

BiggerPockets Money Podcast
BiggerPockets
Intermediate to advanced personal finance strategies for people serious about the FIRE (financial independence retire early) movement—not just dreaming about it.
Tune in on Tuesdays and Fridays for new BiggerPockets Money episodes with your hosts, Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench! Or visit BiggerPocketsMoney.com with additional resources.
Tune in on Tuesdays and Fridays for new BiggerPockets Money episodes with your hosts, Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench! Or visit BiggerPocketsMoney.com with additional resources.
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Jan 8, 2021 • 58min
160: 6 Income Streams with a W2 Job and 4 Kids: Finance Friday with Cort Johnson
Many listeners of the BiggerPockets Podcast network are resourceful when saving and earning money, but maybe not quite as resourceful as Cort Johnson. Not only does he have a full-time engineering job, which he uses to support his family, he also has 5 other streams of income on the side!From contract welding projects, to dropshipping, renting out his trailer, and even raising rabbits (seriously!), Cort has done almost everything under the sun to build up his assets. The main problem: some income streams are taking up too much time, while providing too little in return.This is a constant problem that entrepreneurs and FIRE members face, too many options! Mindy and Scott go through Cort Johnson's income, budget, expenses, and general finances to see where he should allocate his time for maximum return.This episode goes deep on the importance of scalable income and following your passions to develop side income streams that you enjoy. Cort dreams big about starting his own business, investing in multifamily property, and living financially free. As you’ll hear in this episode, he’s not far off!In This Episode We Cover
How to focus on side income streams that are worth the time
Budgeting and expense tracking so you spend less
Calculating the value of your time (so you don’t waste it)
Why you should “do what you know” if you’re going to start your own business
Turning a large single family property into a multi family for house hacking
Why dropshipping is such a great side hustle for busy people
And SO Much More!
Links from the Show
BiggerPockets Money Facebook Group
BiggerPockets Forums
Finance Review Guest Onboarding
Check the full show notes here: https://www.biggerpockets.com/moneyshow160
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Jan 4, 2021 • 1h 21min
159: How to Financially Thrive in Marriage (Even if You or Your Partner is In Debt!) with Talaat and Tai from His and Her Money
What happens when you get married and find out your partner has debt? A lot of debt...That’s a question many young couples have, shortly after finding out their significant other’s full financial picture. While it may seem scary at first, working together to solve financial problems and gravitating towards financial freedom can bring you closer together.That’s exactly what happened to Talaat and Tai McNeely from His and Her Money. Both were raised in frugal houses, but like many frugally-raised people, they split in financial directions. Tai was busy putting herself through college, debt free! On the other hand, Talaat went into the military and started spending his pay on consumer goods. The cars, the clothes, and everything in between.Tai later learned that Talaat had around $30,000 in consumer debt! So what did she do, walk away from him? Of course not! She worked with Talaat and put together a plan where they both could work hard to get out of debt.Shortly after, Talaat was debt free, so what did they do next? They bought their house, and came up with a plan to completely pay it off in 5 years (Yes, 5). Now Talaat and Tai run His and Her Money, helping other couples work together to reach their financial goals.Talaat and Tai have 7 key tips to staying happy and secure in a marriage where the finances are shared, and how to stray away from the “2-Income Trap”.In This Episode We Cover
Why you should go over finances before getting married
The importance of inspiring your partner to have the right finance mentality
The importance of introspection when dealing with a partner’s money situations
How to stray away from the “2-Income Trap”
Whether or not you should combine finances in a marriage
The pros/cons of paying off your home quickly
The 7 key tips to creating a financially harmonious relationship
And So Much More!
Links from the Show
BiggerPockets Money Facebook Group
BiggerPockets Forums
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 73 with Ramit
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 127 with Ramit
Check the full show notes here: https://www.biggerpockets.com/moneyshow159
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Jan 1, 2021 • 58min
158: Are You Under Leveraging? Finance Friday with Investor and Agent Wayne Loux
Happy New Year! With the first 2021 episode of Finance Fridays, we take a look at Wayne Loux’s investments, income streams, and overall finances. Wayne is like many of our listeners: working a W2 job, but also supporting himself and his family by having 1099 income from being a real estate agent. On top of that, Wayne has over 10 rental units, spread throughout different multifamily properties. He also has solid retirement savings and cash on hand.With all this income, Wayne wanted answers on whether or not he should lessen his time at his W2 job, take more cash out from equity in the multifamily properties he owns, and other common real estate investment questions.Scott and Mindy go through different strategies that can help Wayne grow his portfolio. From 1031 exchanges, to setting up self-directed IRAs, and cash-out refinancing to build an out of state portfolio. These are questions we hear from many investors on the BiggerPockets forums, so stay tuned because Scott and Mindy just might answer a question you’ve had!In This Episode We Cover
How to value your time as a high-earning professional
Putting family over work, even if it means stepping away from an income stream
Which investments should you put money into when all your bills are being paid?
SEP IRAs and Self-Directed IRAs
Using 1031 exchanges to lower your tax burden when investing
Finding jobs that can scale your income (and leaving those that don’t)
Whether you’re over or under leveraging your current portfolio
How to speak to your partner about big financial steps
And So Much More!
Links from the Show
BiggerPockets Money Facebook Group
BiggerPockets Forums
BiggerPockets Calculator
Check the full show notes here: https://www.biggerpockets.com/moneyshow158
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Dec 28, 2020 • 58min
157: The Money Date: What You Should (And Definitely Should Not) Do to Align Your Finances as a Couple
Calling all couples! You and your partner may be on the same page financially, or off in two different directions, regardless of where you’re at, it’s a great time to start having money dates!In this episode, Mindy and Scott are going solo, talking through why money dates are such a crucial part of any healthy relationship. This isn’t just talk, both Mindy and Scott are adamant about money dates, they do them often with their partners as well!If you’re an individual listening to this episode, you may feel a bit intimidated by the concept of a money date. Do you just sit down and talk about index funds and taxes for an hour? No! A money date can be a perfect time to be alone as a couple, talk about the future, make some positive changes, and hold each other accountable for being the best version of yourselves. If you have a partner who may be a bit averse to the concept of a money date, have no fear, Mindy and Scott have perfected their plan for setting up a successful money date, and how to make it enjoyable when you’re in it.With the new year coming up very soon, this is the perfect time to plan a money date with your special someone, you won’t regret it!In This Episode We Cover
What is a “money date”
What to do before you suggest a money date to your partner
How to make the money date successful and what topics to bring up
Following up on your money date and setting up systems for success
The importance of keeping your ideas simple in a money date
How to present the idea to a partner who may not be too keen on finances
Why money dates help create healthier, happier relationships
And So Much More!
Links from the Show
BiggerPockets Money Facebook Group
BiggerPockets Forums
Wheel of Life Worksheet
Money Date Template
Finance Review Guest Onboarding
Check the full show notes here: https://www.biggerpockets.com/moneyshow157
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Dec 21, 2020 • 1h 22min
156: The Conservative Money Cool Kid: Buying 20+ Houses in Cash with Richard Carey from Rich On Money
Most real estate investors get into real estate to get rich quick. If you’re looking to make a million dollars within your first year of real estate, this is the wrong podcast! But, if you’re looking to build a sustainable portfolio of cash flowing rentals while reaching financial independence in a very lucrative position, this is the episode for you!Richard Carey, AKA the “Conservative Money Cool Kid'' started out in the military, not knowing that real estate was the place where he would create his wealth. He started with a duplex and slowly began building his real estate empire, even while overseas. He even took a 10 year break from real estate, and was still able to grow his position to an impressive level!Real estate wasn’t the only way that Richard was investing. He was maxing out his IRAs and employee retirement accounts, investing in index funds and watching them grow more and more as he upped his contributions. Richard is a fantastic example of why you want to start investing as early as possible.While most real estate investors champion loans and leveraging as much as possible, Richard thinks differently. He finds a position of strength by not overleveraging, owning rentals outright, and having a solid safety net to depend on. Richard now sits in a great position, early in life, with a lot ahead of him!In This Episode We Cover
The importance of maxing out your retirement accounts when you’re young
How to not only pay off your rental properties, but primary home sooner
Why there is an advantage to not having too much leverage on your investments
How to test out a property manager when long-distance investing
Why you should set goals to be in a financial position of strength
Why you don’t need to be in a rush to invest right now
And So Much More!
Links from the Show
BiggerPockets Money Facebook Group
BiggerPockets Forums
BiggerPockets Podcast 268 with Rich Carey
Check the full show notes here: https://www.biggerpockets.com/moneyshow156
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Dec 14, 2020 • 1h 5min
155: Retired at 35: How Robert from Stop Ironing Shirts Achieved FI Even During The Great Recession
Robert from Stop Ironing Shirts has had quite a lucrative career path. Starting out as a bank teller in college, he learnt that he really enjoyed math that had dollar signs attached to the numbers. From there, he launched his career forward, first as a commercial banker, and later becoming a well-paid top executive.While he had a great job and a partner who was also bringing in a solid paycheck every month, he slowly started to get tired of the corporate bureaucracy, politics, location dependency, and long hours.Robert has made some mistakes on his path to early retirement. He lost money on a few real` estate deals and he even bought a brand new car (gasp!). None of this stopped him from still living below his means, siphoning off a large portion of his income for investments, and capitalizing on special programs such as the 409a plan.Robert now lives life on his schedule. Whether that be spending copious amounts of time shopping at Costco or surfing at the beach, Robert has a life where he decides what he wants to do, everyday. Thankfully, it didn’t take him 30+ years of working to get there!In This Episode We Cover
The importance of choosing a highly lucrative skill set
How to fight lifestyle creep, even when you’re making serious money
The real cost of a daily commute
How he recovered from real estate losses in 2009 (and after)
The psychological difficulties many face when retiring early
What a 409a plan is (and how high-earners can take advantage of it)
How much cash should be in reserves for financial independence
And So Much More!
Links from the Show
BiggerPockets Money Facebook Group
BiggerPockets Forums
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 153 with Bill Bengen
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 120 with Michael Kitces
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 136 with Doug Nordman
Mr. Money Mustache
The Non-Qualified Deferred Compensation Plan
Check the full show notes here: https://www.biggerpockets.com/moneyshow155
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Dec 7, 2020 • 1h 15min
154: Confessions of a Former Spender: How Allison Baggerly Paid off $110K in Loans on a Teacher’s Salary
Ever had a card declined when trying to buy the basics? That was the start of Allison Baggerly’s journey into budgeting and saving.As a big spender in college, Allison didn’t see a real reason to save instead of spend. She would take herself on frequent trips to the mall to treat herself when she aced a test, or make herself feel better if she flunked one.It wasn’t until her first son was born that her and her husband realized they wouldn’t have enough in the budget to pay for childcare costs, and thus, the Inspired Budget was born!After a few years of limited spending and frequent budget analyzing, Allison and her Husband paid off over $110,000+ in debt and are now on their way to financial abundance.Allison talks about the importance of giving yourself spending, investing, and saving allowances and how you don’t need to sacrifice everything to become financially safe!In This Episode We Cover
The importance of setting budgets early on in life (and keeping up with them)
Changing the “how much do I have to spend” mindset into a “how much do I have to save” way of thinking
Why you need to own your relationship with money
How to have financial talks with your partner (even when it’s awkward)
Why you need spending allowances so you can enjoy your money
Why investing isn’t a linear path, but a rollercoaster (and why the dips don’t define you!)
Refusing the mental trap of “I can’t be rich” while being at a low-income job
And So Much More!
Links from the Show
BiggerPockets Money Facebook Group
BiggerPockets Forums
Check the full show notes here: https://www.biggerpockets.com/moneyshow154
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Nov 30, 2020 • 1h 5min
153: Bill Bengen (The Inventor of the 4% Rule) Talks Retirement, Past Crashes, and How You Can Withdraw Even More!
Bill Bengen, renowned financial advisor and creator of the 4% rule, shares his insights on retirement planning and portfolio management. He explains how he devised the 4% rule and why it remains relevant today. The conversation highlights the impact of inflation and the psychological challenges retirees face during market downturns. Bengen also discusses the importance of strategic investment choices and diversification, while cautioning against the pitfalls of '1 more year syndrome'—a common retirement misstep.

Nov 23, 2020 • 1h 9min
152: Reaching Financial Independence Despite a Very Late Start with Baby Boomer Super Saver
To say that Kathy from Baby Boomer Super Saver had a difficult journey ahead of her is an understatement. She was $70,000 in credit card debt, with a big mortgage, and a spouse that had a medical emergency. So how did she make her way to the millionaire retirement level?Through financial management communities like the FIRE movement, she was able to correct her spending faults, earn more, and invest most of her income into retirement accounts.Kathy put in the work to change her mindset about money as a whole, and reach for abundance instead of just survival. Now, Kathy teaches others how they can reach their retirement goals (even if they’re behind where they want to be) on her Baby Boomer Super Saver blog.Whether you’re just starting your career, or are a few years away from retirement, Kathy has some incredible tips on money management, maxing out retirement contributions, and being intentional with your money and your journey.In This Episode We Cover
How to reach your retirement goals even if you start later in life
Snowballing your debt so you can save more
Changing your financial mindset to get where you need to be
The 2 key ways to get your retirement savings up
How catchup contribution accounts like the 457b plan can accelerate your investing
Being intentional with your money while lining up your saving/investing with your values
The importance of educating yourself and not relying entirely on others for financial advice
And SO much more!
Links from the Show
BiggerPockets Money Facebook Group
BiggerPockets Forums
Dave Ramsey
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 18 with Mad Fientist
Check the full show notes here: https://www.biggerpockets.com/moneyshow152
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Nov 16, 2020 • 1h 11min
151: From Single Dad w/ $61K in Student Loans to Financially Savvy Real Estate Investor with Tony J Robinson
You may know Tony J Robinson as the co-host of the Real Estate Rookie podcast, but you probably don’t know his backstory.As a single dad working his way through college and student debt, Tony knew that he needed to have a plan in place to pursue his goals and find financial freedom. He also knew he didn’t want to repeat the same real estate mistakes as his parents.He went from an engineering student, to owning a small tutoring business, to marketing, and finally landed a sweet gig at Tesla!After paying off debt, creating a healthy reserve fund, and divvying his money into over 20 different checking accounts (yes, 20+), he was able to reap the rewards of smart financial management and chase down freedom through real estate.If you’re trying to consolidate debt, find ways to make more money at a job, or leverage creative funding to finance your next deal, Tony has a solution to your problem.In This Episode We Cover
How job jumping can accelerate your raises and income growth
Why EVERY investor (and person in general) needs a healthy cash reserve
The importance of talking to your children about finance
Why being good at math doesn’t mean you’re great at financial management
How paying off debt can drive investment funding
How to fight lifestyle/income creep so you can live below your means
The strategy to leverage your stock portfolio for real estate funding
Creating the “why” behind financial decisions
And so much more!
Links from the Show
BiggerPockets Money Facebook Group
BiggerPockets Forums
Dave Ramsey's Envelope System Explained
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 149 with Nick Groover
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 112 with Natalie Kolodij
Rookie Podcast 10 with Tony Robinson
Rookie Podcast 37 with Tony Robinson
Check the full show notes here: https://www.biggerpockets.com/moneyshow151
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