

Our Ancestors Were Messy
Nichole Hill
A recap of the gossip, scandals, and pop culture that made headlines and then history in pre-Civil Rights Era America. Host Nichole Hill takes her guests through the story of an ancestor in search of opportunity, adventure, love, and a way to beat Jim Crow. Along the way, these ancestors make messes that land them in the gossip columns of Black newspapers.
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Episodes
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Jan 28, 2026 • 52min
Paul and Eslanda Robeson: For the Rights of People. For the Rights of Workers. (Part 2)
Essie & Paul’s passions lead them to the front lines of the fight to defeat fascism. Starring Jason Reynolds
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SELECT SOURCES
Eslanda: The Large and Unconventional Life of Mrs. Paul Robeson by Barbara Ransby
The Undiscovered Paul Robeson: An Artist's Journey 1898-1939 by Paul Robeson, Jr.
The Undiscovered Paul Robeson: Quest for Freedom 1939-1976 by Paul Robeson, Jr.
Here I Stand by Paul Robeson
History of America in Ten Strikes by Erik Loomis
Haymarket Book Talk with Barbara Ransby: Eslanda: The Large and Unconventional Life of Mrs. Paul Robeson
The History of Camp Wo-Chi-Ca
The Peekskill Riots Revealed the Racism and Antisemitism Hidden Beneath the Surface of the Anti-Communist Movement by Matthew Schuerman

Jan 28, 2026 • 53min
Eslanda and Paul Robeson: Revolutionaries in the Making (Part 1)
Eslanda Cardozo Goode and Paul Robeson meet and fall in love during the Roaring 20s in Harlem. They give up promising careers and devote themselves to climbing the ladder of fame and fortune. Can their relationship survive the success that follows? Starring Jason Reynolds
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Stay in touch at ouranestorsweremessy@gmail.com
Follow the show on Instagram at @ourancestorsweremessy
Follow the show on TikTok at @ourancestorsweremessy
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Listen on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@OurAncestorsWereMessy
SELECT SOURCES
Eslanda: The Large and Unconventional Life of Mrs. Paul Robeson by Barbara Ransby
The Undiscovered Paul Robeson: An Artist's Journey 1898-1939 by Paul Robeson, Jr.
The Undiscovered Paul Robeson: Quest for Freedom 1939-1976 by Paul Robeson, Jr.
Here I Stand by Paul Robeson
History of America in Ten Strikes by Erik Loomis
How American Slavery Echoed Russian Serfdom by Matthew Wills
Haymarket Book Talk with Barbara Ransby
The Scramble for Africa
Arturo Alfonso Schomburg
The Atlanta Daily World

Jan 21, 2026 • 4min
Coming Soon: Essie and Paul Robeson (Jan. 28th)
Host Nichole Hill shares the story behind Black History Month ahead of the 100th anniversary of it’s celebration and gives listeners a sneak peek of a new episode coming out on January 28th.To learn more about the show and keep in touch, check out https://ourancestorsweremessy.comTo access bonus content and support this independent production visit https://ourancestorsweremessy.supercast.comTo stay in touch email ouranestorsweremessy@gmail.com or follow the show @ourancestorsweremessy on Instagram

Sep 3, 2025 • 35min
Feature: The Lonesome Hearts Column with NPR’s Code Switch (plus an announcement!)
Was dating any easier in the past? Nichole Hill joins Gene Demby and B.A. Parker, hosts of NPR's Code Switch, to put this question to the test by traveling back in time to 1937, using archival personal ads from the Washington Afro-American newspaper. Together, the trio gets a small taste of what it was like for Black folks to date almost a century ago. Turns out, the ancestors were messy, too!Support this independent production and access bonus content at https://ourancestorsweremessy.supercast.comStay in touch at ouranestorsweremessy@gmail.comFollow the show on Instagram at @ourancestorsweremessyFollow the show on TikTok at @ourancestorsweremessyLearn more about the show at https://ourancestorsweremessy.comListen on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@OurAncestorsWereMessy

May 14, 2025 • 1h 19min
Nora Holt: The Lives and Loves of Harlem's Legendary Blonde Bombshell
A musical prodigy from Kansas becomes a renowned race woman in Chicago, a tabloid sensation in Harlem, and a musical force the world over. These are the many lives and loves of one of the most famous women of the era: Nora Holt. Starring Natalie Tulloch and Christabel Nsiah-BuadiSupport this independent production and access bonus content at https://ourancestorsweremessy.supercast.comStay in touch at ouranestorsweremessy@gmail.comFollow the show on Instagram at @ourancestorsweremessyFollow the show on TikTok at @ourancestorsweremessyLearn more about the show at https://ourancestorsweremessy.comListen on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@OurAncestorsWereMessy SOURCESNora Holt: The Most Famous Woman You've Never Heard Of by Imani PerryNora Holt by Matthew GuerrieriNora Holt: New Negro Composer and Jazz Age Goddess by Cheryl A. Wall"Strange What Cosmopolites Music Makes of Us": Classical Music, the Black press, and Nora Douglas Holt's Black Feminist Audiotopia by Lucy Caplan

May 14, 2025 • 3min
Minisode: What's Next for Our Ancestors Were Messy
Host Nichole Hill shares updates about the future of the show.To learn more about the show and keep in touch, check out https://ourancestorsweremessy.comTo access bonus content and support this independent production visit https://ourancestorsweremessy.supercast.comTo stay in touch email ouranestorsweremessy@gmail.com or follow the show @ourancestorsweremessy on Instagram

May 7, 2025 • 57min
The Emperor Jones: Our Ancestors' Favorite Play
In 1920, Emperor Jones was a bona fide Broadway hit. The controversial play’s lead is Charles Gilpin, the first Black man to head up an integrated cast on the Great White Way. Gilpin enjoys fame, accolades, and universal acclaim…but he does have a note for his playwright Eugene O’Neil. A note that will make and break careers and change the course of Black history! Starring Dr. Chioke I'anson and Amaya.Support this independent production and access bonus content at https://ourancestorsweremessy.supercast.comStay in touch at ouranestorsweremessy@gmail.comFollow the show on Instagram at @ourancestorsweremessyFollow the show on TikTok at @ourancestorsweremessyLearn more about the show at https://ourancestorsweremessy.comListen on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@OurAncestorsWereMessy SOURCESThe Emperor Jones by Eugene O'NeilPreserving African-American Cinema: The Case of The Emperor Jones by Jennie Saxena with contributions from Ken Weissman and James Cozart"The Truth About Haiti: An NAACP Investigation" by James Weldon JohnsonCharles Gilpin. The Kennedy CenterJackson Ward and its Black Wall Street. National Park ServiceBeyond Tulsa: The Historic Legacies and Overlooked Stories of America's Black Wall Streets. Time MagazineThe Richmond Planet is digitized and stored at The Library of Congress.

Apr 23, 2025 • 52min
Drs. Anna and Percy Julian: The Affair That Helped Birth The Pill
In the summer of 1932, Anna and Percy learn that their scandalous love affair has been exposed on the front page of the most popular Black newspaper in DC. They were on their way to making history but now that the secret’s out, their futures hang in the balance. Starring Nygel Turner.Support this independent production and access bonus content at https://ourancestorsweremessy.supercast.comStay in touch at ouranestorsweremessy@gmail.comFollow the show on Instagram at @ourancestorsweremessyFollow the show on TikTok at @ourancestorsweremessyLearn more about the show at https://ourancestorsweremessy.comListen on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@OurAncestorsWereMessy SOURCESJulian the Trailblazer by Peter TysonForgotten Genius. Nova. PBS"Reclaiming a Black Research Scientist's Forgotten Legacy" by Felicia R. Lee"DuSable Exhibit Highlights Juilan 'Power Couple'" by Robert FeltonYou can read the Washington Afro American newspaper which is still in print and holds the distinction of being one of the oldest continuously published Black newspapers in AmericaYou can support the archiving and sharing of this newspaper at Afro Charities

Apr 16, 2025 • 4min
Coming Soon: Drs. Anna and Percy Julian (Apr. 23)
Host Nichole Hill shares how listeners can support the show and a sneak peek at next week's episode.To learn more about the show and keep in touch, check out https://ourancestorsweremessy.comTo access bonus content and support this independent production visit https://ourancestorsweremessy.supercast.comTo stay in touch email ouranestorsweremessy@gmail.com or follow the show @ourancestorsweremessy on Instagram

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Apr 9, 2025 • 1h 8min
Zora Neale Hurston vs. Langston Hughes: The Pleasures & Perils of Working With Friends
Alicia Walters, an artist and writer, dives into the tumultuous relationship between Zora Neale Hurston and Langston Hughes. They discuss their creative partnership during the Harlem Renaissance, fraught with ambition, patronage, and personal struggles. Walters highlights how outside pressures led to conflict over authorship of 'Mulebone,' revealing the emotional turmoil of their friendship. The conversation also touches on Hurston's enduring legacy and the value in understanding the messiness of historical relationships in creative collaborations today.


