advice and is not a recommendation about managing or investing assets.The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice. Find Out More About Alternative Investing: PGIM Private Alternatives realestate.investorservices.emea@pgim.com @PGIM on X @PGIM on Instagram PGIM on LinkedIn Shareables: "When you look at global megatrends, the balance sheet of the insurance industry as it exists today is actually not sufficient to support what we call global unmet insurance and retirement income needs." — Nandini Mongia, Group Executive Chair & CEO of Prismic Life #PGIMPodcasts #alternativeinvesting "The average insurance company historically has had a relatively unsophisticated and un-optimized asset allocation and so are leaving investment spread on the table." — Mike Thompson, Managing Director of Warburg Pincus & Head of Capital Solutions for Europe #PGIMPodcasts #institutionalnvesting #valueadd "We think the global megatrends, unoptimized balance sheets, and the opportunity to provide capital into a market where public markets have struggled, we think they are compelling ingredients for an attractive investment." — Mike Thompson, Managing Director of Warburg Pincus & Head of Capital Solutions for Europe #investing #alternativeinvesting "The long-dated nature of the liabilities in insurance and in the manner in which they are not-runnable in the same way as deposits makes them much more able to take those illiquid assets and therefore earn that illiquid premium and the excess spread." — Mike Thompson, Managing Director of Warburg Pincus & Head of Capital Solutions for Europe #investing #alts "This is an industry with an almost infinite capital need and private equity exists to fulfill capital needs." — Mike Thompson, Managing Director of Warburg Pincus & Head of Capital Solutions for Europe #investing #alts "Prismic in and of itself is an alternative. Its exposure to a wide array and diverse allocation of alternatives and that's what I think is so compelling about how it is also affecting capital markets." — Keshav Rajagopalan, Managing Director & Head of Product & Strategy at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions #institutionalnvesting #valueadd

Alfred Lerman is the Chief Investment Officer at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions and Mao Dong is the Co-Head of Portfolio Management at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions. Alfred is passionate about optimizing portfolios through a thoughtful balance of risk and return objectives. Mao's strength is in customizing portfolios based on unique client objectives. Keshav, Alfred, and Mao discuss the strategic integration of alternative investments in portfolio construction. Their analysis highlights the unique potential for portfolio customisation through the synergistic blend of private and public asset classes, coupled with robust risk mitigation strategies via meticulous underwriting and stringent covenants. Subscribe to Speaking of Alternatives on your favourite podcast platform. Key Takeaways: ● Alternatives Role in Constructing Multi-Asset Portfolios. [4:14] ● Portfolio Construction Customisation with Alternatives. [9:06] ● Dynamic Private and Alternative Asset Opportunities. [11:48] ● Managing Insurance Private Capital and Associated Risks. [14:26] ● Critical Elements of a Strong Portfolio. [17:17] *The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice, and should not be considered investment advice. Find Out More About Alternative Investing: PGIM Private Alternatives realestate.investorservices.emea@pgim.com @PGIM on X @PGIM on Instagram PGIM on LinkedIn Shareables: "There are two primary reasons why investors go in for alternatives. One, return and second diversification." — Alfred Lerman, Chief Investment Officer at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions #PGIPodcasts #institutionalinvesting "You can't just turn on and off an allocation. You need to achieve a vintage diversification." — Alfred Lerman, Chief Investment Officer at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions #PGIMPodcasts #alternativeinvesting "A rigorous underwriting process and risk management process is critical in determining suitable strategies for clients." — Mao Dong, Co-Head of Portfolio Management at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions #PGIMPodcasts #institutionalnvesting "Alternatives have become an increasingly prominent asset class in multi-asset class portfolio settings." — Mao Dong, Co-Head of Portfolio Management at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions #investing #alternativeinvesting "Private assets can play a complementary role to public markets across asset allocation." — Mao Dong, Co-Head of Portfolio Management at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions #investing #alts "Having strong convents in place and protection for the end investors are critical elements of a strong portfolio." — Mao Dong, Co-Head of Portfolio Management at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions #investing #valueadd "For institutional investors that are looking to position in this recovery sentiment we think real estate debt can provide spread premium as well as portfolio diversification benefits." — Mao Dong, Co-Head of Portfolio Management at PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions #institutionalnvesting #valueadd

Darin Bright, Head of Core Plus Strategies at PGIM Real Estate, shares his insights on the evolving landscape of real estate investing. He discusses the allure of Core Plus strategies as a tangible investment choice and emphasizes the value of strong relationships in the industry. The conversation dives into how demographic shifts and technology influence investment opportunities, particularly in senior housing. Darin also examines the challenges and potential within the office sector, highlighting key takeaways for navigating today's real estate market.

Bill Pappas is the Managing Director and Head of Core Infrastructure and Structured Credit at PGIM Private Capital. As a veteran of structured credit and finance within the infrastructure industry, he shares a wealth of experience in this episode. Keshav and Bill explore the nuanced infrastructure investment landscape through the lens of private capital and alternative investments. Their discussion covers the political and regulatory landscape, the impact of technology on energy infrastructure, and how structured solutions can enhance portfolio diversification within this complex but tangible asset class. Subscribe to Speaking of Alternatives on your favourite podcast platform. Key Takeaways: ● Infrastructure Investing in 4 Global Megatrends. [3:28] ● Navigating the Political and Regulatory Risk of Infrastructure Investments. [5:49] ● Demand for Energy Drives Diverse Infrastructure Opportunities. [12:46] ● Infrastructure Investing is Nuanced and Complex. [17:29] ● Structured Credit and Private Equity Offer a Broader Range of Solutions to Investors. [19:29] ● Infrastructure Investments May Enhance Portfolio Diversification. [21:09] *The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice, and should not be considered investment advice. Find Out More About Alternative Investing: PGIM Private Alternatives realestate.investorservices.emea@pgim.com @PGIM on X @PGIM on Instagram PGIM on LinkedIn Shareables: "With digitalization, deglobalization, demographics, and decarbonization, we are seeing a greater need for private capital solutions in all of these dimensions. You need tailored solutions beyond what traditional bank capital can provide." — Bill Pappas, Head of Core Infrastructure and Private Credit at PGIM Private Capital #PGIPodcasts #institutionalinvesting "The geopolitical landscape is more complex and dynamic and challenging than any time we've seen in recent times but the supply of capital is there in the private sector." — Bill Pappas, Head of Core Infrastructure and Private Credit at PGIM Private Capital #PGIMPodcasts #alternativeinvesting "In the U.S., data center demand is expected to grow exponentially through the end of the decade." — Bill Pappas, Head of Core Infrastructure and Private Credit at PGIM Private Capital #PGIMPodcasts #institutionalnvesting "We are seeing continued growth in investment that's driven by private equity. That's been a massive dynamic that is influencing the markets." — Bill Pappas, Head of Core Infrastructure and Private Credit at PGIM Private Capital #investing #PGIMPodcasts

Today's panel consists of Matt Harvey, Head of Direct Lending at PGIM Private Capital, Sebastiano Ferrante, Head of Europe at PGIM Real Estate, and Stephan Wessel, Managing Partner at Montana Capital Partners, a private equity secondary mid-market specialist affiliate of PGIM. Keshav and the panel examine the findings of the 2024 Alts Report to understand how institutional investors are positioning their portfolios for a risk-on environment. The discussion covers topics such as target allocations to alternatives, geographic diversification, strategy selection, and the factors influencing investment decisions. Subscribe to Speaking of Alternatives on your favourite podcast platform. Key Takeaways: ● Private Alts: Allocations and Tensions in a Risk-on Environment. [2:20] ● Manage Investment Risk Factors with Covenants and Protections. [8:16] ● Unique Variations: Positive Leverage in European Real Estate. [12:14] ● Challenges in Private Alternatives: Fundraising and Valuations. [14:53] ● Panel Unpacks Today's Investment Headlines. [19:00] ● Expected Institutional Investment Headwinds and Tailwinds of 2025. [27:56] *The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice, and should not be considered investment advice. Find Out More About Alternative Investing: To Request a Copy of the 2024 Report: PGIM.com/whats-your-alternative PGIM Private Alternatives realestate.investorservices.emea@pgim.com @PGIM on X @PGIM on Instagram PGIM on LinkedIn Shareables: "Capital generally has to be returned to portfolios before it can be re-deployed." — Matt Harvey, Head of Direct Lending at PGIM Private Capital #PGIMalts #institutionalinvesting "In the real estate market now, we see a stabilization in variations since this quarter and therefore we start seeing liquidity come back into the core space." — Sebastiano Ferrante, Head of Europe at PGIM Real Estate #PGIMPodcasts #alternativeinvesting "With digitalization, the AI portion will change real estate structurally and substantially. Don't only look at the cyclical element and cyclical opportunities, look at the structured changes that will happen to the real estate industry with the change in our societies and economies." — Sebastiano Ferrante, Head of Europe at PGIM Real Estate #PGIMalts #alternativeinvesting "If allocators expect the cost of capital to increase, irrespective of the underlying asset class, this would obviously impact valuations. This expected shift in asset prices will then trigger portfolio balancing." — Stephan Wessel Managing Partner at Montana Capital Partners #PGIMalts #investing "We will see a continuation of current trends with significant levels of uncommitted capital persisting into 2025 and beyond." — Stephan Wessel Managing Partner at Montana Capital Partners #PGIMalts #alternativeinvesting

Mariusz Banasiak, CFA, a Managing Director and Head of Local Currency Rates and FX for PGIM Fixed Income's Emerging Markets Debt Team discusses the opportunities and challenges of this rapidly changing field. Emerging market debt is highly volatile, influenced by macroeconomic, geopolitical, and local currency factors. This creates both significant risk and potential reward. Keshav and Mariusz discuss the factors that influence investments in this multifaceted debt class and forecast potential opportunities and challenges. Subscribe to Speaking of Alternatives on your favourite podcast platform. Key Takeaways: ● Experts Maximise the Potential of Emerging Market Debt Volatility. [3:11] ● Opportunities and Challenges of Emerging Market Debt. [4:49] ● Positive Structural Trends in Emerging Markets [9:24] ● Managing Risks in Geopolitics and the aftereffects of the 2024 Presidential Election. [11:50] ● How Will the U.S. Dollar Affect Currencies in Emerging Markets and Japan? [13:22] *The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice, and should not be considered investment advice. Find Out More About Alternative Investing: ● PGIM Private Alternatives ● realestate.investorservices.emea@pgim.com ● @PGIM on X ● @PGIM on Instagram ● PGIM on LinkedIn Shareables: "Tension between China and the U.S. is a major theme. It's been driving certain segments of EM debt for years and will continue to do so. This is seen as a risk but it shouldn't scare people away." — Mariusz Banasiak, Managing Director at PGIM Fixed Income #alternativeinvesting #PGIMalts "EM Central Banks cutting cycles are likely to gain momentum because inflation is well behaved." — Mariusz Banasiak, Managing Director at PGIM Fixed Income #PGIMPodcasts #alternativeinvesting "We see very little risk of a renewed default cycle in Emerging Markets." — Mariusz Banasiak, Managing Director at PGIM Fixed Income #PGIMalts #institutionalinvesting "EM share of the global GDP pie continues to grow as these economies become more diversified." — Mariusz Banasiak, Managing Director at PGIM Fixed Income #PGIMalts #investing

Jim Footh, Managing Director, Data Center Investments & Portfolio Management at PGIM real estate, discusses the fast-growing investment potential of data centers, and how AI is further fueling this trend. Data centers are one of the fastest-growing areas within real estate investing. Growth is driven by the increasing digitization of our lives and the evolution of AI. Demand for data center builds has various considerations including location, sustainable power, and tenant segments. Keshav and Jim explore the opportunities inherent in this exponential increase in the need for power. Subscribe to Speaking of Alternatives on your favourite podcast platform. Key Takeaways: ● Data Center Sector Supply-Demand Imbalance [2:27] ● Data Center Location Depends on Applications and Workload [3:31] ● Data Center Tenant Segments [9:21] ● Integrating Sustainable Power [13:29] ● Opportunities in Tier 1 and Tier 2 Data Center Markets [15:37] ● Data Center Investment Considerations [20:23] *The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice, and should not be considered investment advice. Find Out More About Alternative Investing: ● PGIM Private Alternatives ● realestate.investorservices.emea@pgim.com ● @PGIM on X ● @PGIM on Instagram ● PGIM on LinkedIn Shareables: ● "AI is going to push construction of data centers into more remote areas but there's still demand for data centers in those close in-city locations." — Jim Footh, Managing Director of Global Data Center Investments at PGIM Real Estate #alternativeinvesting #realestateinvesting ● "They are complex investments for sophisticated investors that want to come on this journey as demand for data centers continues to evolve." — Jim Footh, Managing Director of Global Data Center Investments at PGIM Real Estate #PGIMPodcasts #alternativeinvesting ● "The industry is focused on creating and evolving designs to make data centers more efficient so there is less wasted power." — Keshav Rajagopalan, Managing Director, Head of Product & Strategy, PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions #PGIMalts #investing ● "In the face of the unprecedented demand for data centers, supply will continue to be a challenge." — Keshav Rajagopalan, Managing Director, Head of Product & Strategy, PGIM Multi-Asset Solutions #PGIMalts #institutionalinvesting

Soultana Reigle, Head of U.S. Equity and Senior Portfolio Manager for U.S. Value-Add Strategies at PGIM Real Estate, traverses one of the great societal challenges in the U.S. and globally, the affordable housing market and its complex economic challenges. This conversation traverses one of the great societal challenges in the U.S. and globally; the affordable housing market. Identifying locations and building quality affordable housing is essential for those attracted to long-term investment returns while fulfilling a vital need for communities and society. Discover the benefits a skilled market analysis can bring to institutional investors. Subscribe to Speaking of Alternatives on your favourite podcast platform. Key Takeaways: ● The Affordability Gap in Housing [2:23] ● Repairing the Disrupted Real Estate Market [4:07] ● Creative Investment Opportunities in Affordable Housing [6:13] ● Alternative Investments in Affordable Housing [10:34] ● Regional Local Market Experts Equal Success [14:03] ● Public-Private Sector Collaboration Insights [18:07] *The views expressed herein are those of the speaker at the time the comments were made and may not be reflective of their current opinions and are subject to change without notice, and should not be considered investment advice. Find Out More About Alternative Investing: PGIM Private Alternatives realestate.investorservices.emea@pgim.com @PGIM on X @PGIM on Instagram PGIM on LinkedIn Shareables: "The affordability gap between owning a home and renting a home is the widest it has ever been." — Soultana Reigle, Head of U.S. Equity at PGIM Real Estate #investing #realestateinvesting "Fortunately, the fundamentals across the housing space are relatively good. So, once we get a thaw in the capital markets environment, housing should be poised for a very good few years ahead." — Soultana Reigle, Head of U.S. Equity at PGIM Real Estate #PGIMPodcasts #alternativeinvesting "The structural lack of housing supply and inability to meet the needs of a growing and changing demographic has been a retractable issue for well over a decade." — Eric Adler, President & CEO of PGIM Private Alternatives #PGIMalts #alternativeinvesting "Collaboration between the public and private sector should bear more fruit in years to come. This is a very attractive space for investors." — Eric Adler, President & CEO of PGIM Private Alternatives #PGIMalts #institutionalinvesting

Jamie Shen, Managing Director and Head of Agriculture at PGIM Real Estate, explores the transforming landscape of agricultural debt and equity, examine the mitigation of climate risk for investors and explore the balance of labor and mechanization in agriculture. This conversation provides the foundational principles at the core of agricultural investing and the challenges and opportunities available of an asset class that institutional investors are increasingly recognising as a long-term income producer with inflation-protected characteristics. Increase your knowledge of how the United States is mitigating climate risk and the income opportunities of renewable energy in the agricultural sector. Subscribe to Speaking of Alternatives on your favourite podcast platform. Key Takeaways: How the U.S. Mitigates Climate Risk for Institutional Investors [2:59] Opportunities and Challenges of Agricultural Investing [5:10] Row Crop Versus Permanent Crop Performance [9:02] Balancing Labour and Mechanisation in Agriculture [14:35] Significant Takeaways about Agricultural Investing [18:08] Find Out More About Alternative Investing: PGIM Private Alternatives realestate.investorservices.emea@pgim.com @PGIM on X @PGIM on Instagram PGIM on LinkedIn Shareables: "Land that can sustainably grow food will become more and more valuable over the long run." — Jamie Shen, Managing Director and Head of Agriculture at PGIM Real Estate #investing #alternativeinvesting "Our investment strategy continues to focus on foods that can provide people with a healthier way of life." — Jamie Shen, Managing Director and Head of Agriculture at PGIM Real Estate #agriculturalinvesting #alternativeinvesting "A lot of investors think about agriculture for the long term as an inflation hedge and as a really good source of income." — Eric Adler, President & CEO of PGIM Private Alternatives #PGIMalts #alternativeinvesting "When we are investing in properties and assets that require a lot of labour today we are making sure the ones we are investing in are designed today for the future of mechanisation." — Jamie Shen, Managing Director and Head of Agriculture at PGIM Real Estate #PGIMalts #institutionalinvesting