Bobby Owsinski's Inner Circle Podcast

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Sep 24, 2024 • 50min

Episode 539 – How Gravel Museum Is Bridging the Gap Between Rock and Classical | Brad Thachuk & Steve Thachuk

In this week’s episode of the podcast, I sit down with two legends of the rock and classical music worlds, conductor Brad Thachuk and guitarist Steve Thachuk.Brad and Steve are the founders of Gravel Museum Music, an organization dedicated to preserving the rich legacy of rock music in the concert hall by presenting the repertoire with full symphony orchestra and dynamic arrangements. Some of Gravel Museum’s shows include The Music of Phil Collins & Genesis, Classic Rock Radio, Deep Purple Rising, and Symphonically Hip. Both Brad and Steve have PhDs in music as well as other impressive credentials. Brad is the music director of the Niagara Symphony Orchestra, the conductor for the Buffalo Philharmonic Orchestra’s BPO Rocks! series, and a lecturer in Orchestral Literature at the world-renowned Glenn Gould School at the Royal Conservatory of Music in Toronto.As for Steve, he is the head of guitar studies at Cal State Northridge in Los Angeles, and has appeared in recitals as a chamber musician and soloist with orchestras throughout North America and Europe.In this episode, the brothers and I discussed their amazing music career, how they went from classical music to rock back to classical again, why working in a record store was so important later in their careers, the massive prep time required for a show, how Steve worked his way through graduate school by winning guitar competitions, and more.Are you ready to meet these legends?Then tune in now.Key Takeaways:Introduction (00:00)The Gravel Museum orchestra (01:38)Creating a new show (10:22)Brad and Steve’s background (15:06)How orchestras survive (27:54)One last question (40:23)Additional Resources:Learn more about Steve’s work: https://www.steventhachuk.com/ Learn more about Brad’s work: https://www.bradleythachuk.com/ Learn more about Gravel Museum Music: https://www.gravelmuseum.com/ Get 15 quick solutions to common mix problems with my Mix Fix Playbook: https://go.bobbyowsinski.com/mixfixCheck out my best-selling books: https://bobbyowsinski.com/best-selling-books/ Discover more mixing courses: Ad link: Explore The Mixing Engineer’s Handbook (6th Edition), the go-to guide for modern mixing.Thank you for tuning in to Bobby Owsinski’s Inner Circle, the podcast that takes you deep inside the music industry. Each week, Bobby shares insights, news, analysis, and conversations with the movers and shakers shaping today’s music world.📌 Explore Bobby’s best-selling books🎙️ Nail that pro vocal sound: clear, upfront, and mix-ready. Learn how in Bobby’s Vocal Mixing Mini-Course🎧 Discover more mixing and production courses📲 Follow Bobby for more tips, insights, and updates:FacebookLinkedInInstagramBluesky🎙️ New episodes release every Tuesday at 9AM Pacific on YouTube and your favorite podcast app.Music. Business. Creativity. Straight from the Inner Circle.Produced by APodcastGeekhttps://apodcastgeek.com/
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Sep 17, 2024 • 40min

Episode 538 – The Secret to Earth, Wind & Fire's Live Sound | George Massenburg

In this week’s episode, I sit down with audio legend George Massenburg. George is a Grammy-winning producer, engineer, and educator. He has also worked with some of the biggest names in the industry, such as Earth, Wind & Fire, Dolly Parton, Linda Ronstadt, James Taylor, The Grateful Dead, and Phil Collins.A gifted audio designer, George literally invented the parametric equalizer, and his GML products are widely-known for their superior high quality. He continues that work in the digital domain today with plugins from his Massenburg Design Works.Suffice to say, George has a lot of knowledge to share with us today. And that’s exactly what he does in this week’s episode of the podcast.Listen in as he and I discuss the importance of critical listening, his lifelong quest for the perfect dynamics controller, working on Earth, Wind & Fire’s biggest hits, and much more.Are you ready?Let's dive in.Key Takeaways:Introduction (00:00)Let’s talk about dynamic control (01:16)George’s unique approach (06:57)Critical listening (13:13)George’s preferred genres to mix (27:25)The best project George ever worked on (30:20)One last question (34:27)Additional Resources:Get 15 quick solutions to common mix problems with my Mix Fix Playbook. https://go.bobbyowsinski.com/mixfixCheck out Bobby’s best-selling books: https://bobbyowsinski.com/best-selling-books/ Discover more mixing courses: https://www.bobbyowsinskicourses.com/ Follow Bobby on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BobbyOwsinskiBiz/Follow Bobby on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbyo/Follow Bobby on X: @bobbyowsinski--In this podcast, music guru Bobby Owsinski shares his personal insights on the music industry, covering news, reviews, analysis, and tips, as well as offering amazing interviews with prominent industry movers and shakers. Ad link: Explore The Mixing Engineer’s Handbook (6th Edition), the go-to guide for modern mixing.Thank you for tuning in to Bobby Owsinski’s Inner Circle, the podcast that takes you deep inside the music industry. Each week, Bobby shares insights, news, analysis, and conversations with the movers and shakers shaping today’s music world.📌 Explore Bobby’s best-selling books🎙️ Nail that pro vocal sound: clear, upfront, and mix-ready. Learn how in Bobby’s Vocal Mixing Mini-Course🎧 Discover more mixing and production courses📲 Follow Bobby for more tips, insights, and updates:FacebookLinkedInInstagramBluesky🎙️ New episodes release every Tuesday at 9AM Pacific on YouTube and your favorite podcast app.Music. Business. Creativity. Straight from the Inner Circle.Produced by APodcastGeekhttps://apodcastgeek.com/
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Sep 10, 2024 • 29min

Episode 537 – How Noctil Is Changing the Game for Music Industry Professionals Everywhere | Jacob Varghese

Is incomplete metadata keeping you from getting paid for your work? Then you definitely will want to give this week’s episode a listen!In it, I sit down with the founder and director of the metadata management company Noctil, Jacob Varghese.Jacob has over 24 years of experience leading complex technology projects in the telecom, media, and entertainment industries with Fortune 500 companies. When Jacob entered the music business, he wanted to solve technical challenges related to rights management and metadata in music.His company Noctil helps record labels, music publishers and performing rights organizations better organize, verify, and deliver their metadata in order to make sure everyone gets paid. Unfortunately there is no standardization for metadata distribution, so Noctil plays a vital role in getting the right metadata to the right music delivery service.In this episode, Jacob and I discussed the different forms of metadata, why it’s so important to music creators, so-called black box money that artists can’t get their hands on, metadata roadblocks, and so much more.Are you ready to learn more?Let’s dive in!Key Takeaways:Introduction (00:00)Why metadata is so important (01:28)Metadata requirements (03:11)How Noctil helps music professionals get paid (08:37)Jacob’s background (14:00)How changes to streaming affect metadata (19:42)Dealing with incomplete metadata (23:26)One last question (26:38)Additional Resources:Access our FREE music mixing crash course training: https://www.bobbyowsinskicourses.com/crash-site-registration?utm_source=notes&utm_medium=audio&utm_campaign=podcastCheck out Bobby’s best-selling books: https://bobbyowsinski.com/best-selling-books/ Discover more mixing courses: https://www.bobbyowsinskicourses.com/ Follow Bobby on Facebook: Ad link: Explore The Mixing Engineer’s Handbook (6th Edition), the go-to guide for modern mixing.Thank you for tuning in to Bobby Owsinski’s Inner Circle, the podcast that takes you deep inside the music industry. Each week, Bobby shares insights, news, analysis, and conversations with the movers and shakers shaping today’s music world.📌 Explore Bobby’s best-selling books🎙️ Nail that pro vocal sound: clear, upfront, and mix-ready. Learn how in Bobby’s Vocal Mixing Mini-Course🎧 Discover more mixing and production courses📲 Follow Bobby for more tips, insights, and updates:FacebookLinkedInInstagramBluesky🎙️ New episodes release every Tuesday at 9AM Pacific on YouTube and your favorite podcast app.Music. Business. Creativity. Straight from the Inner Circle.Produced by APodcastGeekhttps://apodcastgeek.com/
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Sep 3, 2024 • 39min

Episode 536 – How to Unlock Your Inner Rockstar and Take on Life’s Challenges | Mark Schulman

In this week’s episode of the podcast, I sat down with someone you’ve already met before (in fact, he was one of the first people I interviewed on my podcast, specifically in episode 51), the amazing Mark Schulman.Mark is a world-class drummer and motivational speaker. He has played with rock n’ roll royalty, manning the drum chair for everyone from Billy Idol, to Foreigner, Sheryl Crow, Cher, Stevie Nicks, Beyonce, and many other familiar names. He’s also done four world tours with P!nk over the course of fifteen years.Suffice to say, this is a man with a lot of experience in the music industry. Mark has also been presenting keynote addresses to corporate clients over the years, and his current presentation, “Hacking the Rockstar Attitude,” is a huge hit with companies like Dell, Genentech, IBM, Citi, Cisco, Walmart, and many others.In this episode, Mark and I discussed his lifelong battle with tinnitus and hearing loss, his shift from being a touring drummer to a keynote speaker, why attitude is the foundation of success, the importance of embracing change, and more.Mark also shares a sensational story about auditioning for Cher which I’m sure you’ll love.Ready?Let’s dive in.Key Takeaways:Introduction (00:00)Dealing with hearing loss as a musician (01:21)From touring to keynote speaker (07:07)Auditioning for Cher (11:51)The rockstar DNA (18:56)Discussing Mark’s books (26:45)One last question (34:05)Additional Resources:Access our FREE music mixing crash course training: https://www.bobbyowsinskicourses.com/crash-site-registration?utm_source=notes&utm_medium=audio&utm_campaign=podcastCheck out Bobby’s best-selling books: https://bobbyowsinski.com/best-selling-books/ Discover more mixing courses: https://www.bobbyowsinskicourses.com/ Follow Bobby on Facebook: Ad link: Explore The Mixing Engineer’s Handbook (6th Edition), the go-to guide for modern mixing.Thank you for tuning in to Bobby Owsinski’s Inner Circle, the podcast that takes you deep inside the music industry. Each week, Bobby shares insights, news, analysis, and conversations with the movers and shakers shaping today’s music world.📌 Explore Bobby’s best-selling books🎙️ Nail that pro vocal sound: clear, upfront, and mix-ready. Learn how in Bobby’s Vocal Mixing Mini-Course🎧 Discover more mixing and production courses📲 Follow Bobby for more tips, insights, and updates:FacebookLinkedInInstagramBluesky🎙️ New episodes release every Tuesday at 9AM Pacific on YouTube and your favorite podcast app.Music. Business. Creativity. Straight from the Inner Circle.Produced by APodcastGeekhttps://apodcastgeek.com/
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Aug 27, 2024 • 33min

Episode 535 – How Neural DSP Is Revolutionizing the Music Industry | Doug Castro & Francisco Cresp

In this week’s episode, I sit down with the co-founders of Neural DSP, Doug Castro and Francisco Cresp. For those who aren’t aware, Neural DSP manufactures the highly regarded Quad Cortex amplifier modeler as well as a line of modeling plugins.Even though Neural DSP is located in Finland, both Doug and Francisco are from Chile. They fell in love with the country and its music as high school exchange students and decided to relocate to Finland after school. After Doug developed the Darkglass bass pedals which he eventually sold to Korg, he and Francisco created Neural DSP with the idea of developing state-of-the-art amplifier simulator tools.In this episode, they will be sharing with us how they founded Neural DSP, why they decided to focus on plugins before the hardware when founding their company, what sets them apart from their competitors, and more.Are you ready?Let’s dive in.Key Takeaways:Introduction (00:00)Doug and Francisco’s backstory (01:11)Using machine learning to change the industry (06:53)Software first, hardware later (08:36)How to learn the pedal (15:56)A question about bass and guitar synthesis (26:09)What you should know about Quad Cortex (28:43)One last question (29:56)Additional Resources:Access our FREE music mixing crash course training: https://www.bobbyowsinskicourses.com/crash-site-registration?utm_source=notes&utm_medium=audio&utm_campaign=podcastCheck out Bobby’s best-selling books: https://bobbyowsinski.com/best-selling-books/ Discover more mixing courses: https://www.bobbyowsinskicourses.com/ Follow Bobby on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BobbyOwsinskiBiz/Follow Bobby on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbyo/Follow Bobby on X: @bobbyowsinskAd link: Explore The Mixing Engineer’s Handbook (6th Edition), the go-to guide for modern mixing.Thank you for tuning in to Bobby Owsinski’s Inner Circle, the podcast that takes you deep inside the music industry. Each week, Bobby shares insights, news, analysis, and conversations with the movers and shakers shaping today’s music world.📌 Explore Bobby’s best-selling books🎙️ Nail that pro vocal sound: clear, upfront, and mix-ready. Learn how in Bobby’s Vocal Mixing Mini-Course🎧 Discover more mixing and production courses📲 Follow Bobby for more tips, insights, and updates:FacebookLinkedInInstagramBluesky🎙️ New episodes release every Tuesday at 9AM Pacific on YouTube and your favorite podcast app.Music. Business. Creativity. Straight from the Inner Circle.Produced by APodcastGeekhttps://apodcastgeek.com/
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Aug 20, 2024 • 41min

Episode 534 – Remastering David Bowie’s Most Iconic Albums in Dolby Atmos | Ken Scott & Emre Ramazanoglu

In this week’s episode of the podcast, I sit down with two guests who have done the most amazing work on some of David Bowie’s most beloved albums, Ken Scott and Emre Ramazanoglu.Ken is a legendary producer and audio engineer (who also appeared on Episodes 461 and 462), who aside from being one of the five main engineers for The Beatles, has also worked on some of the most notable albums by David Bowie, Elton John, Jeff Beck, Supertramp, and so many more.Also featured is mix engineer and producer, Emre, who has a wealth of immersive mixing experience, especially in Atmos.Together, we will be discussing Ken and Emre’s involvement in remastering some of David Bowie’s most iconic albums. We’ll also be touching on the importance of modernizing old recordings to fit contemporary standards, the pair’s innovative use of Atmos in their work, the technical difficulties that come with working with Atmos mixing, and what it was like to collaborate on such ambitious projects.Ready to learn more?Tune in now.Key Takeaways:Introduction (00:00)Revisiting David Bowie (01:13)Why we shouldn’t fear innovation (02:48)Let’s talk about Atmos (05:36)Ken’s favored mixing approach (12:04)Talking ambience (17:42)Dolby Atmos in Apple Music (27:42)One last question (33:27)Additional Resources:Access our FREE music mixing crash course training: https://www.bobbyowsinskicourses.com/crash-site-registration?utm_source=notes&utm_medium=audio&utm_campaign=podcastCheck out Bobby’s best-selling books: https://bobbyowsinski.com/best-selling-books/ Discover more mixing courses: https://www.bobbyowsinskicourses.com/ Follow Bobby on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BobbyOwsinskiBiz/Follow Bobby on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbyo/Follow Bobby on X: @bobbyowsinski--In this podcast, music guru Bobby Owsinski shares his personal insights on the music industry, covering news, reviews, analysis, and tips, as well as offering amazing interviews with prominent industry mAd link: Explore The Mixing Engineer’s Handbook (6th Edition), the go-to guide for modern mixing.Thank you for tuning in to Bobby Owsinski’s Inner Circle, the podcast that takes you deep inside the music industry. Each week, Bobby shares insights, news, analysis, and conversations with the movers and shakers shaping today’s music world.📌 Explore Bobby’s best-selling books🎙️ Nail that pro vocal sound: clear, upfront, and mix-ready. Learn how in Bobby’s Vocal Mixing Mini-Course🎧 Discover more mixing and production courses📲 Follow Bobby for more tips, insights, and updates:FacebookLinkedInInstagramBluesky🎙️ New episodes release every Tuesday at 9AM Pacific on YouTube and your favorite podcast app.Music. Business. Creativity. Straight from the Inner Circle.Produced by APodcastGeekhttps://apodcastgeek.com/
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Aug 13, 2024 • 30min

Episode 533 – Alexandra Fierra on How the Demon Box Turns Noise into Music

The world of music is constantly evolving with new inventions and instruments thanks to the innovative minds of people like my guest this week, Alexandra Fierra.Her creation, the Demon Box, is almost indescribable. The device utilizes electromagnetic fields (EMF) to create and manipulate sounds from everyday electronic devices.She found inspiration in her synesthesia. This neurological condition, where senses intertwine, led her to explore the world of electromagnetic fields. We discuss all the technical aspects of the Demon Box, including its three-channel design, multiple outputs, and the ability to manipulate sounds that we may consider as noise from various electronic devices.Her vision is to make this groundbreaking instrument available to everyone, democratizing the creation of unique and experimental sounds.She gave us all the details as well as the background of the device, and who might find the box most useful.Listen in now and learn more about the infinite possibilities of the Demon Box!Key Takeaways:Introduction (00:00)The Demon Box and its use of EMF (00:07)Three-channel design and its significance (03:44)Various ways to activate and use the Demon Box (06:35)Planned Kickstarter launch and pricing details (09:55)Alexandra's background and musical journey (13:52)Evolution of the Demon Box over eight years (16:25)Target audience and potential applications (18:06)Origin and meaning of the name "Demon Box" (21:06)Analog core with digital capabilities (23:17)Alexandra's personal advice for overcoming challenges (25:22)Additional Resources:Learn more about the Demon Box: https://www.eternalresearch.com/--Connect with Bobby:Access our FREE music mixing crash course training: https://www.bobbyowsinskicourses.com/crash-site-registration?utm_source=notes&utm_medium=audio&utm_campaign=podcastFollow Bobby on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BobbyOwsinskiBiz/Follow Bobby on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbyo/Follow Bobby on X: @bobbyowsinski--In this podcast, music guru Ad link: Explore The Mixing Engineer’s Handbook (6th Edition), the go-to guide for modern mixing.Thank you for tuning in to Bobby Owsinski’s Inner Circle, the podcast that takes you deep inside the music industry. Each week, Bobby shares insights, news, analysis, and conversations with the movers and shakers shaping today’s music world.📌 Explore Bobby’s best-selling books🎙️ Nail that pro vocal sound: clear, upfront, and mix-ready. Learn how in Bobby’s Vocal Mixing Mini-Course🎧 Discover more mixing and production courses📲 Follow Bobby for more tips, insights, and updates:FacebookLinkedInInstagramBluesky🎙️ New episodes release every Tuesday at 9AM Pacific on YouTube and your favorite podcast app.Music. Business. Creativity. Straight from the Inner Circle.Produced by APodcastGeekhttps://apodcastgeek.com/
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Aug 6, 2024 • 34min

Episode 532 – Ray LeVier on Mindfulness, Overcoming Adversity, and Techniques for Being a Great Musician

They say we are the sum of our experiences, and as many musicians know, whatever life throws at us, we can take and turn into art.No one knows this better than my guest on the podcast this week, Ray LeVier.Ray is a drummer, composer, producer, author, and motivational speaker who has played and recorded with John Abercrombie, Dave Binney, KJ Denhert, Joe Locke, Francois Moutin, Wayne Krantz, Mike Stern, and Rich Tozzoli. At the age of 12, Ray suffered severe burns all over his body which left him unable to play the drums in a more ‘traditional’ way. As a result, Ray has come up with his own innovative methods to play the drums.Ray’s story is one of hope and resilience and he shares all of it with us in this episode. Listen in as we discuss Ray’s breathing techniques, how to achieve a flow state and optimal performance, how drummers with physical limitations can overcome the challenge and play effectively, why mindfulness is key to creating beautiful art, and more.Let’s dive in. var podscribeEmbedVars = { epId: 106695817, backgroundColor: 'white', font: undefined, fontColor: undefined, speakerFontColor: undefined, height: '600px', showEditButton: false, showSpeakers: true, showTimestamps: true };Ad link: Explore The Mixing Engineer’s Handbook (6th Edition), the go-to guide for modern mixing.Thank you for tuning in to Bobby Owsinski’s Inner Circle, the podcast that takes you deep inside the music industry. Each week, Bobby shares insights, news, analysis, and conversations with the movers and shakers shaping today’s music world.📌 Explore Bobby’s best-selling books🎙️ Nail that pro vocal sound: clear, upfront, and mix-ready. Learn how in Bobby’s Vocal Mixing Mini-Course🎧 Discover more mixing and production courses📲 Follow Bobby for more tips, insights, and updates:FacebookLinkedInInstagramBluesky🎙️ New episodes release every Tuesday at 9AM Pacific on YouTube and your favorite podcast app.Music. Business. Creativity. Straight from the Inner Circle.Produced by APodcastGeekhttps://apodcastgeek.com/
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Jul 30, 2024 • 44min

Episode 531 – Musician, Producer, Remixer Danny Saber

My guest this week is producer, musician and remixer Danny Saber.Danny’s worked with musical legends like David Bowie, Sheryl Crow, Marilyn Manson, U2, The Rolling Stones, Public Enemy, Willie Nelson, Ozzy Osbourne, Alice Cooper, and Madonna, among many others.He’s also contributed to television commercials for McDonald’s, Taco Bell and Coors, and soundtracks for films such as “Blade II,” and “Moulin Rouge!.”Most recently Danny’s been busy working on some recently discovered songs by the late INXS frontman Michael Hutchence, as well as a documentary on the singer’s life.During the interview we spoke about his early band days around Hollywood, getting into remixing, producing the Rolling Stones, why producing a film is way different from composing, hanging with football legend Jim Brown, and much more.I spoke with Danny via Zoom from his studio in Los Angeles. var podscribeEmbedVars = { epId: 106695817, backgroundColor: 'white', font: undefined, fontColor: undefined, speakerFontColor: undefined, height: '600px', showEditButton: false, showSpeakers: true, showTimestamps: true };Ad link: Explore The Mixing Engineer’s Handbook (6th Edition), the go-to guide for modern mixing.Thank you for tuning in to Bobby Owsinski’s Inner Circle, the podcast that takes you deep inside the music industry. Each week, Bobby shares insights, news, analysis, and conversations with the movers and shakers shaping today’s music world.📌 Explore Bobby’s best-selling books🎙️ Nail that pro vocal sound: clear, upfront, and mix-ready. Learn how in Bobby’s Vocal Mixing Mini-Course🎧 Discover more mixing and production courses📲 Follow Bobby for more tips, insights, and updates:FacebookLinkedInInstagramBluesky🎙️ New episodes release every Tuesday at 9AM Pacific on YouTube and your favorite podcast app.Music. Business. Creativity. Straight from the Inner Circle.Produced by APodcastGeekhttps://apodcastgeek.com/
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Jul 23, 2024 • 44min

Episode 530 – Beatdapp CEO Morgan Hayduk, New Delivery Format, And Vinyl Record Facts

My guest this week is Morgan Hayduk, who’s the co-founder and co-CEO of Beatdapp, a company that helps artists, labels, performance rights organizations, and streaming platforms detect fraudulent streams. Morgan started his career in music as a lobbyist for the Canadian music industry in the area of copyright protection before starting Beatdapp, although the company’s original mission was as a streaming auditing tool for record labels. After many conversations with record execs, it became clear that just about everyone in the industry was having a problem with streaming manipulation, which led to inconsistencies between sales reports and streaming services’ server logs.As a result, Beatdapp developed a tool to detect fraudulent streams and prevent them from impacting royalty payouts. Industry estimates that anywhere from 10% to 20% of all streams are fraudulent, so Beatdapp’s tool is critical to restoring full payouts to artists everywhere.During our interview, Morgan spoke about the two goals of streaming fraud, why fraud can’t be detected in a royalty statement, why even AI music companies are worried about streaming fraud, the various different types of streaming fraud, and much more.I spoke with Morgan via zoom from his office in Los Angeles. On the intro we look at potential new music delivery format, and some facts about vinyl records. var podscribeEmbedVars = { epId: 106415398, backgroundColor: 'white', font: undefined, fontColor: undefined, speakerFontColor: undefined, height: '600px', showEditButton: false, showSpeakers: true, showTimestamps: true };Ad link: Explore The Mixing Engineer’s Handbook (6th Edition), the go-to guide for modern mixing.Thank you for tuning in to Bobby Owsinski’s Inner Circle, the podcast that takes you deep inside the music industry. Each week, Bobby shares insights, news, analysis, and conversations with the movers and shakers shaping today’s music world.📌 Explore Bobby’s best-selling books🎙️ Nail that pro vocal sound: clear, upfront, and mix-ready. Learn how in Bobby’s Vocal Mixing Mini-Course🎧 Discover more mixing and production courses📲 Follow Bobby for more tips, insights, and updates:FacebookLinkedInInstagramBluesky🎙️ New episodes release every Tuesday at 9AM Pacific on YouTube and your favorite podcast app.Music. Business. Creativity. Straight from the Inner Circle.Produced by APodcastGeekhttps://apodcastgeek.com/

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