

Masters of Moments
Jake Wurzak
Masters of Moments involves conversations with top entrepreneurs and business leaders about hospitality, Real Estate investing, and company building. We explore the ideas, strategies, and approaches that brought them to where they are today. This podcast is for you if you are a seasoned investor, an upstart entrepreneur, or someone looking to break into the real estate and hospitality investing world. Jake Wurzak is the CEO of DoveHill Capital Management and Wurzak Hotel Group, a leading vertically integrated hospitality investment platform. Since 2011, he’s led the investment of $1.5 billion in hotel assets throughout the country. Follow Jake on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JWurzak Take the Hospitality Real Estate Investing Masterclass: https://learn.jakewurzak.com/ Subscribe to the show on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzvzdJASDiEXhV9VhkaEoWA Learn How to Invest with DoveHill: https://dovehillcos.junipersquare.com/portal/view_lead_capture_form/MzhmOGE4MTUwMjZhNDZkNmU1MGE0NmYwOTdhZjk2MzAxYzE0MjIzMGdBV1ZEUUFBQUFBQUFBQW9UVzhJVFdzTlRrNkpkSlF1 DoveHill: www.dovehillcos.com
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Sep 6, 2023 • 1h 13min
A Deep Dive into Value-Add Urban Real Estate with Scott Sherman - Founder & Principal of Torose Equities
Scott is responsible for strategic direction, sourcing investment opportunities, capital markets and operations for the firm. Prior to launching Torose, Scott co-founded Tricera Capital where he led the charge on strategic direction, capital markets and sourcing investment opportunities. In this role, Scott built a portfolio in excess of $700M over five years and consistently delivered returns in excess of 20% IRR and a 2x multiple across realized investments. Scott maintains ownership and major decisions across the Tricera portfolio and continues to be a minority owner of Tricera Capital. Torose Equities is a Miami-based real estate investment firm with several different verticals, including a value-add urban retail, office, and mixed-use strategy within the Southeastern United States. On this episode, Jake & Scott discuss: Important retail trends that will shape the next decade The science of placemaking The opportunity for Office Working with Family Office Investors Building Torose Equities Connect & Invest with Jake: Follow Jake on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jwurzak Take the Hospitality Investing Masterclass: https://learn.jakewurzak.com/ Learn How to Invest with DoveHill: https://bit.ly/3yg8Pwo Links: Torose Equities Scott on LinkedIn Assembly Row Boston Ennet Perry Cabin Topics: (00:01:40) Scott’s background and career (00:10:37) Learnings from working in international markets (00:13:16) How are you choosing what markets to choose on now? (00:15:14) Risk and reward in investing (00:17:57) What is your competitive edge? (00:19:12) What are some important retail trends that will shape the industry over the next decade? (00:21:40) What’s important for Office investors over the next 5-10 years? (00:27:40) Pros and Cons of Commercial and Retail Investing (00:29:38) Placemaking (00:36:40) What do you look for in locations for the success of retail? (00:39:47) What is the opportunity for Office in Florida? (00:42:32) Developing a 350k sqft covered land play (00:48:18) How are you finding Family Office investors? (00:49:17) Co-GP opportunities (00:50:14) Characteristics of good partners (00:51:26) Building Torose Equities (01:01:16) How are you sourcing deals? (01:05:06) What’s your approach to value-add? (01:09:11) What processes have you implemented in your company? (01:11:33) What is your favorite hotel?

Aug 30, 2023 • 1h 16min
The Family that Transformed Fort Lauderdale - Dev Motwani - Managing Partner of Merrimac Ventures
Dev Motwani, Managing Partner of Merrimac Ventures, discusses his upbringing in the family hotel business, meeting Donald Trump, and acquiring a full city block of real estate. They also talk about raising capital, key characteristics of land sites, working with LPs, and investing in other parts of FL.

Aug 23, 2023 • 1h 24min
Homi Vazifdar - Founder & Exec. Director at The Canyon Group - Building the Future of Luxury Hospitality
Homi Vazifdar is Founder and Exec. Director of the Canyon Group, a boutique private equity company, based in Larkspur, California just of north San Francisco. The Canyon Group, which was co-founded by Vazifdar in 2005, owns and/or develops ultra-luxury resorts in exotic destinations around the world. The Company currently owns assets in North America, Latin America, Mexico and the South Pacific. The Canyon Group’s resorts are managed by marquis brands such as Amanresorts, Six Senses, Four Seasons Hotels & Resorts and Hyatt Hotels and Resorts. Under Vazifdar’s leadership, many of the Canyon Group’s ultra-luxury assets have achieved high global accolades and are considered the “Best in Class” with extraordinarily high occupancies and rates. On this episode, Jake and Homi discuss:- Selling a brand for $2m per key- Building Amangiri and Amangani- How to make experiential luxury work- How to make select service hotels work Links:CanyonHomi on LinkedIn Connect & Invest with Jake:Follow Jake on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jwurzakTake the Hospitality Investing Masterclass: https://learn.jakewurzak.com/Learn How to Invest with DoveHill: https://bit.ly/3yg8Pwo Topics:(00:01:55) Homi’s journey into Real Estate and hospitality (00:07:42) What is most important when you are reinventing yourself? (00:08:43) Building Canyon and the focus on ultra-luxury assets (00:28:24) Swapping federally controlled land and creating a profitable asset in remote Utah (00:48:47) How do you make a tent experience work? (00:54:44) How do you find labor and built infrastructure in these remote areas? (00:58:22) Is establishing a sense of community at a resort important? (01:04:00) How have you learned to invest and stay afloat during cycles? (01:13:11) What will be the biggest challenge in replicating this new concept? (01:15:11) Homi’s select service hotel (01:21:23) What is your favorite hotel?

Aug 16, 2023 • 1h 1min
Mauro Governato - General Manager of Château de la Messardière - Operating One of the World's Greatest Ultra-Luxury Hotels
Mauro began his career in the food and beverage industry, working in Michelin-starred restaurants across Europe for a 15-year period. Having worked in Hong Kong, London, Paris, Lisbon, Rome, Milan, the Maldives, Mauritius, and the Bahamas, he has a wealth of international experience with luxury institutions and brands. Born and raised in Turin, Italy and fluent in English, Italian, French and German, Governato is particularly focused on guest experience, believing that "luxury service should happen without guests knowing where it comes from." On this episode, Jake and Mauro discuss: How Mauro approaches managing an ultra-luxury hotel The story of the Château de la Messardière How luxury and experiential travel has changed Balancing how you create moments in a hotel with profitability Links: Mauro on LinkedIn Château de la Messardière Connect & Invest with Jake: Follow Jake on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jwurzak Take the Hospitality Investing Masterclass: https://learn.jakewurzak.com/ Learn How to Invest with DoveHill: https://bit.ly/3yg8Pwo Topics: (00:02:12) Mauro’s background and career (00:07:33) Insights and advantages of starting in Hospitality on the F&B side (00:10:18) How do you recognize a guest? (00:13:22) Mauro’s management style (00:16:47) Experiences working in the Maldives (00:20:47) The story of the Château de la Messardière (00:25:52) Balancing creating moments with hotel profitability (00:36:42) The most important physical components of a luxury resort (00:41:28) How has luxury and experiential travel changed in the last 5 years? (00:46:05) How have you built a culture of always finding ways to continuously enhance the visual moments? (00:50:21) What would surprise people most about operating an ultra-luxury hotel? (00:53:49) Why do hoteliers mess up the F&B program so often? (00:56:25) What’s the best way to work with a partner (00:58:48) What is your favorite hotel?

Aug 9, 2023 • 1h 33min
#25: Sean Hehir - CEO of Trinity Investments
Sean is a Principal and Managing Partner of Trinity Investments as well as the President and Chief Executive Officer of Trinity Investments and Trinity Fund Advisors LLC. He oversees the firms’ investment activities, including sourcing and executing investment opportunities, formulating investment strategies, and structuring acquisitions and dispositions. Prior to joining Trinity, Mr. Hehir worked for HVS International. Mr. Hehir received a Bachelor of Science Degree in Hotel Administration from Cornell University and a Diploma in Hotel Administration from the Hotel Institute Montreux, Switzerland. On this episode, Sean and Jake discuss: Executing $500m of renovation projects Raising capital Fostering a no-asshole culture Strategies and deal criteria Connect & Invest with Jake: Follow Jake on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jwurzak Take the Hospitality Investing Masterclass: https://learn.jakewurzak.com/ Learn How to Invest with DoveHill: https://bit.ly/3yg8Pwo Links: Sean on LinkedIn Trinity Investments Topics: (00:02:11) Sean’s journey from Botswana to the United States (00:06:50) Influences on Sean’s investment decisions (00:07:56) Where do you see hotel labor moving within the US? (00:10:31) How did you learn to be an investor? (00:13:49) Why drew you to hospitality? (00:16:25) Does being in Hawaii make you feel left out? (00:17:53) What trends are you focusing on now that will pay dividends in the next decade? (00:22:10) Executing $500m of renovation projects (00:26:02) Raising Capital (00:27:48) Do you fear more pain in the hotel industry? (00:29:39) Where will you be investing as we enter another cycle? (00:31:18) Learnings from the GFC (00:33:04) What is a GP fund? (00::36:43) How do you go to major banks and raise from them? (00:39:57) How do you design your fee structure? (00:40:55) What did you learn from the GFC that showed you the massive opportunity coming from Covid? (00:45:41) How do you think about the enterprise value? (00:48:16) Thoughts on WFH from a business owner perspective (00:51:19) Fostering a no-asshole culture (00:52:36) The process of raising funds (00:59:28) How do you execute your business plan with an existing manager in place? (01:02:18) How do a 4 Seasons and Hilton differentiate in their focuses? (01:04:07) Navigating luxury F&B and discussing deals (01:12:05) Strategy and deal criteria (01:12:08) Micro resorts (01:25:23) What makes a great partner? (01:29:00) What is your favorite hotel?

Aug 2, 2023 • 1h 25min
#24: Mehul Patel - CEO of NewcrestImage
NewcrestImage is a privately held family office investment firm based in Dallas, Texas, with an extensive portfolio of diversified real estate assets and alternative investments. They've conducted 277 hotel transactions and $2.7 billion in real estate transactions across 148 cities. Mehul's start in the hotel business came when he and his family moved to Garland, Texas, from India when he was 13. From 1990 to 1993 he and his family worked and lived in a hotel-his parents as room attendants and Patel and his brother as everything from front-desk clerks to landscapers. On this episode, Mehul and Jake discuss: NewcrestImages's process for purchasing portfolios How they raise capital Knowing which deals to pursue and stay away from How and why they purchased a bank Connect & Invest with Jake: Follow Jake on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jwurzak Take the Hospitality Investing Masterclass: https://learn.jakewurzak.com/ Learn How to Invest with DoveHill: https://bit.ly/3yg8Pwo Links: NewcrestImage Mehul on LinkedIn Topics: (00:00:00) Mehul’s journey into hospitality (00:13:05) Buying a portfolio of hotels from Blackstone (00:15:14) Is there less risk in buying a portfolio vs. one-off assets? (00:20:24) How do you raise capital in a portfolio acquisition? (00:23:27) Who on your team leads an acquisition and what are you most focused on in diligence? (00:27:38) What are you doing on an asset management level that the larger organizations aren’t? (00:33:51) What type of deals do you know to stay away from? (00:35:12) Why have you found Ground Lease to be painful? (00:41:13) What is the biggest opportunity you’re seeing today? (00:47:10) How do you think about ROI in the renovations you’re doing? (00:52:59) Is there one asset class you’ll lean into over the next cycle? (01:00:57) How do you reconcile that the real estate is more valuable than the building itself? (01:03:56) A walkthrough of an acquisition (01:13:09) Are there any never-sell assets in your portfolio? (01:14:12) Buying a bank (01:23:16) What’s your favorite hotel?

Jul 26, 2023 • 1h 18min
#23: Brady Cobb - Founder of Sunburn Cannabis
Selling weed is in Brady Cobb's blood. Using shrimp boats and a suntan lotion company as a cover, his father, Bill Cobb, ran one of the country's largest pot smuggling enterprises in the 1980s, until the federal government arrested him and shut down the $300 million ring during "Operation Sunburn." The younger Cobb became a lawyer and cannabis lobbyist before founding his own marijuana company, Bluma Wellness, which he sold in April 2021 to Cresco for $213 million in an all-stock deal. In November 2022, Cobb took his father's rich history of smuggling and launched Sunburn in Florida, a vertically integrated dispensary chain with nine retail shops. Sunburn is the 13th largest medical marijuana company in Florida, the company is valued at $105 million and will generate around $50 million in revenue by the end of its first year in operation. On this episode, Jake & Brady discuss: How Brady's father got into the world of Cannabis smuggling Opportunities in the Cannabis industry Building a Cannabis farm and distribution operation How to raise capital in Cannabis Links: Sunburn Cannabis Brady on Instagram Lefay Resorts Italy Connect & Invest with Jake: Follow Jake on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jwurzak Take the Hospitality Investing Masterclass: https://learn.jakewurzak.com/ Learn How to Invest with DoveHill: https://bit.ly/3yg8Pwo

Jul 19, 2023 • 1h 26min
#22: Matt Pestronk - Co-Founder of Post Brothers
Matthew Pestronk is co-founder of Post Brothers, a real estate investment, development, and management company with singular and unique expertise in urban real estate development. Matthew serves as President of the company, engaged in the sponsorship of 40 Class-A multifamily, mixed-use, and retail development projects comprised of over 8,000 units that are operating, under development or disposed plus, over 700K sf of office and retail space, with a total capitalized cost in excess of $4 billion. On this episode, Jake and Matt discuss: Building a real estate database to generate deal flow Learnings from the GFC How they capitalize deals Using self-management as a key to growth A walkthrough of a typical deal for Post Brothers What metrics matter to them in a deal Links: Post Brothers Matt on LinkedIn The Berkeley London hotel The Corinthia London hotel Oil Nut Bay Connect & Invest with Jake: Follow Jake on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jwurzak Take the Hospitality Investing Masterclass: https://learn.jakewurzak.com/ Learn How to Invest with DoveHill: https://bit.ly/3yg8Pwo Topics: (00:01:59) The first time Jake heard of Matt (00:05:20) How Matthew got started in RE and built a Real Estate Platform (00:10:08) How did you begin creating your database to generate deal flow? (00:13:18) Matt’s first deal (00:16:36) Matt’s learnings from the GFC (00:18:55) How were you capitalizing early on and when did you move into institutional capital? (00:25:47) At what point did you realize you needed the organization to be vertically integrated? (00:27:22) Was self-managing key to your growth? (00:28:51) What are the ways you’ve found to make money in the Operating Company? (00:35:47) What’s your preferred playbook when working on a deal? (00:38:47) What’s the size and scale of PB today? (00:40:19) How do you resist the temptation to do every single deal that comes across your desk? (00:44:22) What does a typical deal process look like for you? (00:51:28) What metrics matter to you in a deal? (00:58:01) Office to MF conversions (01:03:03) How major cities experiencing loss of population will fare (01:06:40) What amenities are you prioritizing in projects right now? (01:10:14) Are there any ideas you’re planning on implementing that you haven’t so far? (01:11:59) Furnished Apartment concepts & thoughts on the hotel industry (01:22:24) What is your favorite hotel?

Jul 12, 2023 • 1h 22min
#21: Chris Frampton - CEO of East West Partners
As Managing Partner, Chris oversees all of the company’s development and sales activities. With East West pioneering new communities in Charleston, Denver, Snowmass, Deer Valley and Kauai, Chris works with folks from coast to coast and helps guide these destinations toward the future. From his perspective, the agenda is actually quite simple, “We build places that put people first, where the experience drives design and sustainability governs construction techniques.” Chris is a founding member and the board President for the Civic Center Conservancy, the City of Denver’s private partner at Civic Center Park. He is also Board Chair for the Rocky Mountain chapter of the Young Presidents’ Organization, and a member of the Board of Governors’ for the Denver Metropolitan Chamber of Commerce. On this episode, Jake & Chris discuss: - how they find deals - East West's acquisition process - setting up multiple offices to enhance the development flow - the difference between condos & hotels how to make it work - large scale resort development - managing risk Connect & Invest with Jake Follow Jake on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jwurzak Take the Hospitality Investing Masterclass: https://learn.jakewurzak.com/ Learn How to Invest with DoveHill: https://bit.ly/3yg8Pwo Links: Chris on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/cframpton1/ East West Partners: https://www.ewpartners.com/ Petit St. Vincent - https://www.petitstvincent.com/ Cayo Espanto Beliz - https://aprivateisland.com/ The Soho Grand NYC - https://www.sohogrand.com/ One Hotel Hanalei Bay - https://www.1hotels.com/hanalei-bay Topics: (00:02:05) Chris’ career in real estate (00:12:17) East West’s focus on providing value to buyers (00:16:39) East West’s PM approach (00:19:51) An inside look at the 3 companies within EastWest (00:26:08) How has the organization changed in your time there? (00:30:19) How did you expand to all these different markets while maintaining the core value of living where you work? (00:35:04) What incentives worked when giving ownership to employees? (00:38:35) How have you been able to survive real estate cycles and maintain a massive development pipeline? (00:43:17) Fee Development for another party (00:49:15) Is there room for more master resorts? (00:51:32) What was your greatest investment? (00:54:24) How are you capitalizing deals? (00:57:02) How do you approach reporting? (01:01:18) Is there a mistake that you made that lingers for you? (01:04:09) How are you managing risk through the acquisition pipeline? (01:11:17) How do you structure a Condo Hotel? (01:19:28) What is your favorite hotel?

Jul 5, 2023 • 1h 18min
#20: Glenn Alba - Founder & CEO of Opterra Capital
Opterra Capital is real estate investment sponsor and operating partner, capital markets advisor, and asset manager with significant experience in all sectors of commercial real estate. Founded by Glenn Alba, a former Managing Director at Blackstone with over 23 years experience in real estate, Opterra Capital seeks to leverage this expertise towards value-add acquisition and proactive investment management to deliver attractive, risk-adjusted returns. Opterra’s core investment strategies focus on both value-add (opportunistic) and stabilized, income-oriented assets in the hospitality, office and multi-family sectors. Our approach seeks to capitalize on mid-market opportunities in the $25 -150 million range in the United States, Canada, and the Carribean. Our investment strategy is strongly influenced by our deep asset management experience to identify the proper capital repositioning, cost reduction and operating leverage opportunities inherent in each asset to maximize returns to investors. On this episode, Jake & Glenn discuss: Glenn's experience at Blackstone and it's influence on starting Opterra How they evaluate deals The 'no-assholes' policy Developing an asset management platform Acquisitions Links: Opterra Capital Glenn on LinkedIn Connect & Invest with Jake: Follow Jake on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jwurzak Take the Hospitality Investing Masterclass: https://learn.jakewurzak.com/ Learn How to Invest with DoveHill: https://bit.ly/3yg8Pwo Timecodes: (00:01:01) Glenn’s career at Blackstone and the decision to leave (00:06:39) Rolling the Blackstone mentality into Opterra (00:08:09) Glenn on falling in love with Hospitality (00:09:57) How Blackstone shaped Glenn’s Investment Perspective (00:13:02) How Opterra evaluates deals (00:16:54) Opterra’s capital strategy (00:19:15) Converting Office into a Luxury Hotel (00:23:49) Structuring a business to be focused on doing what you want to do (00:26:35) The ‘no-assholes’ policy (00:32:46) Post-Pandemic approach to doing deals (00:34:29) Qualities behind great RE investors and asset managers (00:39:01) Developing an asset management platform (00:44:11) Implementing processes at Opterra (00:49:19) Acquisitions processes (00:57:49) Areas in Hospitality ripe for disruption (01:04:56) How have the past 3 years informed your decisions for the next 5 years? (01:09:58) How do you know when to sell? (01:15:32) What’s your favorite hotel?


