

Above the Law - Thinking Like a Lawyer
Legal Talk Network
Thinking Like A Lawyer is a podcast featuring Above the Law's Joe Patrice, Kathryn Rubino, and Chris Williams. Each episode, the hosts will take a topic experienced and enjoyed by regular people, and shine it through the prism of a legal framework. This will either reveal an awesome rainbow of thought, or a disorienting kaleidoscope of issues. Either way, it should be fun.
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Mar 25, 2026 • 31min
Afroman And Elon Had Very Different Trial Experiences
They unpack a botched police raid on a rapper that became protest music and a high-stakes lawsuit over emotional distress. They grill courtroom drama around Elon Musk’s Twitter litigation and whether missteps looked like fraud. They cover chaos inside the Department of Justice, from hiring changes to fights over Epstein-related documents. A mix of surveillance, courthouse showdowns, and institutional shakeups.

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Mar 18, 2026 • 37min
AI Hallucinations And Judicial Derangements
They dissect a DOJ lawyer ousted for letting AI draft filings and the broader fallout from AI mistakes in court. They unpack a Ninth Circuit judge’s shockingly vulgar dissent and the political signaling behind it. They debate judicial decorum, whether judges should police each other publicly, and the Legalweek focus on AI realism, monitoring tools, and cybersecurity risks.

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Mar 4, 2026 • 32min
John Roberts Suffers The Slings And Arrows Of Pure Rage Trump
They unpack the political fallout after the Court struck down Trump administration tariffs and the public theater around the Chief Justice's relationship with the president. They critique how bar examiners handled a blizzard-disrupted test and debate fairness in licensing. They also explore legal tech developments: whether AI chat prompts are protected from discovery and how governments are wrestling with AI vendors.

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Feb 25, 2026 • 35min
Supreme Court Airs Dirty Laundry
Things get testy down at the courthouse.
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The Supreme Court struck down Donald Trump's effort to use IEEPA to impose arbitrary tariffs across the world and in the process delivered around 170 pages of epic shade. Meanwhile, the administration informed prospective military lawyers that they're no longer allowed to attend the top law schools in the country, presumably because the Pentagon is getting tired of lawyers who can actually identify a war crime when they see one. Finally, the public got another look at how lawyers do their job and predictably overreacted. Les Wexner's attorney got caught on a hot mic giving his client... blunt advice and a court ruled that "wings" don't mean "wings."

Feb 18, 2026 • 32min
AI Takes The Blame, Epstein Takes The Careers
A deep dive into whether AI is really behind BigLaw staff cuts and how different firm models will feel the impact. They probe risks to privilege when clients use commercial AI and how embedded tools change daily practice. The fallout from Epstein-related files and a senior legal resignation gets unpacked. A major firm pushes back on the expedited law school recruiting cycle.

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Feb 11, 2026 • 37min
Epstein Fallout Rocks Legal As Admin Tries To Deflect From ICE
Law firm leadership collapses after troubling ties to Jeffrey Epstein surface. Disturbing staff emails suggest recruitment and troubling jokes inside elite networks. Debate over legal research ethics versus defending clients heats up. A DOJ lawyer publicly warns of a staffing crisis and broken immigration system. Big moves in legal tech as a major AI player enters the market.

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Feb 4, 2026 • 27min
Accountability In An Age Of Unaccountability
They unpack the fallout from the Epstein files and why a chaotic document dump is shaking the legal world. They examine arrests, grand jury tactics, and threats to press freedom. They spotlight a judge handcuffing an attorney and discuss how trauma dockets and burnout affect judicial behavior. They call for stronger ethical policing of lawyers tied to the administration.

Jan 29, 2026 • 31min
Trump's Cook Case Looks Cooked
After taking a hacksaw to nearly a century's worth of congressionally approved independent agencies, the Supreme Court appeared to hit a wall during oral argument over Trump's attempted firing of Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook. The Unitary Executive Theory is all fun and games until the justices start worrying about their personal finances. Meanwhile, the Department of Justice now takes the position that the text of the Alien Enemies Act would have authorized the unilateral deportation of the Beatles and the Rolling Stones for being part of the "British Invasion." Finally, Willkie Farr hit with massive lawsuit alleging the firm helped out a former client's fraud.

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Jan 21, 2026 • 30min
Alienating Our Affections
The podcast dives into the declining trend of single-tier partnerships in Biglaw firms, sparking debates about the future of legal careers. It also explores a bizarre lawsuit involving Kyrsten Sinema and an outdated alienation of affection tort, complete with shocking psychedelic allegations. In a twist, the hosts discuss a recent hack of the Supreme Court's filing system, revealing the audacity of the hacker who boasted about it online. From legal drama to unexpected tech breaches, this episode covers a wild mix of topics!

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Jan 14, 2026 • 37min
Minnesota Becoming A Constitutional Law Issue-Spotter
The discussion dives into the legal labyrinth surrounding the unjust killing involving ICE agents in Minnesota. They examine the barriers of qualified and sovereign immunity that shield federal agents from accountability. The hosts critique troubling narratives and the pressures on Hilton Hotels concerning DHS operations. They also explore the implications of potential Third Amendment litigation and Judge James Ho's audacious bid for Supreme Court favor, highlighting his controversial comments that trivialize threats against judges.


