

Psychologists Off the Clock
Debbie Sorensen, Jill Stoddard, Yael Schonbrun, Michael Herold & Emily Edlynn
We are five experts in psychology, bringing you science-backed ideas that can help you flourish in your work, relationships, and health.
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Oct 25, 2023 • 1h 9min
326. Weight Stigma and Body Image with Sarah Pegrum
The topic of weight and body image is more prevalent in today's society than ever before. Every day we are bombarded with messages that convey the thin ideal and encourage us to strive for certain body types. Sadly, what is often overlooked is the harmful impact of these societal expectations, especially on people who don't fit the narrow definition of beauty. Our guest for this episode is Dr. Sarah Pegrum, a clinical psychologist, ACT peer-reviewed trainer, and author of the groundbreaking book "Break the Binds of Weight Stigma." Sarah provides an insightful perspective into the role of weight stigma and anti-fat bias in our culture, as well as how the wellness and health industries perpetuate these prejudices for their own gain. We discuss how this, in turn, leads to shame and consequent unhealthy behaviors and underline the importance of analyzing the "obesity epidemic" narrative more critically, as it is often more complex than it is often portrayed. Tune in for this empowering conversation on breaking free from body image struggles using Acceptance and Commitment Therapy and start embracing life to the fullest!Listen and Learn:
Sarah’s experience putting this book out into the world and her fears of being a voice on the topic of weight stigma and body image
How weight stigma manifests itself in the media and everyday conversation
Weight stigma and the negative impact it has on mental and physical health
How does the sense of belonging and fitting in pertain to weight stigma?
How our personal learning history may contribute to issues surrounding body image
How we get into patterns of avoidance and control and how that can be problematic
The emotional impact of weight stigma
How important is it to feel positive about your own body to have a healthier relationship with it?
How to apply the acceptance part of acceptance and commitment therapy when we aren't feeling so positive about our bodies
Sarah’s words of wisdom for people consumed by thoughts of body criticism
What needs to change at the cultural level in terms of weight stigma and discrimination?
Resources:
Sarah’s website
Order your copy of Sarah’s book, Break the Binds of Weight Stigma: Free Yourself from Body Image Struggles Using Acceptance and Commitment Therapy
Related Episodes:
68. Body Image and Eating Disorders with Emily Sandoz
151. Intuitive Eating with Evelyn Tribole
129. Yoga for All and Body Kindness with Jennifer Webb
231. Eating Skills and Emotional Eating with Josh Hillis
264. Raising Intuitive Eaters with Sumner Brooks and Amee Severson
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Oct 18, 2023 • 56min
325. Unseen, Unheard, Undervalued with Janina Scarlet
Unseen, unheard, undervalued - have you ever felt like that? As our guest this week, Dr. Janina Scarlet, a licensed clinical psychologist, points out, these feelings, while understandable, can be overcome. In Janina's mission to de-stigmatize loneliness and help people connect and support one another, she authored the book 'Unseen, Unheard, Undervalued: Managing Loneliness, Loss of Connection and Not Fitting in’ which serves as the backdrop for the conversation in this episode. You'll hear how to combat loneliness by understanding its dimensions, talking more about our experiences with loneliness, and seeking emotional support and self-compassion. Janina also offers many helpful tips, from finding and cultivating a ‘chosen family’ who truly sees, hears, and values you to transforming how you feel and react to shame. Don't miss this enriching conversation with Dr. Janina Scarlett!Listen and Learn:
What inspired Janina to write a book that de-stigmatizes the experience of loneliness
Why psychical loneliness and the feeling of loneliness are not the same thing
The components of loneliness - to be unseen, unheard, and unvalued
How to change the way you respond to shame
How loneliness can be addressed differently
The significance of forming relationships with people who see, hear, and value you
How to speak about and address your own feelings of loneliness using Janina’s ‘journaling in two parts’ exercise
Using ‘savoring’ as a practice to experience being fully present
Finding your ‘chosen family’
Resources:
Find out more about Dr. Janina Scarlet at her website
Order your copy of Unseen, Unheard, Undervalued: Managing Loneliness, Loss of Connection and Not Fitting in
Follow Janina on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok
About Janina Scarlet Dr. Janina Scarlet is a licensed clinical psychologist, an award-winning author, and a full-time geek. A Ukrainian-born refugee, she survived Chernobyl radiation and persecution. She immigrated to the United States at the age of 12 with her family and later, inspired by the X-Men, developed Superhero Therapy to help patients with anxiety, depression, and PTSD. Dr. Scarlet is the recipient of the Eleanor Roosevelt Human Rights Award by the United Nations Association for her work on Superhero Therapy. Her work has been featured on Yahoo!, the BBC, NPR, Sunday Times, CNN, CW, ABC, The New York Times, Forbes and many other outlets. She regularly consults on books and television shows, including HBO’s The Young Justice. She was also portrayed as a comic book character in Gail Simone’s Seven Days graphic novel. Dr. Scarlet is the Lead Trauma Specialist at the Trauma and PTSD Healing Center and the Lead Creativity Coach at Creative Community in San Diego, California.Related Episodes:
147. Extending Compassion with Janina Scarlet and Sara Schairer
32. Social Connection: Exploring Loneliness and Building Intimacy with Debbie and Diana
269. Connection Through Vulnerability with Rikke Kjelgaard
199. Belonging From the Inside Out with Meg McKelvie
281. Belonging Uncertainty and Bridging Divides with Geoffrey Cohen
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Oct 11, 2023 • 56min
324. Toxic Achievement Culture with Jennifer Wallace
Students in high-achieving schools across America are facing increased rates of anxiety, depression, and self-harm due to intense pressure to succeed. This leads educators, parents, and community leaders to grapple with a difficult question: how can we encourage excellence while avoiding overwhelming our children? In this episode, co-host Emily Edlynn interviews award-winning reporter Jennifer B. Wallace about her book, 'Never Enough: When Achievement Culture Becomes Toxic-And What We Can Do About It'. Jennifer draws importance to the framework of “mattering” as a healthy way to motivate success and shares key findings from her three-year investigation into the root of anxieties and fears parents have regarding their children's success in today's world. Additionally, she sheds light on the impact of economic scarcity and intensive parenting and offers practical strategies to combat a toxic achievement culture at home. This is a conversation not to be missed! Listen and Learn:
Why The Varsity Blues scandal inspired Jennifer to write about toxic achievement culture
What is toxic achievement culture?
What Jennifer learned from spending three years with families struggling with achievement culture while researching for her book and how it affected her on a personal level
The risks that toxic achievement cultures pose for children and teenagers
How to buffer against achievement culture at home by using the Puppy Dog Principle to minimize criticism and prioritize affection
The ways in which economic scarcity contributes to achievement pressures
The impact and experience of achievement pressure on families of color versus white families
How to lead with mattering in your parenting to give your kids healthy, sustaining motivation
The consequences of sacrificing your own mattering for the sake of your children's needs
How Jennifer sees intensive parenting contributing to toxic achievement culture and what we can do about it
Understanding grind culture and how it intersects with what Jennifer calls an ‘increasingly narrow definition of success’
What you can do to prioritize rest and moderation over productivity and achievement
Resources:
Visit Jennifer's website
Go check out The Mattering Movement
Order your copy of Jennifer’s book 'Never Enough: When Achievement Culture Becomes Toxic-And What We Can Do About It'
Follow Jennifer on Facebook and Instagram
About Jennifer Wallace Jennifer Wallace is an award-winning journalist and author of the New York Times bestselling book Never Enough: When Achievement Pressure Becomes Toxic – and What We Can Do About It. She is a frequent contributor to The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post and appears on national television to discuss her articles and relevant topics in the news. After graduating from Harvard College, Wallace began her journalism career at CBS “60 Minutes,” where she was part of a team that won The Robert F. Kennedy Awards for Excellence in Journalism. She is a Journalism Fellow at The Center for Parent and Teen Communication at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.Jennifer serves on the board of the Coalition for the Homeless in New York City, where she lives with her husband and their three children.Related Episodes
319. Autonomy-Supportive Parenting with the AMAZING Emily Edlynn
306. Screaming on the Inside: The Challenges of American Motherhood with Jessica Grose
275. Work, Parent, Thrive with Yael Schonbrun
272. Middle School Matters with Phyllis Fagell
146. Parental Burnout with Lisa Coyne
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Oct 4, 2023 • 51min
323. Introducing Our New Cohosts!
The secret is finally out! We’re kicking off an amazing new chapter for POTC this week as we reveal our two latest additions to the cohost team - Emily Edlynn and Michael Herold! It’s going to be a blast having them aboard, and we can't wait for you to discover all the invaluable wisdom and ideas they have to offer in the realm of psychology. With Emily's insight into science-based parenting guidance and Michael’s background in confidence and social skills training, they bring such a refreshing and relatable perspective, and we feel privileged to have them join the team. Listen in to get to know them better and hear what our team is most looking forward to as we start this new journey together!Listen and Learn:
Introducing our new cohosts!
Getting to know Emily and Michael on a personal and professional level
In a quick-fire round of questions, find out who worked on a Sean Connery movie, who got an email from author Bonnie Garmis, and who would like to be a hip-hop dancer in an alternate reality.
What the team are most excited about as they start this next chapter of POTC
Resources
Visit Michael’s website
Watch Michael’s TEDx talk, ‘What if I Had a Time Machine?’
Follow Michael on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and LinkedIn
Visit Emily’s website
Follow Emily on on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter
Order your copy of Emily’s book, ‘Autonomy-Supportive Parenting: Reduce Parental Burnout and Raise Competent, Confident Children’
About Michael HeroldMichael is a confidence trainer and social skills coach, based in Vienna, Austria. He's helping his clients overcome their social anxiety through Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and fun exposure exercises. (Though the jury is still out on whether they're mostly fun for him)He is also a certified therapeutic game master, utilizing the Dungeons&Dragons tabletop roleplaying game to train communication, assertiveness, and teamwork with young adults. Or actually, anyone ready to roll some dice and battle goblins in a supportive group where players want to level up (pun!) their social skills.Michael is the head coach of the L.A. based company The Art of Charm, running their confidence-building program “Unstoppable” as well as workshops on small talk, storytelling, vulnerability, and more. He is the scientific advisor and co-producer of their large podcast with more than 250 million downloads. As a member of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS), Michael is the current President of the ACT Coaching Special Interest Group with nearly 1,000 coaches worldwide, and the co-founder of the ACT in Austria Affiliate of ACBS, a nationwide meetup for ACT practitioners in Austria.He's a public speaker who has spoken at TEDx, in front of members of parliament, universities, and once in a cinema full of 500 kids high on sugary popcorn.About Emily Edlynn Emily (she/her) is a licensed clinical psychologist specializing in pediatric health psychology who works in private practice with children, teens, and adults. She has a BA in English from Smith College, a PhD in clinical psychology from Loyola University Chicago, and completed postgraduate training at Stanford and Children’s Hospital Orange County. Emily spent almost ten years working in children’s hospitals before pivoting to private practice, which allowed her to start a writing career. Emily has written her blog, The Art and Science of Mom, since 2017 and a parenting advice column for Parents.com since 2019. Emily’s writing has also appeared in the Washington Post, Scary Mommy, Good Housekeeping, Motherly, and more. She recently added author to her bio with her book, Autonomy-Supportive Parenting: Reduce Parental Burnout and Raise Competent Confident Children and has a Substack newsletter. Emily lives with her husband, three children, and two rescue dogs in Oak Park, IL where she can see Chicago’s skyline from her attic window. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 27, 2023 • 47min
322. Goodbye to Yael with Yael, Debbie and Jill
In a bittersweet episode of POTC, we say farewell to our dear friend, Yael Schonbrun, who, after six cherished years on Psychologists Off The Clock, is stepping down from her seat as cohost. We take this opportunity to express our deepest gratitude for Yael's brilliant contributions, chat about decision-making tips, reflect on some of Yael's most influential episodes, and discuss what Yael will miss most about her role as cohost. Plus, we give a sneak peek at some exciting new developments within the team! Yael, we are so honored to have had you on this podcasting adventure with us! We can’t wait to have you back on as a guest soon!Listen and Learn:
Yael walks us through her tough decision to step down as cohost and also imparts tips for navigating your own decisions in life
What new ventures lie ahead for Yael as she embarks on the next chapter of her career?
The POTC guests and episodes that had the most influence on Yael
Jill and Debbie express their gratitude for Yael and reflect on the beautiful relationship they have all developed over the years
What’s next for POTC?
Resources:
Visit Yael’s website
Sign up for Yael’s newsletter Relational: The Art and Science of Connections
Grab your copy of Yael's book, Work Parent Thrive
Follow Yael on Twitter and Instagram
Mary Louise Kelly’s book, It. Goes. So. Fast.
About Yael SchonbrunYael Schonbrun, Ph.D. is a practicing clinical psychologist, assistant professor at Brown University, relationship specialist, and a mom of three. She is the author of Work, Parent, Thrive, and her writing on work, parenting, and relationships has appeared in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, Greater Good Science Center, Behavioral Scientist, and Tricycle, among others. Her newsletter, Relational, releases bi-monthly and shares science-backed ideas and practices to grow connections. She is also newly retired from her post as Psychologists Off the Clock Co-host.Related Episodes:
24. Choosing Both: Straddling Meaningful Career and Parenthood with Yael Schonbrun
73. Essentialism with Greg McKeown
211. Subtract with Leidy Klotz
232. Grounded to Soar Into 2022 with Brad Stulberg
271. Cultivating Friendships in Adulthood Featuring Adam Dorsay
275. Work, Parent, Thrive with Yael Schonbrun
293. Quit with Annie Duke
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Sep 20, 2023 • 52min
321. Imposter No More with Jill Stoddard
Have you ever experienced the unsettling feeling of not being good enough despite all of your achievements? Do you fear being exposed as a fraud in your professional life? Prepare to be enlightened as we discuss the uncomfortable reality of imposterism with our extraordinary cohost, seasoned psychologist, and eminent author, Dr. Jill Stoddard. Jill has dedicated her professional career to helping people reach their full potential, a quest she is celebrating with the release of her latest book, Imposter No More. With her profound understanding of imposterism and her own journey to overcome self-doubt, Jill joins us for a candid conversation about defeating your inner imposter.Diving deep into the phenomenon of imposterism, Jill shares her own stories of overcoming imposter thoughts, explores its evolutionary roots and its prevalence across genders, and underscores the importance of cultivating psychological flexibility. She also guides us through practical exercises to set ourselves free from the cycles of experiential avoidance. Tune in to learn how to conquer your own imposter thoughts and take courageous steps toward your fears and insecurities to lead a more fulfilling life! Listen and Learn:
Jill's own story of imposterism in joining POTC
The difference between Jill’s book, Impostor No More, and other professional success books
How imposter thoughts might be trying to help or protect you
Who is most at risk of imposter thoughts?
How do imposter thoughts affect men and women differently?
Why the term imposter syndrome is no longer used
Imposterisms opposite - The Dunning-Kruger effect
How to know when to listen to imposter thoughts versus when to shift your attention away
What is experiential avoidance, and how does it contribute to problems caused by imposter thoughts?
How to combat imposterism with the Four P’s
How Jill overcame the fear of giving a TED Talk by asking herself, ‘what would Oprah do?’
Resources:
Learn more about Jill via her website
Find out your imposter subtype by taking Jill’s quiz
Get your copy of Jill’s latest book,Imposter No More: Overcome Self-Doubt and Imposterism to Cultivate a Successful Career
Join Jill for her workshop titled Use Acceptance & Commitment Therapy (ACT) to Help Clients Overcome Imposter "Syndrome" at the Innovations in Psychotherapy conference on October 12th-15th in beautiful Anaheim, CA.
About Jill StoddardJill Stoddard is passionate about sharing science-backed ideas from psychology to help people thrive. She is a psychologist, writer, TEDx speaker, award-winning teacher, peer-reviewed ACT trainer, and co-host of the popular Psychologists Off the Clock podcast. Dr. Stoddard is the author of three books: The Big Book of ACT Metaphors: A Practitioner’s Guide to Experiential Exercises and Metaphors in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy; Be Mighty: A Woman’s Guide to Liberation from Anxiety, Worry, and Stress Using Mindfulness and; and Imposter No More: Overcome Self-doubt and Imposterism to Cultivate a Successful Career. Her writing has also appeared in Psychology Today, Scary Mommy, Thrive Global, The Good Men Project, and Mindful Return. She regularly appears on podcasts and as an expert source for various media outlets. She lives in Newburyport, MA with her husband, two kids, and disobedient French Bulldog. Related Episodes:
189. Imposter Syndrome with Jill and Debbie
121. Be Mighty: An Episode for Stressed Out, Worried Women with Jill Stoddard
77. Acceptance and Commitment Therapy with Jill Stoddard
173. Confidence, Self-Doubt, and Overcoming Limitations with Michael Herold
107. Playing Big with Tara Mohr
1. Taking a Leap Into Something Meaningful
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Sep 13, 2023 • 1h 9min
320. Anger and Forgiveness with Robyn Walser
It’s natural for us to have feelings of anger as we navigate the obstacles of life, but if left unaddressed, they can easily consume us and negatively impact our lives in more ways than one. Forgiveness, on the other hand, can help us let go of anger, improve our mental health, and maintain healthier relationships. To explore these closely connected topics, we are thrilled to welcome back therapist Robyn Walser, who co-authored The Act Workbook for Anger alongside Manuela O'Connell. Through Robyn’s pool of expertise and her own learning history with anger, we discuss the significance of identifying the root cause of anger, in addition to how social messages, context, and cultural influences can contribute to the way we perceive and manage it. Robyn also shows us how to react to and express anger in ways that are more effective and aligned with our core values, and how, through forgiveness, we can restore relationships and pave the way to deeper healing. Join us to glean wisdom for Robyn and embark on a journey of self-discovery and a more fulfilling life!Listen and Learn:
Robyn’s learning history of anger as a child and the impact it had
How social messages, culture, and context affect how we understand, express, and perceive anger
Why do we experience anger, and why is the emotion itself not necessarily problematic?
How to recognize anger through feelings, physiological sensations, thoughts, and actions
The power of expressing anger effectively
What does it mean to forgive others and yourself?
Resources:
Learn more about Robyn’s upcoming training on ACT for Suicidal Behavior
Robyn’s Healing Trauma with A T Training
The Act Workbook for Anger by Robyn Walser and Manuela O'Connell
TLConstulation Services
Follow Robyn on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
About Robyn WalserRobyn D. Walser, PhD, works as a consultant, workshop presenter, and therapist in her private business, TLConsultation Services. She received her doctorate in clinical psychology from the University of Nevada, Reno. During her graduate studies, she developed expertise in traumatic stress, substance abuse, and acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT). She has been doing ACT workshop trainings, both nationally and internationally, since 1998, training in multiple formats and for multiple client problems.She is the author of several books, including The ACT Workbook for Anger, Learning ACT, The Heart of ACT, and Acceptance and Commitment Therapy for the Treatment of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder and Trauma-Related Problems. Related Episodes:
309. The Language of Emotions with Karla McLaren
216. Managing Anger and Irritability, Featuring Russell Kolts
276. Assertive Communication Skills with Randy Paterson
106. Therapy from “The Heart of ACT” with Robyn Walser
138. Exploring Existence and Purpose: Existentialism with Robyn Walser
98. Narcissism with Avigail Lev and Robyn Walser
118. Moral Injury and Shame with Lauren Borges and Jacob Farnsworth
190. ACT for Suicide Prevention with Sean Barnes
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Sep 6, 2023 • 1h 7min
319. Autonomy-Supportive Parenting with the AMAZING Emily Edlynn
We all want to raise our children to be self-sufficient and to explore their own identities, but it can be difficult to strike a balance between control and support. For this episode, we enlisted the guidance of Clinical Psychologist Emily Edlynn, who, through her book ‘Autonomy-Supportive Parenting’, provides parental strategies that encourage your kids to have autonomy while also establishing boundaries. We love how Emily’s compassionate, very non-judgmental approach alleviates some of the responsibilities that parents take on. You'll get so many helpful on-the-ground tools for instilling independence in your children and fostering motivation without imposing control. She also touches on questions about giving children allowances, navigating privacy, and how to reward your children in a positive way. Listen in to find out more about Emily's powerful parenting framework!Listen and Learn:
How Emily's book stands out by translating evidence from parenting research into a digestible practical guide
The internal and external factors that might contribute to controlling parenting
Adopting autonomy-supportive parenting as a way to step away from controlling behavior without giving up the responsibility of engaging in parenting that helps shape your children in healthy ways?
Strategies for encouraging active participation in chores
Why academic achievement has become a real pitfall for controlling parenting
Are there advantages to giving your child an allowance?
Navigating privacy from an autonomy-supportive parenting perspective when you might be concerned about your child’s safety
Resources:
Emily’s website
Emily’sbook Autonomy-Supportive Parenting: Reduce Parental Burnout and Raise Competent, Confident Children
Emily’s substack The Art and Science of Mom
Ask Your Mom
Follow Emily on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn
About Emily EdlynnEmily Edlynn, PhD, is a licensed clinical psychologist in private practice with specialized training in pediatric health psychology. She's the author of parenting blog The Art and Science of Mom, as well as the upcoming book Autonomy-Supportive Parenting: Reduce Parental Burnout and Raise Competent, Confident Children.Dr. Edlynn has worked as a pediatric health psychologist in two large urban hospitals and was previously an assistant professor at University of Colorado Denver School of Medicine. She's currently the Director of Pediatric Behavioral Medicine at a private practice in Oak Park, Illinois. Dr. Edlynn writes a parenting blog, The Art and Science of Mom, and has penned the advice column, Ask Your Mom, for Parents since 2019. Dr. Edlynn has been featured as a parenting expert across national outlets and is the author of Autonomy-Supportive Parenting: Reduce Parental Burnout and Raise Competent, Confident Children.Related Episodes:
14. Mindful Parenting
78. The Self-Driven Child with William Stixrud
94. Parenthood in the Age of Fear with Kim Brooks
113. Self-Compassion for Parents with Susan Pollak
137. The Complexities of Motherhood with Daphne de Marneffe
146. Parental Burnout with Lisa Coyne
149. How Not Lose It with Your Kids with Carla Naumburg
194. How to Be (and raise) an Adult with Julie Lythcott-Haims
253. Free Range Kids with Lenore Skenazy
258. How to Have a Kid and a Life with Erika Souter
267. You are Not a Horrible Parent with Carla Naumburg
275. Work, Parent, Thrive with Yael Schonbrun
143. Happier Parenting KJ Dell’Antonia
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Aug 30, 2023 • 59min
318. Your Path to Personal Change with Michelle Drapkin
If you are struggling to make positive changes in your life, our interview with Dr. Michelle Drapkin is full of inspiration on prioritizing and being compassionate with yourself, even when facing setbacks. As we dig into research-proven strategies from Michelle’s new self-help book, The Motivational Interviewing Path to Personal Change, you’ll learn how motivational interviewing works and helps you move in the direction of what's important to you and your values. If you feel stuck or unsure about where to start, Michelle's tips on identifying targets for change and how to get unstuck using change talk will help you gain clarity and momentum. Tune in to learn how to harness your intrinsic motivation so that you can understand the "Why" behind your journey and make changes that last! Listen and Learn:
What is motivational interviewing?
The stages of change and why they’re not linear
Is Michelle’s book, The Motivational Interviewing Path to Personal Change, suitable for everyone, no matter your stage of change?
Is there a more skillful way to identify targets for change and goals?
Change begins with the DARN CAT
Sustained talk vs. change talk
Michelle's top tips for creating behavioral change
What to do if you encounter a setback
Resources:
Visit Dr. Michelle Drapkin’s website
Get your copy of Michelle's book, The Motivational Interviewing Path to Personal Change: The Essential Workbook for Creating the Life You Want
The CBT Center
Follow Michelle on LinkedIn
How to Change by Katy Milkman
About Michelle DrapkinDr. Michelle Drapkin has been working in the area of behavior change for over 20 years. She is the Owner/Director of the CBT Center and previously held roles as a Senior Behavioral Scientist at BetterUp, where she worked to advance the science and practice of evidence-based coaching in the workplace, and at Johnson and Johnson where she led the development and deployment of behavior change interventions, including an intervention for wellbeing and mindfulness. She held a national position at the Department of Veterans Affairs and was on faculty at the University of Pennsylvania. She is a board-certified Clinical Psychologist who sees patients in her private practice, consults with healthcare tech startups, and delivers trainings and workshops on communication, motivation, health, and well-being at work and in life. She is the author of The Motivational Interviewing Path to Personal Change: The Essential Workbook for Creating the Life You Want.Related Episodes:
297. School of Hard Talks with Emily Kline
243. Get it Done with Ayelet Fishbach
215. How to Change with Katy Milkman
167. Get Curious and Change Unhealthy Habits with Judson Brewer
135. Power of Empathy and Motivational Interviewing with Stephen Rollnick
66. Helping People Change Using Motivational Interviewing with Nadine Mastroleo
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Aug 23, 2023 • 1h 3min
317. Growing Up in Public with Devorah Heitner
In this age of technology, our children are more exposed than ever before. As parents, it falls upon us to educate and mentor them in responsibly navigating boundaries, identity, privacy, and reputation. For this episode, we bring you Devorah Heitner, who, in her most recent book titled Growing Up in Public: Coming of Age in the Digital World, touches on many important strategies for guiding our children to live in a digital world where privacy is nonexistent and judgment is unavoidable. Devorah's book could not have come at a better time and is a tremendously valuable resource for parents, kids, and community members to draw from because she offers so much advice on having meaningful conversations with your kids that foster trust and create connectedness. Listen and Learn:
What motivated Devorah to explore the idea that our children's childhoods are much more public than ours?
What impact do constant surveillance and digital exposure have on child development?
Tips for guiding children to make thoughtful decisions in the digital age
Why a fear-based approach to protecting your child's safety can breed increased secrecy and distrust
How to move from monitoring to mentoring when teaching your kids how to wisely engage with technology
Educating your children when it comes to exposure to sex and pornography online
Why it’s important to talk with your kids about the risk of sexting and practicing safe-sexting
Devorah shares her recommendations for kids' educational resources
What is intrinsic motivation, and how does it relate to our modern world's omnipresent grade apps?
Resources:
Devorah Heitner’s website
Devorah’s books, Growing Up in Public, Coming of Age in the Digital World and Screenwise: Helping Kids Thrive (and Survive) in Their Digital World
Scarleteen and Girlology
Devorah’s Substack - Mentoring Kids in a Connected World
Follow Devorah on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter
Books referenced in this episode:
Out: A Parent's Guide to Supporting Your Lgbtqia+ Kid Through Coming Out and Beyond by John Sovec
It’s Perfectly Normal by Robie H. Harris
This Is So Awkward: Modern Puberty Explained by Cara Natterson and Vanessa Kroll Bennett
About Devorah HeitnerDr. Devorah Heitner is an author who specializes in helping kids navigate tech using practical, research-informed approaches. She has a Ph.D. in Media/Technology & Society from Northwestern University and has taught at DePaul and Northwestern. Her work on mentoring kids in a connected world has appeared in the New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, and CNN Opinion. She is a mother of a teenager of her own and the author of Screenwise: Helping Kids Thrive (and Survive) in Their Digital World and Growing Up in Public: Coming of Age in a Digital World which we are here to discuss today. Related Episodes:
78. The Self-Driven Child with Dr. William Stixrud
61. The Gift of Failure with Jessica Leahy
194. How to Be (and Raise) an Adult
297. School of Hard Talks with Emily Kline
304. The Emotional Lives of Teenagers
307. Navigating Social Media as a Parent with Cara Goodwin
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