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Welcome to the autonomous age - a world where AI, borderless networks, and flexible talent replace the drudgery of corporate drones. NASA, Microsoft, and yes, beloved beer brand Carlsberg get it. So will you. Each week, Tony Buffum and Matthew Mottola, leading executives and entrepreneurs behind Human Cloud, will introduce you to the exact technology, tools, and talent solutions you need to navigate this new age. Skip the fluff. Get straight to work transforming your talent strategy through today’s leading technology.
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Aug 5, 2025 • 15min
Ep. 189: Jocelyn King, CEO of Virgil HR — Upskilling HR, Compliance Automation, and Tech Literacy
Jocelyn King, founder and CEO of Virgil HR, joins host Tony Buffum to talk about what it takes for HR to lead in today’s tech-driven workplace. With a background as an HR practitioner, Jocelyn shares how she built a compliance automation platform to eliminate the manual headaches HR teams face daily, especially when navigating fast-changing laws across cities and states.They explore why HR is still behind other functions in digital transformation, the barriers to adopting new tech, and how HR can become more tech literate without losing its human focus. Jocelyn highlights the importance of change management, explains how AI is changing the HR workforce, and breaks down why upskilling HR professionals is more important than ever.If you’ve ever struggled with implementing new tools, questioned how to stay compliant without slowing down, or wondered how AI will impact the people function, this episode is for you.

Jul 30, 2025 • 45min
Ep. 188: Craig Short, Co-Founder & CTO of Gigged.ai — AI, Skills, and Enterprise-Ready Talent Solutions
Leaders,In this episode, Craig Short, Co-Founder and CTO of Gigged.ai, shares how a side project connecting freelancer friends turned into an enterprise platform trusted by global brands. Craig walks through Gigged’s evolution from a simple gig-matching tool to a skills intelligence platform helping companies manage AI, internal talent, and flexible workforces.He explains how AI is boosting productivity without replacing people, and why human interaction remains critical in enterprise hiring. Craig also shares what it’s like to build a tech company in Scotland, why job titles are becoming less meaningful, and how the future of work depends on visibility into skills and the ability to match people and agents effectively.

Jul 24, 2025 • 42min
Ep. 187: Beau Billington, Founder of The Free Agent, Building Curated Talent Networks and Redefining Fractional Work
Leaders,Beau Billington joins us to share his path from corporate burnout to launching The Free Agent, a boutique talent platform built on transparency, curation, and strategic impact. Motivated by the need for better work-life balance and more meaningful connections, Beau explains why flexible talent is quickly becoming essential for growing companies.He breaks down what has changed in the last two years, how business leaders are rethinking traditional roles, and what it takes to build trust between companies and their talent. From the origin story behind the name The Free Agent to how he scopes and prices fractional talent engagements, Beau shares practical insights from building a model that works for both clients and executives.If you're building a modern workforce, figuring out how to scale strategically, or want to understand what “fractional” really looks like in practice, this episode brings clarity and real-world perspective.

Jul 16, 2025 • 43min
Ep. 186: Ryan Tlustosch, Founder & CEO of Ourly — Flexible Talent Simplified And The Power of a W2 Marketplace for Knowledge Workers
Leaders,In this episode, Ryan Tlustosch, Founder and CEO of Ourly, brings over two decades of experience in flexible labor marketplaces and 14 years in professional temporary staffing to the conversation. He shares lessons learned from his time at Robert Half and explains how Ourly was designed for knowledge workers who prefer W2 employment. Only handles payroll, benefits, and workers’ comp while averaging 36-hour weeks on engagements that often run from three months up to 18 months or more. He also reveals how a self-sorting community and hiring-manager-led vetting process maintain quality, and why educating organizations about W2 models is essential. Whether you’re exploring ways to tap specialized expertise or looking to reduce co-employment risk and streamline workforce planning, Ryan shares practical insights for both enterprise and SMB teams.

Jul 9, 2025 • 43min
Ep. 185: Tony Jefts, GM & Head of Topcoder — Crowdsourcing, AI, and the New Rules of Software Development
Leaders,Tony joins us to break down what over two decades of crowdsourced software development can teach us about the future of work.He shares how Topcoder evolved from a coding competition into an enterprise-ready platform within Wipro, and why the crowd remains essential for solving complex, outlier problems that AI alone can’t handle.We unpack how AI and the crowd can complement each other, what makes crowdsourcing work at scale, and why flexibility, skill loyalty, and clear outcomes matter more than ever.Tony also reflects on lessons from the dot-com era, emphasizing that customer problems, not technology, should drive decision-making, and how leaders can get started with crowdsourcing today without needing to “read a book first.”If you're navigating how to build better and faster with fewer constraints, this episode is a masterclass in what works.

Jul 2, 2025 • 50min
Ep. 184: Ian White, Founder & CEO at Charthop, Transforming Workforce Strategy With AI-Driven People Analytics
Leaders,In this episode, Ian reveals how his journey through tech startups led him to challenge the status quo in HR with Charthop. He discusses breaking into the HR space as an outsider, why traditional HR systems fall short of strategic workforce planning, and how embracing flexible structures, from matrix teams to on-demand talent, drives resilience in a rapidly changing workforce. Ian unpacks the transformative power of AI in people analytics and real-time scenario planning, showing HR leaders how to shift from compliance to a strategic partnership. Tune in to learn practical steps for integrating data and AI to build a future-ready organization.

Jun 25, 2025 • 51min
Ep. 183: Cüneyt Erpolat, Co-Founder & Board Member at Champs, Powering Global CX with AI and a Human-Centered Model
Leaders,Cüneyt Erpolat joins us to explore how AI, flexible talent, and global reach are transforming customer experience. With over 30 years in tech, including leadership roles at Microsoft, Alibaba, and now as Co-Founder of Champs CX, Cüneyt shares why CX is far more than call centers—it’s about delivering meaningful, human interactions at scale.He explains why Champs chose Turkey as its base, leveraging the country’s deep talent pool and multilingual workforce to build a globally competitive CX platform. Cüneyt also discusses why customers still crave human connection, how AI is reshaping, not replacing, the CX landscape, and what today’s enterprise leaders need to rethink when scaling support operations.If you're leading a CX budget or rethinking your workforce model, this conversation will challenge how you define quality, loyalty, and operational flexibility.

Jun 18, 2025 • 25min
Ep. 182: Executive Briefing, Freelance Unlocked 2025 — The Global State of Flexible Talent
Leaders,Flexible talent didn’t just survive in 2024—it evolved. But the road ahead is more complex. From AI disruption to changing demand across regions, freelancers face both new risks and new opportunities.In this special keynote recorded live at Freelance Unlocked 2025 in Berlin, Matthew Mottola shares the latest insights on where the freelance economy is heading through 2025 and into 2030. You’ll hear how the industry is shifting from freelance to flexible, why infrastructure like EORs and payment rails matter more than ever, and what freelancers and organizations must do now to stay competitive.Whether you’re leading transformation or building a career on your terms, this executive briefing outlines the roadmap.

Jun 11, 2025 • 56min
Ep. 181: Mark Mullinix, General Manager, Singapore at The Fractional Directory — Flexible Work in Asia and the Rise of the Fractional Model
Leaders,Mark Mullinix joins the Human Cloud Podcast to unpack the rapid rise of fractional work across Asia. Based in Singapore with nearly two decades of experience in the region, Mark explains why startups are turning to fractional roles for strategic talent, how flexible leadership differs from freelance or consulting, and what drives demand across fast-growing markets.He shares the unique cultural and structural dynamics that influence adoption in Asia, why the flexibility of fractional roles is becoming essential for startups and SMBs, and how platforms like the Fractional Directory are making access to top-tier talent more seamless.He discusses the emergence of “SWAT teams” of fractional leaders, the challenges enterprise companies face in adapting to flexible models, and why Singapore is positioned to lead the next wave of global talent transformation, powered by government support and an evolving ecosystem of flexible professionals.If you're navigating how to scale with less risk and more impact, this episode offers practical insight into what’s working now in one of the world’s most innovative talent markets.

Jun 4, 2025 • 57min
Ep. 180: Ron Hetrick, Principal Economist at Lightcast, The Labor Market Storm No One’s Ready For
Leaders,What happens when the labor force shrinks, demand surges, and we’ve overproduced college degrees at the expense of essential workers?Ron Hetrick, Principal Economist at Lightcast and author of The Rising Storm, joins us to break down the structural cracks in today’s labor market and what leaders must do before the storm hits in 2027. From healthcare and construction to tech and AI, Ron explains why the real problem isn’t just talent supply, but misaligned expectations and outdated strategies.We unpack the rising impact of labor force inversion, the flawed cultural obsession with college degrees, and why critical jobs like nursing, skilled trades, and food production are the hardest to fill. Ron also outlines the four paths forward: local hiring, immigration, automation, and global talent.This episode is a wake-up call for executives. Workforce planning is no longer an HR function. It is now a core business strategy. Whether you're scaling AI teams or keeping frontline operations running, it’s time to rethink how you attract, develop, and retain the people who keep your business alive.


