Barefoot Innovation Podcast

I always love it when we find innovation in unexpected places, not just in the financial products and channels and regulatory issues we discuss, but also in people inventing new ways to get things done. Today's guests talk about taking a very old kind of entity -- the industry trade association -- and updating it for the 21st century financial world. As often happens with innovation, the thing that's new is actually very simple, maybe even obvious, and yet when you set it in motion, things change. That's what has happened in the UK in 2014 with the creation of a new trade group called Innovate Finance. As its name conveys, it focuses on fintech innovation. What makes it so innovative and interesting to me, though, is that it has drawn members from the whole financial innovation ecosystem. They have startups, and also banks, and also the other players in the space like consulting and law firms, all actively working with regulators -- and with like-minded companies and governments throughout the world -- all on the same issues at the same time. My guests are the group's CEO, Charlotte Crosswell, as well as Dan Morgan. At the time of our recording, Dan was the head of policy for Innovate Finance. He has since moved on to be the FinTech Sector Specialist at the UK Department for International Trade, still working on the same issues. His move was already in progress when we recorded this episode, and I'm glad we were able to get his thinking into the dialogue. When I find myself admiring innovation outside the U.S., I always have to note that other countries have a simpler system than we do here, in terms of both industry structure and regulatory framework. Our listeners have often heard me worry that the U.S. system, and especially our multi-agency federal regulatory design, is holding us back. The UK has both a less complex banking system and basically only two regulators, which has clearly helped make them the world leader on the regulatory side of innovation (I'll link to our podcasts with two of their top regulators in the show notes) and also one of the leaders in fintech, too. It may be that this regulatory environment is one reason that Innovate Finance could form around the full spectrum of financial entities. In the US, our established trade associations are of course working hard to address both industry and policy issues in fintech and regtech. We've also had new trade groups form in the last few years, organized by fintechs and/or by big tech companies interested in the financial space. So far, though, we don't have anything like Innovate Finance (although I know a few people thinking about starting one). Whatever structures emerge over time, I think everyone can learn lessons from how Innovate Finance operates, and especially how it brings both incumbents and newbies into the very same discussions, the same problem-solving, together. The more I work with financial innovation, the more I know for sure that the main solution is in collaboration. Choose your metaphor -- it can be breaking down silos, or cross-pollination, or weaving separate strands together. The only way to figure out what to do, and to move quickly, is by getting the disparate kinds of players together, all the time, as a new way of life. So, you're going to enjoy hearing Charlotte's and Dan's thinking. They talk about the secrets to making this happen, why it's easier in the UK, and why it's getting easier for banks to innovate (hint -- that too is about breaking silos). They describe regulators who are not merely accepting change, but are helping to drive it proactively, and who have explicitly adopted an "ecosystem" approach. They describe an emerging world of shared problem-solving in areas like AML, identity and consumers owning their own data. They talk about trends among regulators around the world. Importantly, they also describe their upcoming conference, the IFGS -- Innovate Finance Global Summit in London, March 19-20. I spoke last year and will this year again, and can say with confidence it's one of the world's very best. It will be back again in the beautiful, historic Guild Hall, where somehow old and timeless meets new and thrilling in a very happy mix. More on Charlotte Charlotte Crosswell is CEO of Innovate Finance. She has spent most of her financial services career in market infrastructure roles, including as CEO of Nasdaq NLX ("NLX"), a London-based startup derivatives market, and serving on the board of LCH Ltd. She's also held management positions at Nasdaq and London Stock Exchange across international capital markets, equities, xed income, OTC derivatives trading and clearing. In addition to her current work with Innovate Finance, Charlotte advises and sits on the boards of a number of technology and FinTech startups. She holds a BA with honors in French from the Southampton University and has been included in the list of top 100 Women in Finance over many years. More on Dan Dan Morgan is the FinTech Sector Specialist at the UK Department for International Trade. At the time we recorded this episode he was Head of Policy and Regulation at Innovate Finance, where he led development of member policy specialist groups in digital currencies and Blockchain, payments, access to finance and data. Dan also led the Innovate Finance FinTech 2020 Manifesto and secretariat support for the FinTech APPG. He previously held senior policy roles at a number of business groups including the CBI, BRC and ABI. Dan has worked across a range of sectors and policy areas including insurance, SME finance and retail tax reform. More links Podcast with Sanjay Jain Podcast with UK regulator Chris Woolard Podcast with UK regtech lead Nick Cook More for our listeners Here are some of the shows coming up. We'll have Cross River Bank CEO Gilles Gade, talking about the "sponsor bank" model for fintechs working with banking partners. We'll be back in London with the CEO of Starling Bank, Anne Boden. We also have conversations with Michael Wiegand, who heads the Gates Foundation's work on financial services for the poor. Back in the US we'll have shows Nerd Wallet CEO Tim Chen and the CEO's of two community banks. I hope to see you at upcoming events including: CFSI's Fintech and the Federal Government: How Policymakers and Startup Companies are Exploring Financial Innovation, March 15, U.S. Senate, Washington Innovate Finance Global Summit, March 19-20, London, UK Regulation and Innovation in the Age of FinTech, with FSD Africa, Cambridge Centre for Alternative Finance and RegHub, March 22-23, London, UK Lendit Fintech USA, April 9-11, San Francisco, CA Texas Bankers Association Annual Conference, May 3, Houston, Texas Bank Director, The Reality of Regtech, April 18, New York, NY Texas Banker's Association Annual Conference, May 3, Houston, TX Woman Corporate Directors Global Institute, May 10, New York, NY Comply 2018, May 16, New York CFSI's EMERGE, June 6-8, Los Angeles, CA American Bankers Association Regulatory Compliance Conference, June 26, Nashville -- I'll be moderating a general session panel on regulation and AI, and also teaming up again with the ABA for some special podcasts. As always, please remember to review Barefoot Innovation on iTunes, and sign up to get emails that bring you the newest podcast, newsletter, and blog posts, at jsbarefoot.com. Again, follow me on twitter and facebook. And please send in your "buck a show" to keep Barefoot Innovation going! Support our Podcast Subscribe Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. Email Address Sign Up We respect your privacy. Thank you!

Today's guest is a familiar name and face for everyone who follows U.S. politics. He is Tim Pawlenty, CEO of the Financial Services Roundtable. Tim was previously Governor of Minnesota and became well-known to most of us when he ran for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination. He's been a prominent voice on public policy for many years. He was also a speaker on a panel I moderated last fall at Money 2020 on financial innovation and regulation. We decided to continue that conversation back in Washington at his office at the Roundtable, which is the trade association representing the largest U.S. banks and financial companies. Tim is one of the most thoughtful people we've had on the show, with perspective on all the issues and strong opinions, clearly expressed. He shared his predictions for how fintech will, and won't, change banking, including its competitive structure, and including the likelihood of rising competition for the customer's trust. He talks about the big tech companies competing with banks not in terms of whether it will happen -- he thinks that's a given -- but rather when and how, and how that will ultimately be regulated. He has thoughts on the respective strengths and weaknesses of banks versus companies like Amazon or Apple. He thinks cybersecurity is the top challenge and talks about the foundational, structural difficulty of taking the internet -- which was designed to be open and distributed -- and trying to plug its security gaps with patches (he cites a Roundtable event where Steve Wozniak offered somewhat discouraging advice on this). Tim is an optimist that technology will make financial services vastly better for most people. He's also an optimist about banks and fintechs finding synergies and increasingly partnering. He thinks a few -- a very few -- fintechs, will change the world. He's less optimistic about U.S. financial regulators getting good at truly coordinating as technology changes finance. As he puts it, the regulatory structure is horizontal, not vertical. That will make it hard to develop the harmonized thinking, and actual standards, that could help the system move forward. Big banks will play an enormous role in shaping the digital transformation of finance. More than small banks, they have the resources to be innovation leaders. More than fintechs, they have both resources and also expertise in how to be regulated companies, which takes some learning. More than either, they'll be going head-to-head with big tech entrants into finance. At the same time, more than any of these other players, big banks are hard to change, by virtue of sheer size and history and also the legacy of being, in some ways, creatures of regulation. They are often on the defense on regulatory and political and public concerns about banking. Tim Pawlenty says banking is the "plumbing" of the economy, and therefore needs to work. I would add that big banks are the main pipes. When they do innovation well, their many millions of customers will benefit -- most financial consumers today are served by these large institutions. If they do innovation badly, or if the regulatory process impedes the move to modernize them, the future will be a whole lot more complicated. As he says, the plumbing has to work. Here are other episodes we've done with innovation leaders at large banks -- Wells Fargo, Citigroup, and US Bank. More on Tim Pawlenty Tim Pawlenty is President and CEO of the Financial Services Roundtable, which represents the leading financial service companies in the United States. He previously served as Governor of the State of Minnesota (2003-2011), overseeing a $50 billion biennial budget, 30,000 employees and over 20 agencies and departments. As governor, he was also responsible for disaster preparedness and response, appointment of judges, and serving as Commander-In- Chief of Minnesota's National Guard. His work as governor included promoting international business opportunities through trade missions to nine countries. He chaired the State Board of Investment, which addressed more than $60 billion in investments. His education, health care and energy initiatives were widely cited as among the most innovative in the nation. Mr. Pawlenty served as Chair of the National Governors Association (2007-2008), Chair of the Education Commission of the States (2008-2010), and Chair of the Midwest Governors Association (2006-2007). From 1986 to 2000, Mr. Pawlenty practiced law in the areas of criminal prosecution, civil litigation and appeals. He was also Vice President of Corporate Development for Wizmo, an early stage technology services company. He has been a board member of numerous companies. Mr. Pawlenty served in the Minnesota House of Representatives (1993-2003) where he was elected Majority Leader by his colleagues (1999-2003). He received a B.A. from the University of Minnesota with Phi Beta Kappa and PhiKappa Phi honors. He received his J.D. from the University of Minnesota Law School. More links The Roundtable's BITS organization The lending company Tim mentioned: https://www.greenskycredit.com/ The conference at which we both spoke the next day: http://www.regtechenable.com/ More for our listeners In case you missed it...be sure to listen to our recent show with Nick Cook of the UK Financial Conduct Authority on The Future of Regulation. Especially if you're a regulator, or know some regulators, this one is recommended listening on how we can move to digitally-native regulation. We have wonderful shows coming up. One is with Cross River Bank CEO Gilles Gade, talking about the "sponsor bank" model for fintechs working with banking partners. We'll have two in London, with the CEO of Starling Bank, Anne Boden and another with Innovate Finance CEO Charlotte Crosswell. We also have conversations with Michael Wiegand, who heads the Gates Foundation's work on financial services for the poor and Nerd Wallet CEO Tim Chen. I hope to see you at upcoming events including: Harvard Kennedy School Business and Government Club, February 14, Cambridge, MA Innovate Finance Global Summit, March 19-20, London, U SWIFT Business Forum, March 21, Toronto, ON Bank Director, The Reality of Regtech, April 18, New York Texas Bankers Association Annual Conference, May 3, Houston, Texa Comply 2018, May 16, New York CFSI's EMERGE, June 6-8, Los Angeles, C American Bankers Association Regulatory Compliance Conference, June 26, Nashville -- I'll be moderating a general session panel on regulation and AI, and also teaming up again with the ABA for some special podcasts. Support our Podcast As always, please remember to review Barefoot Innovation on iTunes, and sign up to get emails that bring you the newest podcast, newsletter, and blog posts, at jsbarefoot.com. 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This is the most fun show we've done in ages, or maybe ever. My friend Jean-Stephane Gourevitch offered to gather some really interesting people in London to talk about the data economy. We finally sat down last fall, during London's Regtech Rising conference, and wow, did we talk. Jean-Stephane himself is French, based in London, and works with fintech startups throughout the world. His guests were, first, Edward George, who leads both research and the UK representative office for the pan-African bank, Ecobank. We also had Fiona Ghosh, a top London lawyer in the financial and fintech space -- Fiona is a partner at Addleshaw Goddard. Our other two participants have both founded young fintechs. Lukas Zoerner is CEO of Mespo, a fully independent robo money saver. And Luca Schnettler, from Germany, has founded HealthyHealth, which uses data to change the insurance world and to make people...healthier. We had an incredible conversation. We talked about how Europe's new data regulations -- PSD2 and the GDPR -- will change banking and fintech (which, by the way, is a revolution that's being under-discussed in the United States). We covered the opportunities that fintech is opening up in the developing world and especially Africa, where suddenly it's possible, through the mobile phone, to bring banking to hundreds of millions of people who couldn't be profitably served before. We talked about the future of cash. We figured out what regulators need to do. For me, probably the most riveting moments were a debate that broke out between the two fintech CEO's -- both millennials -- who turned out to have strikingly different views about how data should be used, and also about consumers' responsibility for securing their own wellbeing. I've never heard a discussion quite like it. So, we had six people around the table, counting me. It was a yeasty mixture of nationalities, languages, ages, continents, professional expertise, products, and target markets -- and with everyone having a whole lot to say. More about today's guests Jean-Stephane Gourévitch Jean-Stéphane is an expert of the strategic, public policy and market aspects of digital/mobile payments, mobile money, digital/mobile banking, digital/mobile commerce, fintech, the data economy and innovation ecosystem with over 25 years global experience at senior management levels and a mix of corporate and entrepreneurial experience. He has held senior management positions with International telecom operators including Everything Everywhere Ltd. (EE), Orange, France Telecom, Verizon Business, Colt Technology Services Ltd. He has worked for OFCOM, the UK digital communications regulator. He also has held senior positions with Deloitte Consulting and with strategic marketing and PR/Communications firms. Jean-Stephane created his own management consulting company 5 years ago, combining strategic, public policy and commercial vision about digital convergence, fintech, insurtech and the data economy. He also has global experience mentoring and advising entrepreneurs and start-ups, in particular very young entrepreneurs. A frequent speaker on fintech, payments and insurtech, Jean-Stephane has addressed events such as Fintech Connect Live, Pay Expo, and Money2020. He is also an independent conference director, creating programs/content for major conferences such as Fintech Connect Live in London, INPAYCO Digital Payments in Toronto and Paris, Mobile Payments: Regulation, Risks and Opportunities in Berlin and London, the Africa Fintech Forum in Abidjan, Ivory Coast. As a mentor and advisor to 24 fintech, insurtech and digital technologies startups and to young entrepreneurs in Europe, Africa, Asia, Latin and North America, Jean-Stephane's expertise lies in strategy, business development, regulatory affairs, public policy, Government Relations, stakeholder relationships management, communication and PR. Edward George Twitter @DrTeddGeorge Dr. Edward George is the head of the UK representative office of pan-African bank, Ecobank, as well as being head of group research. Edward oversees the teams in the London office, with a focus on corporate banking, financial institutions/international organisations and research. As head of research he also manages a team of nine analysts based across Middle Africa covering the fixed-income, currencies and commodities space. His specialties include soft commodities and agribusiness, trade and trade finance, and disruptive technology. Edward is also the bank's specialist on Francophone West Africa and Lusophone Africa. Prior to joining Ecobank in March 2011 he worked for The Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU) for seven years as a Senior Editor in both the Commodities and Africa Departments. There he was responsible for producing and editing reports on Lusophone and Francophone Africa, as well as on 25 industrial raw materials, food, feedstuffs and beverages. Before joining the EIU, Edward worked as a freelance writer covering the politics and economics of Sub-Saharan Africa. A linguist by training, Edward is fluent in French, Spanish and Portuguese and holds a PhD in Political Science from the University of Bristol. His PhD thesis on the Cuban intervention in Angola was published as a book by Routledge in 2005 and as a paperback in December 2012. Luca Schnettler Luca started HealthyHealth in January 2017 to realize his vision of using digital means to innovate the insurance sector and help customers become healthy individuals. Before having any partners or advisors, Luca was able to persist and focus on the objective, following his goal and passion of building a company that truly changes customers perception on Insurance and helps them to improve their health. Lukas Zoerner Twitter @lczoerner Lukas Zoerner is the Founder and CEO of Mespo, a fully independent robo money saver that detects and executes savings opportunities for consumers. Mespo has established a UK's market first partnership between a FinTech such as Mespo and a Credit Union, My Community Bank. Mespo won the UK's Fintech For All 2017 Financial Inclusion challenge in the category "New Fintechs". Lukas previously worked in Morgan Stanley's investment banking division advising Power & Utility companies across EMEA. He holds a degree in business administration from the University of Mannheim in Germany. Fiona Ghosh Fiona is a Partner in Addleshaw Goddard's Commercial Group, specialising in complex commercial, IS, payment and FinTech arrangements, particularly in the financial services sector where she has focused her practice for more than a decade. Fiona heads the firm's FinTech Group. Her work has included bringing new payment solutions, including ApplePay, Samsung Pay and Android Pay, to market. She is an appointed expert on the editorial board of the Payments & Fin Tech Lawyer journal. Fiona's expertise also includes outsourcing and other complex commercial arrangements in the investment banking, retail banking, insurance and asset management sectors. She has longstanding experience in strategic advisory work, negotiation and drafting of multijurisdictional business process outsourcings, including back and middle office, platform integration, facilities management and global administration services for multinational corporations, banks, asset managers and global insurers. A leader in her field on advice relating to strategic alliances and joint ventures, Fiona has led several international joint venture arrangements for the provision of pensions, credit cards, loans, mortgages and related insurance products acting for both retailers and for providers. She also specialises in advising in the field of retail payments including payment services and commercial arrangements relating to digital and mobile payment solutions, payment aggregation and merchant acquiry in the UK, US and further afield. Fiona is a regular speaker at international conferences and events on FinTech and payments law including Pay Expo Europe, the Westminster Forum Projects and Digital Payments Intensive. More Links Ecobank Research portal Ecobank Twitter account: @ecobankresearch Edward George: 'Banks are in danger of becoming utilities' Africa FICC It's the disruption that matters All Hands on Bank: How Mobile Banking is Changing Personal Finance AG Elevate GDPR PSD2 Sanjay Jain Podcast on Barefoot Innovation AFI Podcast on Barefoot Innovation More for our listeners Watch for our upcoming shows, including two more from London. One is with the charismatic CEO of Starling Bank, Anne Boden (who was referenced in today's show with high praise), and the other is with Innovate Finance CEO Charlotte Crosswell. Back in the U.S., we'll have three fascinating CEO's -- Financial Services Roundtable head Tim Pawlenty; Nerd Wallet CEO Tim Chen, and Cross River Bank CEO Gilles Gade. We also have an inspiring conversation with Michael Wiegand, who heads the Gates Foundation's work on financial services for the poor. And we're going to do a special one in San Francisco with my cofounders of Hummingbird Regtech -- so, stay tuned! I'll hope to see you at upcoming events where I'll be speaking: March 19-20 - Innovate Finance Global Summit - London April 18 - Bank Director, The Reality of Regtech - New York, NY May 3 - Texas Bankers Association Annual Convention - Houston, TX (and here's the cover story I wrote for their magazine, on innovation and community banks) May 16 - Comply 2018 - New York, NY June 26, American Bankers Association Regulatory Compliance Conference - Nashville TN As always, please remember to review Barefoot Innovation on iTunes, and sign up to get emails that bring you the newest podcast, newsletter, and blog posts, at jsbarefoot.com. Again, follow me on twitter and facebook. And please send in your "buck a show" to keep Barefoot Innovation going. Till next time, keep innovating! Support our Podcast Subscribe Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. Email Address Sign Up We respect your privacy. Thank you!

What if regulation, as we know it, might disappear? Regulation will never stop, of course, but what if some of it will take on a new form, shaped by technology? What if we're entering into a new era of what we could call "digitally-native" regulation, that's as agile and intuitive about regulation as digitally-native consumers are about consumer technology? Of all the shows we've ever done, I think this is the most mold-breaking and thought-provoking. My guest comes from the agency that is leading the world in modernizing financial regulation for the digital age, and he leads the team that's doing it. Nick Cook is the head of Regtech and Advanced Analytics for the United Kingdom's Financial Conduct Authority. The FCA's innovation leadership is world-renowned, especially for their Project Innovate and its "regulatory sandbox," which allows careful testing of new financial technology that could benefit consumers. Less well-known, though, is a newer initiative, launched about 16 months ago, to explore regtech. As we've discussed in other shows, the term "regtech" is used in two ways. It refers both to regtech for regulators -- technology to enhance their own activities, and to regtech for the industry, to improve or streamline regulatory compliance. The FCA is working on both halves of this equation, and true to form, they've invented an innovative way to explore it. They aren't using a sandbox for regtech (although the Bank of England has a sandbox-like "Fintech Accelerator"). Instead, Nick's team has been convening what they call "tech sprints." They invite a diverse set of participants -- banks, fintechs, tech companies, lawyers, consultancies, academics and others -- to come together for problem-solving exercises designed like hackathons. Sometimes for a day or two, and sometimes longer, they work on how new technology could be applied to a regulatory challenge like "digitizing" the rule book or streamlining regulatory reporting. Nick and I recorded this discussion at the Regtech Enable conference in Washington in December, where he had just shared an update on their work from the stage. At the time, they were in the midst of a two-week sprint that had two objectives. The first is to try to make regulatory reporting requirements "machine-readable," and therefore much easier to navigate, including for innovative companies that often struggle just to know what rules apply to them. The second -- even more profound -- is to explore whether some regulations can also be made "machine-executable" -- could regulatory guidance, in some cases, be issued in the form of computer code, and therefore be self-implementing? This is an idea that's been under discussion for about a year, including at a regtech roundtable I hosted last spring as a Senior Fellow in the Harvard Kennedy School Center for Business and Government. The same conversations have included a second concept the FCA is also pursuing, namely that new, high-tech regulation should be introduced gradually and should be optional for the industry. Gradual rollout would enable policymakers to start small and learn, while voluntary adoption opens up a practical road to changing our complex system with minimal disruption. The FCA's tech sprint on machine executable reporting ended a few days after we recorded this podcast. They will be sharing its results in the coming months, so be sure to watch for it! Let's step back and think about what's underway here. Finance is being transformed from analog to digital design. And, right behind it, so is regulation. Digitization will do for both -- for finance and financial regulation -- what it does for everything else. That is, it will make them faster, better, and cheaper, and will create a new foundation on which people will innovate further, in ways we cannot yet envision. A striking thing about my talk with Nick is how different he sounds from traditional regulators. It's hard to put your finger on exactly why, but I think it's mainly the comfort he displays with uncertainty. The same trait was evident in my earlier podcast with Christopher Woolard, who heads the FCA's innovation strategy. Somehow this agency manages to be simultaneously bold and humble. They know they don't have this all figured out. They even know they can't figure it out by themselves. But they also know they can move forward, and that the way to do so is by engaging a community of diverse experts to work together. As Nick says, that can be scary, but the risks come way down, for regulators and everyone else, when solutions are developed collaboratively by people who believe in its potential to make regulation better. I hope this episode finds its way to many regulators, including those in the US where our agencies are actively exploring innovation agendas. Nick says regtech should be easier for regulators than fintech change is. For one thing, the companies leading it are generally not regulated entities, which makes them easier to work with. In addition, no consumers are affected by regtech experimentation. It's about how the regulators can do their own jobs better, and/or can enable financial companies to do the same. As he puts it, regulators can, therefore, put "a toe in the water," in regtech, and then move forward. My friend Andrew Burt of Imuta and Yale Law School helped design the FCA's December sprint and has put out a white paper on it. And here is the FCA's great video on how tech sprints work. So, I'm not naive. I've been a bank regulator, a U.S. Senate staffer, and I've worked in regulatory compliance for decades. Technology won't magically make regulation easy. These solutions won't fit some types of regulation, and where they do fit, they will inevitably create new problems. We all know all that. Still...Digitally-native regulation. Think about it. More on Nick Cook Nick leads the FCA's RegTech activities, including the FCA's TechSprint events - the first events of their kind convened by a financial regulator. He is responsible for creating the FCA's Analytics Centre of Excellence to drive the organization's use of data science, machine learning and artificial intelligence. Nick is the FCA's representative on the European Securities and Markets Authority's (ESMA) Financial Innovation Standing Committee and an advisor to the RegTech for Regulators Accelerator Programme. Nick joined the Financial Services Authority (the FCA's predecessor) in 2009, initially in its Enforcement and Market Oversight Division. Prior to joining the regulator, Nick qualified as a chartered accountant at KPMG Forensic. Other links Podcast with Sanjay Jain on the "India stack" technology Podcast with Miles Reidy on regtech More for our listeners Just before Christmas, I finished my 7 week, three-continent "World Tour." I think 2017 was the pivotal year for moving both fintech regulation and regtech toward becoming priority issues at regulatory agencies throughout the world. 2018 will take it all to the next level. We're starting the year with amazing shows in the queue. We'll have a fascinating London conversation with the charismatic CEO of Starling Bank, Anne Boden; another with Innovate Finance CEO Charlotte Crosswell; and another with a group of amazing innovators working in Europe and Africa, including Ecobank. In the U.S. we'll have one with Cross River Bank CEO Gilles Gade; with Michael Wiegand, who heads the Gates Foundation's work on financial services for the poor; with Financial Services Roundtable CEO Tim Pawlenty; and with Nerd Wallet CEO Tim Chen...and many more! I hope to see you at upcoming events including: OCC Bank Information Technology Conference, January 9-12, Washington, DC Innovate Finance Global Summit, March 19-20, London, UK Bank Director, The Reality of Regtech, April 18, New York Texas Bankers Association Annual Conference, May 3, Houston, Texas Comply 2018, May 16, New York As always, please remember to review Barefoot Innovation on iTunes, and sign up to get emails that bring you the newest podcast, newsletter, and blog posts, at jsbarefoot.com. Again, follow me on twitter and facebook. And please send in your "buck a show" to keep Barefoot Innovation going. And keep innovating! 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I could tell I was walking into an innovation lab even before I saw the space, because I could hear the ping pong game underway as I stepped off the elevator. It was great fun to be in San Francisco, on a sunny day in early fall, to talk with Braden More, Wells Fargo's head of partnerships and industry relations -- and to see their fascinating innovation facility, which includes what they call their R&D Garage. As Braden explains in our talk, Wells Fargo has reorganized to establish an integrated digital strategy for payments, under the leadership of their famous innovation head, Steve Ellis -- whom Braden described as the Steve Jobs of banking. They know that today's customers expect a great digital experience, which means they won't put up with processes that break down as they hit the old silo walls between traditional bank product groups, nor processes that merely automate old paper based, linear designs. Banking has to become fully digitized -- with all the gains in speed, cost, accuracy, and innovation that comes with digitizing anything. Not surprisingly, a lot of this episode focuses on the challenge of how you change a large organization. Big banks are anything but nimble. It's not their fault, it's just their nature -- their size, their complexity, and their reliance on legacy IT systems that have accumulated, in most cases, over years and decades of mergers and acquisitions, and never been fully integrated with each other. On top of that, every move that big banks make faces regulatory requirements and close regulatory scrutiny, and regulators, for good reason, tend to frown on fast change -- especially the kind championed by small fintech innovators who love concepts like "minimum viable product" and (God forbid), "fail fast." However, all the big banks know they do have to change, and also that they have to speed up -- dramatically. That's because the technology change is speeding up. Its curve is exponential, which means that both the opportunities and risks are outstripping organizational models and cultures that were hard-wired many years ago -- even decades or centuries ago -- for linear change. A big bank innovation model is now emerging. It usually has a few elements. There's an innovation team, which is usually small, is charged with rapid learning. Some of it is typically walled off, so that the big organization won't accidentally smother it. There's a lab-type effort, with a mandate to reach beyond short term, practical applications and do some dreaming. These sometimes have an actual playful edge to them -- hence the popularity of ping pong tables and bean bag chairs. Meanwhile, other parts of big banks today are busy with projects trying to smash down some silo walls and push people into the same rooms, to work knee-to-knee on shared challenges. And there's usually an accelerator or incubator that brings in startups and tries to learn from them, sometimes making venture investments. Wells Fargo has all this underway, and Braden explains their philosophy on how to get the best of both worlds -- both isolating ninja-style disruptors while also making innovation central to everyone's job. If you're a fintech, he describes their accelerator and some of its successes, including Eye-verify, which verifies customers' identity by scanning the whites of their eyes with a phone camera, and which has been acquired by China's huge payments innovator, Ant Financial -- Alibaba. He also tells the story of Wells Fargo incorporating Zelle's instant payment service into the bank, and its importance to customers who need quick cash. Our conversation ranges widely, from the future of fast payments and crypto-currency to the evolution of skills needed at banks. Braden also previews coming attractions for 2018. One key: he says active online and mobile users connect with the bank every 42 hours on average -- vastly more often than traditional branch customers. Converting this rich relationship into more value for both customer and bank is a key to the future. Big banks have unique challenges in embracing innovation, but they also unique resources for solving them. A highlight of my visit was seeing the toy room. Pepper is there -- the charming talking robot. So are 3-D printers, biometric safes, and drones -- Braden gives an example of how bank can use a drone. He even talked, intriguingly, of occasionally seeing the folks in The Garage busy making things with soldering irons. You hardly ever used to see that, in a bank office. More Information Wells Fargo's accelerator: https://accelerator.wellsfargo.com/ Podcast with Citigroup's innovation lab Podcast with US Bank's innovation lab Sanjay Jain Podcast Pepper the robot More on Braden More Braden More is the head of payment strategy at Wells Fargo. He and his team work across Wells Fargo to coordinate payment strategy, incubate new initiatives, and represent Wells Fargo in the payments industry. Braden also serves as the portfolio manager for the Wells Fargo Startup Accelerator, a program that mentors and invests in innovative companies. Before assuming his current role, Braden was the head of strategy and planning for Wells Fargo Treasury Management. Previously he was with Wells Fargo's Internet Services Group, and before that held positions in public accounting, management consulting, venture capital, and competitive strategy with Deloitte, Wit Capital, and Intel. Braden graduated magna cum laude from Bowdoin College with a degree in government and legal studies. Subsequently, he earned an M.B.A. with distinction from NYU's Stern School of Business, and a CPA license from the state of New York. Braden lives in San Francisco, where he is active as an advocate for experiential science education. He has served on the board of directors for the Exploratorium Lab and Marin Academy. His Twitter handle is @BradenMore. More for our listeners I'm about to finish what I've called my World Tour -- travels all over the world this fall making speeches, meeting fascinating people and, happily, collecting podcasts. I've learned so much, so fast, about fintech and regtech, it's hard to absorb it all. I'll be sharing lots of thinking in the new year. The upcoming podcasts are amazing. We'll have one with Nick Cook, who leads the FCA's innovation work on regtech, recorded at Regtech Enable in Washington. We'll have Nerd Wallet CEO Tim Chen, and Cross River Bank CEO Gilles Gade. We'll have one in London with the charismatic CEO of Starling Bank, Anne Boden and one with Innovate Finance CEO Charlotte Crosswell. We'll also have a lively discussion with a group of amazing innovators working in Europe and Africa. We'll have one with Michael Wiegand, who heads the Gates Foundation's work on financial services for the poor. And back in the U.S., we'll have a show with Financial Services Roundtable CEO Tim Pawlenty...to name a few! The 2018 schedule is filling up fast. I'll share those events next time. As always, please remember to review Barefoot Innovation on iTunes, and sign up to get emails that bring you the newest podcast, newsletter, and blog posts, at jsbarefoot.com. Again, follow me on twitter and facebook. And please send in your "buck a show" to keep Barefoot Innovation going. And keep innovating! Support our Podcast I want to thank you for all your wonderful support this year, and I wish you a peaceful and joyous holiday season to you and yours! Jo Ann Subscribe Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. Email Address Sign Up We respect your privacy. Thank you!

I've been looking forward to today's show since my very first visit to the UK's Financial Conduct Authority, over two years ago. It was clear even then that they were doing something completely new for a regulatory agency. They were innovating. Not just creating new regulations, but actually rethinking how to create them. Reinventing the regulatory process itself. Specifically, they were responding to the novelty and especially the rapid pace of technology change in finance by creating an innovation initiative and soon thereafter, the world's most famous regulatory sandbox. Today's guest is Christopher Woolard, the FCA's head of Strategy and Competition. In this episode, he tells the story of how they first realized they had to change, how they did it, and, importantly, what they've been learning so far. We sat down together last month during the Money 20/20 conference in Las Vegas, where we also did a fireside chat on the regulatory stage and where, for the first time, Chris shared their new report on lessons drawn from their first several cohorts of sandbox companies. Most of our listeners know what these sandboxes are -- they're also sometimes called reglabs, greenhouses, or a new generation of pilot projects. They're being adopted by a leading cadre of regulators, including a few in the United States, who have realized that the speed of innovation today is outstripping traditional regulatory processes, which means policymakers are going to have to invent something new to keep up. Part of what they're inventing are these small, safe "testbeds" where they can get hands-on with new ideas, understand them, shape them if appropriate, and generate insights to feed back into mainstream regulatory activities. The original version, really, was in the United States in the CFPB's Project Catalyst, which inspired the FCA to build something similar. But it was the UK's much bigger and bolder effort that then caught the world's attention and has now inspired several dozen imitators around the world, according to Aspen Institute research. Here is an article I wrote with more on how the program is designed. The FCA itself grew out of the financial crisis, as the UK decided to separate prudential banking oversight from a new entity focused on "conduct." In some ways the restructure mirrors the U.S. decision to create the CFPB after the crisis, except that the FCA's remit is not limited to consumer protection. The UK Prudential Regulation Authority is now housed in the Bank of England in the old City, while the FCA inhabits contemporary offices out in Canary Wharf, in an area burgeoning with startups and financial companies converting old warehouses to cool new space. In our talk, Chris describes what the FCA is doing in both the sandbox and the agency's wider set of innovation initiatives -- and again, what they're learning so far. He cites the FCA's advantage over many regulators in having a mandate that includes fostering competition. He debunks some misconceptions about the UK sandbox, including that it waives or dilutes consumer protections. He touches on their work in regtech (a topic we'll soon return to with the FCA's regtech head, Nick Cook, in an upcoming show). He talks about the sandbox's global imitators and also how the UK cooperates directly with other countries to ease the path for their respective innovators. And he shares his concern that if even one of these global sandbox experiments "catches a cold," we could see a contagious loss of confidence that could undermine regulatory innovation, worldwide. I admire the FCA's deft mixing of a very high-profile, exciting initiative with, simultaneously, a strong note of humility. They always emphasize that they don't have all the answers, that they're just learning as they go. But this, you see, is actually the key. The thing they figured out -- and believe me, it doesn't come easily to regulators (or to anyone, for that matter) -- is that it's not going to be possible, anymore, to figure things out before acting, in the way policymakers used to do. Instead, regulatory institutions are going to have to learn to navigate permanent and daunting, technology-driven uncertainty. They won't have the option to hold still and wait for clarity to materialize...because it won't. They need to find ways to move ahead iteratively and collaboratively. Testing -- sandboxes and reglabs -- will be essential to that. It's a huge change, in both process and culture, for both regulators and industry. The sooner everyone starts making this shift, the better. The FCA's humble tone is right and wise, but my view is that this regulator has shown not only vision, but also courage. They decided to take the risk to strike out in uncharted territory, to begin to blaze a new kind of policy pathway, and they're inspiring many others to follow them. More on Christopher Woolard: Christopher Woolard is Executive Director of Strategy and Competition, and an Executive Board Member of the Financial Conduct Authority. He's responsible for policy, strategy, competition, market intelligence, consumer issues, the Chief Economist's department, communications and the Innovate initiative. He is chair of the FCA's Policy Steering Committee and a non-executive board member of the Payment Systems Regulator. Christopher joined the FCA in January 2013. Previously he was Group Director and Content Board member at Ofcom. He has spent most of his career in regulation or policy development including working at the BBC and in government as a senior civil servant. He is a Sloan Fellow of London Business School. Here are resources and links to items mentioned in the episode: Financial Conduct Authority Website FCA Project Innovate FCA Innovation Hub FCA Regulatory Sandbox FCA Report on Sandbox Results My podcast with Wai-Lum Kwok on Abu Dhabi's Reglab More for our listeners I'm in the midst of a busy set of travels that will produce some fascinating podcasts. Between November 1 and December 20, I'm traveling to seven countries -- three in Asia, three in Europe, and one in Africa -- to speak on fintech and regtech for both industry and regulators. As I mentioned, we'll have a podcast with the Nick Cook, who leads the FCA's innovation work on regtech, recorded at Regtech Enable in Washington. We have one coming up with Wells Fargo's Braden More on payments innovation. We'll have Nerd Wallet CEO Tim Chen, and Cross River Bank CEO Gilles Gade. We'll have one in London with the charismatic CEO of Starling Bank, Anne Boden and with the trade association Innovate Finance, and also a lively discussion with a group of amazing innovators working in Europe and Africa. We'll have one with Michael Wiegand, who heads the Gates Foundation's work on financial services for the poor. And back in the U.S., we'll have a show with Financial Services Roundtable CEO Tim Pawlenty...to name a few! Plus, I'll be recording a special series straight from the floor of the American Bankers Association conference on financial crimes, in December. I hope to see many of you there and at other upcoming events, including these: S&P's Fintech Intel, December 13, New York The African Fintech Forum, December 18-19 in Abidjan, Ivory Coast www.africafintechforum.net Dutch Central Bank, December 20, Amsterdam Please remember to review Barefoot Innovation on iTunes, and sign up to get emails that bring you the newest podcast, newsletter, and blog posts, at jsbarefoot.com. Be sure to follow me on twitter and facebook. And please send in your "buck a show" to keep Barefoot Innovation going. See you soon! Support our Podcast Subscribe Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. Email Address Sign Up We respect your privacy. Thank you!

If you spend a lot of time in Washington, as I do, you see a lot of issues framed around statistics about people, especially medians, and averages. For instance, policies aimed at helping lower-income people typically stratify Americans into categories, in bands above and below median income, or median incomes in their census tracts. I've worked with programs like this for decades -- HUD housing and mortgage programs, the Community Reinvestment Act, and many others. And then one day, someone comes along and goes inside those data categories, and finds out what's really happening in the lives of the people covered by them. And it turns out to be surprising. That is exactly what today's guest did. She is Rachel Schneider, Senior Vice President of the Center For Financial Services Innovation and co-author of the new book, The Financial Diaries: How American Families Cope in a World of Uncertainty. Some years ago, Rachel joined a CFSI study trip to South Africa where she learned about financial diaries methodology -- intimate research that tracks the daily financial lives of individual consumer households. With funding from several organizations including the Omidyar Network, she and NYU Professor Jonathan Morduch undertook a diaries project in the United States. They identified a cross-section of America -- 235 families in a wide variety of circumstances, in communities ranging from Mississippi to Ohio to California to New York City, and had a team spend over a year with each one, mapping every bit of money that flowed into and out of each household. Not surprisingly, they found some alarming trends, which other research has revealed as well. A full fifty-seven percent of households today are considered financially unhealthy -- including a third of those with incomes over $100,000 a year. But by looking closely, they found much more. In particular, they spotlighted a huge issue that had been traditionally masked by the statistical averages -- namely that for many people, the most pressing problem is not actually lack of money, but rather volatility. It turns out that millions of Americans live within their means, in that they spend less than they earn, but struggle nevertheless because they have volatile and unpredictable earnings and expenses. Since they also lack savings, they can't cushion or smooth out their expense spikes and income troughs without relying on high-cost services like payday loans and checking account overdrafts. It's worth pondering the irony that these consumers can afford financial services, as evidenced by the fact that they do -- they actually pay more in interest and fees than other people do. But they are not well-matched to our current models of products, pricing, money management, and risk assessment. CFSI's research has also revealed something else: families that appear identical in the statistical averages may actually be in completely different situations. Some are rising while others are sinking. And some are overwhelmed and confused by financial management, while others are the best money managers in the population, because they have to be -- have to know exactly how much money they will earn, and when it will be in their account, and exactly how much they must pay, and precisely when, and which bills have timing leeway and grace periods and which don't, and then must strategically plan and execute the daily, weekly, and monthly financial plan. As we've discussed in other shows, innovators are working on all these problems -- more affordable smoothing solutions, easier saving, better saving psychology, effortless financial management, ladders toward good credit scores, new data that more accurately evaluate credit risk, and more. We've talked about those in past shows and will cover many more going forward. Most of these innovators begin by trying to understand customers' real-life ways of using money, including by bringing in behavioral science -- recognizing that finance is not just a cerebral process but also an emotional, and social, one. The financial industry will do even better as it aligns the products offered with the ways people think and feel about them. For this deeper understanding, nothing is more illuminating than Rachel's book. In today's show, she helps us get to know some of the people the Diaries tracked, see a little bit into their lives, and learn the strategies they use to make ends meet. In the process, she gives us a lot to think about, beyond the statistics. So...buy the book! It's in the show notes at jsbarefoot.com. And meanwhile, enjoy my conversation with Financial Diaries author Rachel Schneider. More about Rachel and her work Rachel Schneider is a Senior Vice President at CFSI, and co-author of The Financial Diaries: How American Families Cope in a World of Uncertainty. The Financial Diaries connects the findings of the ground-breaking U.S. Financial Diaries research project, which collected highly detailed data about how 235 households save, spend, borrow and plan over the course of a year, with the broad trends upending the economic lives of American families. It uncovers the emergence of a hidden inequality, in addition to disparities in income and wealth – an inequality in access to steady finances. It provides a framework for how to develop products and policies that can help. Rachel is highly sought-after as a consultant and speaker, Her research has been featured in the nation's top publications, including the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and many others, and she speaks frequently at a broad spectrum of events. Though she began her career as an investment banker at Merrill Lynch & Co., Rachel credits her commitment to the potential for innovative finance to solve major social problems from her days as a VISTA Volunteer (now AmeriCorps). She holds a J.D./M.B.A. from the University of Chicago, and a B.A. from UC Berkeley. She lives in New York City with her husband and their two children. She occasionally "competes" in triathlons, which are getting easier to "win" as the number of competitors in her age group shrinks. She says the same cannot be said for improvement in her piano skills. Here are other resources, including items mentioned in the episode: My 2015 blog post on the Diaries project: http://www.jsbarefoot.com/blog/2015/1/5/diary-of-a-mad-financial-system My podcast with CFSI CEO Jennifer Tescher My podcast with Colleen Briggs, JP Morgan Chase My podcast on CFSI Innovation Lab Even: https://even.com/ Omidyar Network Todd Baker's Research at the Harvard Kennedy School Center for Business & Government More for our listeners The next two months will bring a podcast bonanza to Barefoot Innovation, with amazing shows coming up. I just recorded a fascinating one with Christopher Woolard of the UK Financial Conduct Authority on the FCA's innovation initiative, including lessons learned so far from their famous regulatory sandbox. We'll also have one with the Nick Cook, who leads the FCA's innovation work on regtech. We have one coming up with Wells Fargo's Braden More on payments innovation. We'll have Nerd Wallet CEO Tim Chen, and Cross River Bank CEO Gilles Gade. We'll record one in London with the trade association Innovate Finance, and on this side of the pond, we'll have a show with Financial Services Roundtable CEO Tim Pawlenty...to name a few! And, I'll be recording a special series straight from the floor of the American Bankers Association conference on financial crimes, in December. I hope to see many of you there and at other upcoming events. My speech schedule is packed solid from now to the end of the year, which is an indicator of the fast-growing interest in fintech regulation and in regtech. I recently spoke at five events in four cities in four days, and here is some of what's coming up. Central Bank Summit on blockchain and digital currency, October 30 in New York Regtech Rising, November 2, London Asia Finance Forum, Fintech and Sustainable Development, November 8-10, Manilla Monetary Authority of Singapore Fintech Festival, November 13-17, Singapore RegTech Enable, November 27-29th, Washington, DC UN/ITU conference on financial inclusion in Bangalore (invitation only) Fintech Connect Live, December 6th, London American Bankers Association Financial Crimes Enforcement Conference, December 3-5, National Harbor Maryland S&P's Fintech Intel, December 13, New York The African Fintech Forum, December 18-19 in Abidjan, Ivory Coast www.africafintechforum.net Dutch Central Bank, December 20, Amsterdam Please remember to review Barefoot Innovation on iTunes, and sign up to get emails that bring you the newest podcast, newsletter, and blog posts, at jsbarefoot.com. Be sure to follow me on twitter and facebook. And please send in your "buck a show" to keep Barefoot Innovation going. Support our Podcast Meanwhile, don't stop innovating! Subscribe Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. Email Address Sign Up We respect your privacy. Thank you!

My guest today is Andres Wolberg Stok, Global Head of Policy at Citi Fin Tech. We got to know each other this year on a panel at FinXTech in New York, and something I immediately noticed is that he has a special way of talking about innovation -- a very fresh way with words. It might be because he's lived all over the world, or because he was once a journalist -- see his biography below for a sampling of his journalism adventures, which sound like plots of action/adventure movies. All large banks have innovation initiatives -- labs, accelerators, incubators and the like. They're all looking at issues like blockchains, big data, artificial intelligence and human-centered design -- such as, creating a user experience that customers will actually love. Banks have plenty of innovative people, of course -- in our talk, Andres quotes CEO Michael Corbat saying that Citi is actually a technology company with a banking license. However, very few banks of any size have really innovative cultures. This is partly because most are mature organizations, and also because banking has been heavily regulated for so long, which tends to foster conservative, risk-averse cultures and decisionmaking. In today's world of rapid technological change, banks need innovation (and many innovators need banks as well). It's important that the big banks are investing in learning how to do this well. Citi Fin Tech was formed in late 2015 to pursue what Andres calls "fintegration." The impetus was a critical insight: they realized that their customers' standards had fundamentally changed. Instead of comparing Citi to other banks, there was a new yardstick -- comparison to technology firms. That set a new, high bar. Andres explains how they're tackling this challenge. He describes the new kinds of skills they hire. He explains their focus on agile methodology and co-creation of products and learning to experiment. He talks about building multidisciplinary teams that work concurrently on initiatives, instead of sequentially in the old waterfall-style process that could divert an innovation from what had originally made it exciting. He talks about obsessing on the consumer experience and doing thousands of focus groups to understand what customers really think. He also talks about how the bank should "feel in the palm of the customer's hand." He calls mobile an "exoskeleton" for the human mind, connecting us to all the world's information, all the time. He talks about the issues ahead in AI, privacy, and data aggregation, including the challenges for regulators. He says the key, for regulators, is to understand the upside benefits of technology, not just the risks. Andres explains how Citi Fin Tech works with innovators, including startups -- note that he invites people to come and work with them using their API's and data. That site is at https://developer.citi.com. I think my favorite insight is that banks need a new model that's open, not closed. He says the customer relationship used to be one-to-one between a bank and its customers -- and of course, the regulations are still mostly built for that. Now, though, there are multiple parties -- consumers use apps and "modular" financial relationships. If the bank wants to continue to be at the core of that customer relationship, they will have to build an open model -- and regulators will have to change with it. As you listen, think about how regulators and also community banks could get access to this kind of hands-on experience with financial innovation. The sooner they do, the faster the system and its customers will benefit from, as Andres puts it, "breaking a few windows and letting in fresh air and sunshine." More on Andres Andres Wolberg-Stok interfaces with regulators and policymakers around the world as the Global Head of Policy for Citi FinTech, a new unit spearheading the transformation of Citi's Global Consumer Banking business into a mobile-centric "Bank of Tomorrow". He joined Citi from an international personal finance startup and has served in a variety of digital roles, first for Citi Latin America, then for Citi's U.S. consumer businesses, and now globally. Andres was one of the founders of Citi FinTech from his previous role as Global Head of Emerging Platforms and Services for Citi's Consumer businesses. In 2015, Andres turned Citi into the world's first bank with an Apple Watch app. Earlier, as Citi Consumer's first global head of mobile banking, he invented Citi Mobile Snapshot, a patented 2014 breakout feature that made Citi the first major U.S. bank to offer no-login account access. Prior to becoming a banker, Andres was an international correspondent and senior news executive. He had tea with mass-murderer military dictators; was driven, blindfolded and at gunpoint, around the capital of Paraguay after midnight; was arrested in Tierra del Fuego on suspicion of being a British spy; and raced in a car at 120 mph along the edge of a minefield in Croatia. He finds most days in banking very manageable. More for our listeners Please remember to review Barefoot Innovation on ITunes, and sign up to get emails that bring you the newest podcast, newsletter, and blog posts, at jsbarefoot.com. Be sure to follow me on twitter and facebook. And please send in your "buck a show" to keep Barefoot Innovation going. Support our Podcast It was great seeing lots of you at the Online Lending Policy Summit this week in Washington. I'll hope to see many more of you at upcoming events: Source Media's RegTech: Compliance Transformed, October 3-4th, Brooklyn, NY BAI Beacon/Fintech Stage, October 4-5, Atlanta, GA CFSI Network Summit, Fireside Chat with Thomas Curry, October 5, Chicago, IL FISCA, October 5-8th, Las Vegas, NV Money 20/20, October 25th, Las Vegas, NV Central Bank Summit on blockchain and digital currency, October 30 in New York Regtech Rising, November 2, London Monetary Authority of Singapore Fintech Festival, November 13-17, Singapore University of Michigan, November 17, Ann Arbor, MI RegTech Enable, November 27-29th, Washington, DC UN/ITU conference on financial inclusion in Bangalore (invitation only) Fintech Connect Live, December 6th, London S&P's Fintech Intel, December 13, New York Dutch Central Bank, December 20, Amsterdam We have wonderful shows coming up. One is with Braden More, who leads an innovation payments initiative at Wells Fargo. Another is with Giles Gade, CEO of Cross River Bank. And we'll have several from Money 2020, including Nerd Wallet CEO Tim Chen and the FCA's Chris Woolard, whom I'll also be talking with there in a fireside chat. Speaking of Money 2020, I'm excited that the AML regtech firm I've cofounded, Hummingbird, has been selected to do a startup pitch there. Be sure to come and watch! See you there! Subscribe Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. Email Address Sign Up We respect your privacy. Thank you!

This episode is a special treat because it's both fascinating and fun. My guest is Miles Reidy, partner at QED Investors in Alexandria, Virginia. Many people know that QED was founded by former leaders of Capital One, including Cap One co-founder Nigel Morris. They have a terrific track record of investing, focused mainly especially on fintech. Miles and I discussed two topics. One is the outlook for regtech, which he's excited about and so am I. The other, which I know is going to be an audience favorite, is how to find and work with a venture capital firm. On regtech, Miles talks about the technology that's about to make compliance both more accurate and less expensive, at the same time. He talks about compliance costs rising at 20% a year, the impossibility of traditional compliance systems preventing human errors, and how we can now move beyond old sampling-based compliance processes to 100%, real-time data that enables a financial company to know, for sure, if it's compliance or not. I'm excited about it too, because technology is breaking the old binary choice between spending more for better results, or spending less and sacrificing performance. Innovators are making it possible to be better and cheaper, both. On regtech, he also has a cautionary note for the U.S., where our regulatory complexity creates headwinds for innovation. The second half of the show is about working with VC's. I talk all the time with venture firms and have done some angel investing myself, but most of Miles' insights were new to me. He shares what he's learned, especially, from seeing people do all these things wrong, at every stage, from how to approach a VC firm cold (he describes one thing to be sure NOT to do), to how the startup should evaluate the VC, to how to work with the VC when your firm hits problems, which it will. He's especially interesting, I think, on what questions to ask a VC directly, from where their funding comes from and where the fund is in its maturity cycle, to how it handles adversity (he describes the four typical scenarios, three of which are bad!). He also has advice on truly doing diligence on them, including by talking with their companies. The typical startup is so eager for money that it gets seduced by it, and can pick the wrong firm. Miles also explains how he evaluates potential investments. Which factors count more than others? What key metric does he want to see that the founders totally understand? What weaknesses are fatal? And once the company is funded, what are the common mistakes? What mistake is most dangerous for a young CEO? How do you avoid the death trap of hitting the end of the funding runway before you can take off (hint: "sip" on your funds). After we turned off the mic, I asked one more question that people often raise, which is whether fintech and financial regtech firms should focus on the great east coast VC's that specialize in the field -- Miles mentions several in the episode -- or try to get backing from the big, famous firms in the Bay Area. There are pros and cons to each, in terms of sector knowledge, sector network, reputation "glamor," and drawing in talent. Miles has the answer: get both. If we were scoring shows by how many times the guest makes me laugh, I think this one might be the winner. I know you'll enjoy my fascinating conversation with Miles Reidy. More about the episode This is the November conference QED is co-sponsoring (I'll be speaking) RegTech Enable Here is the past podcast I mentioned with Sanjay Jain on the India Stack Sanjay Jain Podcast And here's more on Miles: Miles Reidy is a Partner at QED. Previously he was the Chief Financial Officer for Audax Health, Inc., which offered a digital health engagement product.Miles reoriented the business strategy, built out the analytics functions, raised capital, and oversaw the sale of the company to United Health/Optum. Prior to Audax, Miles was Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer for Network Solutions, one of the largest domestic providers of Internet hosting and marketing services to small businesses, and Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer for Sears Holdings Corporation. Miles spent almost a decade in several executive roles at Capital One Financial Corporation, including Executive in Charge of Banking Integration, Chief Corporate Planning / Financial Strategy Officer and Chief Financial Officer of Capital One Bank and Credit Card. His responsibilities included development and implementation of the corporation's capital and financial strategies, oversight of the card businesses' financials and consumer analytics, and strategic planning. Miles serves on the Boards of the Royal Bank of Canada, US, Heinz School of Public Policy at Carnegie Mellon University, and the Easter Seals of Baltimore/Washington. He is also a investor in Fenway Summer. He holds a B.S. from Georgetown University and a M.S. from Carnegie-Mellon University. More for our listeners Please remember to review Barefoot Innovation on ITunes, and sign up to get emails that bring you the newest podcast, newsletter, and blog posts, at jsbarefoot.com. Be sure to follow me on twitter and facebook. And please send in your "buck a show" to keep Barefoot Innovation going. Support our Podcast I'll hope to see you at the events where I'll be speaking this fall: Online Lending Policy Summit, September 25, Washington, DC RegTech: Compliance Transformed, October 3-4th, Brooklyn, NY BAI Beacon/Fintech Stage, October 4-5, Atlanta, GA CFSI Network Summit, Fireside Chat with Thomas Curry, October 5, Chicago, IL FISCA, October 5-8th, Las Vegas, NV Money 20/20, October 25th, Las Vegas, NV (I'll MC the Sunday regulatory track, host a town hall with senior regulators, moderate a panel, and do a fireside chat with the FCA's Chris Woolard. Be sure to come for Sunday!) Regtech Rising, November 2, London Monetary Authority of Singapore Fintech Festival, November 13-17, Singapore University of Michigan, November 17, Ann Arbor, MI RegTech Enable, November 27-29th, Washington, DC UN/ITU conference on financial inclusion in Bangalore (invitation only) Fintech Connect Live, December 6th, London S&P's Fintech Intel, December 13, New York Dutch Central Bank, December 20, Amsterdam We have wonderful shows coming up. I'll be talking with Andres Wolberg-Stok of Citi Fin Tech. We'll have a show based on my recent fascinating experience with a U.S. Army Threatcasting exercise, learning how to creatively imagine cyber risk and then pinpoint how to prevent it. At Money 2020 I'll record a show with Christopher Woolard, who heads strategy for the U.K. Financial Conduct Authority, and one with Nerd Wallet CEO Tim Chen. I'm very proud to say that the firm I co-founded, Hummingbird Regtech, has been selected to present at Money 2020 in the startup pitch session. Be sure to come and watch! Meanwhile, keep innovating! Subscribe Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. Email Address Sign Up We respect your privacy. Thank you!

I love having guests on the show who look at something that everyone takes for granted and said, why do we do it that way? That's what today's guest, Jason Gross, has done with credit cards. Jason is the CEO of Petal. He and his co-founders have designed a card that has a different business model and aims at a different market. Credit cards have always sparked mixed feelings among consumer advocates and policymakers. On the upside, they provide incredible convenience and safety, over cash. On the down side, critics worry that that convenience factor is a double edged sword -- making spending too convenient and fueling over-consumption and under-saving. People also worry that cards are hard to understand. For decades, policymakers have tried repeatedly to solve that by regulating card disclosures and practices with requirements to disclose the annual percentage rate and fees; make key information prominent in the so-called Schumer Box (named after New York Senator Charles Schumer); require a grace period; bar retroactive raising of interest rates; limit marketing to college students; disclose the long-term costs of paying only the minimum balance and much more. Concern about credit cards prompted Senator Elizabeth Warren, back when she was a Harvard Law professor, to begin fighting what she called "tricks and traps" in financial products, and also business models that rely on penalty fees or interest for their profitability. That concern led to the CARD Act of 2009, and then to the creation of the CFPB itself. The Petal card is trying to solve these challenges. It's offering simpler, more transparent terms. It addresses the overspending problem by designing the card to encourage customers to pay the full balance each month, rather than revolve. And it's tackling a third problem, which is reaching the tens of millions of people who don't have a credit card. For most people, these cards are the first rung on the ladder to building a credit record so that they can later get a car loan or mortgage. Millennials have tended to avoid them, partly due to coming of age in the financial crisis and becoming leery about incurring debt. Jason notes that some young people are "sponsored" into the system by parents who provided them with cards, but for those who aren't, it's hard to build credit. That's a catch 22 -- you can't get a card because you don't have a credit record, and you can't build a credit record because you don't have a card. Petal is solving that with one of the most important kinds of innovations underway in finance, namely, use of alternative data to evaluate risk. They are looking at the person's own payment and income history, as reflected in their bank account, to determine ability to pay. Accessing that information has become controversial, as banks worry about allowing a third party to see this data even with the consumer's permission, in case something goes wrong. However, the ability of consumers to allow such access is the life's blood of most of the innovation underway in consumer finance. The CFPB is evaluating the issues arising around this, including questions like who really "owns" consumers' bank account data, whether third parties' data uses should be regulated, and whether we need to clarify where liability should fall in the event data is misused or breached. A lot of people are working on this issue. Solving it is one of the most important steps we can take toward making finance more inclusive. Listeners have often heard me say that I've spent most of my career working with efforts to promote consumer financial health and inclusion by regulating the financial industry, and that I think the results have been mixed at best! A few years ago, I realized that technology could do most of what we've been trying to do through policy (if we get the policy right). Petal is trying to do that -- use new data and technology to offer a product that they think will be highly profitable -- despite leaving some kinds of revenue on the table -- because consumers will choose it. Watching them will be fascinating. More information Articles on Petal's September launch: https://www.paymentssource.com/organization/simple https://bankinnovation.net/2017/09/no-credit-score-say-hello-to-petal-card/ http://paybefore.com/finance-and-strategy/petal-uses-machine-learning-underwrite-credit-without-credit-score/ http://www.thisisgoingtobebig.com/blog/2017/9/8/introducing-petal-providing-access-to-credit-to-thin-file-consumers https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/your-money/new-credit-card-option-for-those-with-scant-credit-histories.html?mcubz=1&_r=0 Jason's Article in Medium: https://medium.com/@jasonbgross_/petal-ba2bb74718f4 My podcast with Digit CEO Ethan Block (another example of innovators leveraging bank account data) http://www.jsbarefoot.com/podcasts/2016/2/25/effortless-saving-digit-ceo-ethan-bloch More for our listeners Please remember to review Barefoot Innovation on ITunes, and sign up to get emails that bring you the newest podcast, newsletter, and blog posts, at jsbarefoot.com. Be sure to follow me on twitter and facebook. And please send in your "buck a show" to keep Barefoot Innovation going. Support our Podcast I'll hope to see you at the events where I'll be speaking this fall: Finovate, September 13th, New York City RegTech: Compliance Transformed, October 3-4th, Brooklyn, NY BAI Beacon/Fintech Stage, October 4-5, Atlanta, GA CFSI Network Summit, Fireside Chat with Thomas Curry, October 5, Chicago, IL FISCA, October 5-8th, Las Vegas, NV Money 20/20, October 25th, Las Vegas, NV Monetary Authority of Singapore Fintech Festival, November 13-17, Singapore RegTech Enable, November 27-29th, Washington, DC UN/ITU conference on financial inclusion in Bangalore (invitation only) Fintech Connect Live, December 6th, London S&P's Fintech Intel, December 13, New York I'll also be speaking in December to the Dutch Central Bank on financial innovation in December. I do many presentations for regulators and welcome those invitations. Regulators, in my view, have the hardest and most important role to play in financial innovation. We have wonderful shows coming up. I'll be talking with Andres Wolberg-Stok of Citi Fin Tech. And I'm going to do one on one of the most fascinating experiences I've had in years -- I participated this month in the U.S. Army's Threatcasting exercise -- sort of a war-gaming process where we "threatcast" technology risks ten years into the future, and then "backcast" thinking about what we could do, today, to prevent the problem. It was off the chart fascinating. We also have a show coming up with Miles Reidy, Partner at the venture firm QED. Miles and I had a fun and fascinating talk about two topics -- the investment outlook for regtech, and then how to find and work with a venture capital firm. Speaking of RegTech, we're going to have a show with Merlon Intelligence, an AML regtech firm, and also a special show with my own co-founders -- at Hummingbird RegTech. I'm proud to say that Hummingbird has been selected to present at Money 2020 in the startup pitch session. Be sure to come and watch! Meanwhile, keep innovating! Subscribe Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. Email Address Sign Up We respect your privacy. Thank you!