

The Retirement and IRA Show
Jim Saulnier, CFP® & Chris Stein, CFP®
What do you get when you combine two knowledgeable CFP® PROFESSIONALS (one also a well-informed COLLEGE FINANCE INSTRUCTOR)? If you mix in relevant financial information and a healthy dose of humor you get the Retirement and IRA Radio Show! JIM SAULNIER, a CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER™ Professional with Jim Saulnier and Associates who specializes in retirement planning for clients across the country, CHRIS STEIN, a Finance Instructor at Colorado State University who is also a CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER™ Professional, offer real-world knowledge on a diverse range of topics including Social Security planning, investing for your retirement, the fundamentals of 401(k) and IRA accounts. Jim and Chris make learning about your retirement both educational and entertaining!
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Jul 2, 2025 • 1h 17min
Broker vs Advisor Sold RILAs: EDU #2527
Chris’s Summary:Jim and I examine broker vs advisor sold RILAs using real cap rate comparisons from 2024 to highlight how identical contracts can offer different outcomes. We explain how six-year outcome periods work, what locking in gains actually does, and when fees can reduce returns more than commissions. This episode is less about product bias and more about understanding the trade-offs between access, structure, and transparency in how these annuities are priced and delivered.
Jim’s “Pithy” Summary:
Chris and I return to RILAs because, well, June wasn’t enough! We had more to say—especially about the quirks of six-year outcome periods and how they affect investor expectations. A listener email pointed out that clients often get emotionally attached to growing RILA balances, forgetting that those numbers aren’t locked in until the full term ends. That’s especially true with longer terms like six years, where market swings can reverse paper gains. We explain how this can lead to misunderstandings about what’s really protected—and when.
We also dig into the mechanics of locking in gains early. Some RILAs let you reset into a new term right away, while others force you into a cash-style holding account until the original term ends. That difference can make or break your returns. And if you’re thinking “buffered ETFs already do this,” you’re right—we talk about that too.
But the real highlight today is the cap rate comparison between broker vs advisor sold RILAs. Same insurance company. Same date. Same indexes. And yet, in multiple examples, the commission-based version offered meaningfully better cap rates—even after accounting for advisor fees. In one case, the broker version had a 60% cap while the advisor version capped at 30%. So much for the narrative that fee-only automatically means better. It’s a great reminder that both commissions and fees are just compensation structures—and neither tells you whether a product is actually better for the client.
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Jun 28, 2025 • 1h 30min
PSAs, Spousal Benefits, Annuity Use Cases, and FIAs: Q&A #2526
Jim and Chris shares listener PSAs on IRMAA and Delayed Retirement Credits, and answer questions on Social Security Spousal Benefits, annuity use cases, and fixed indexed annuity payout concerns.
(13:00) A listener shares a PSA about a positive Medicare and IRMAA reduction experience at a Central Florida SSA office.
(19:00) Georgette follows up with a PSA confirming her husband received all delayed retirement credits despite a February 1 birthday.(26:45) George asks whether his wife will be automatically moved to a spousal Social Security benefit when he files, or if she needs to apply separately.(37:45) Jim and Chris provide clarification on what problems different types of annuities are designed to solve and when each might be used.(1:03:45) The guys address a listener’s concerns about a specific fixed indexed annuity, asking whether a MYGA or money market alternative would offer better long-term value.
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Jun 25, 2025 • 54min
RILAs vs Buffered ETFs: EDU #2526
Chris’s Summary:Jim and I explore registered index-linked annuities and compare RILAs vs buffered ETFs across liquidity, taxation, and cap rate dynamics. We walk through how the insurance and investment structures differ, where principal protection varies, and how commission-based and advisory products compare from a fiduciary standpoint. I also explain the tax treatment of qualified versus non-qualified annuities and why IRD status matters when evaluating options for legacy planning.
Jim’s “Pithy” Summary:Chris and I dig into RILAs—Registered Index-Linked Annuities—and boy, do these things get pushed hard. They’re the lovechild of fixed indexed annuities and variable annuities, designed to sit in the middle of the risk spectrum. I call them the insurance industry’s answer to buffered ETFs and structured notes. The appeal? Some downside protection, some upside potential, and growing popularity with both brokers and RIAs.
But here’s the kicker: the same annuity from the same insurance company can have wildly different cap rates depending on whether it’s sold by a broker (commission-based) or an investment advisor (fee-based). I’ve seen broker-sold versions offer higher cap rates than advisory versions—even after paying a commission! That’s why I harp on this: if you’re considering one, you’ve got to compare both sides of the distribution channel. Otherwise, you might end up paying an advisor 1% a year and getting less upside than if you’d bought it through a broker. It also pays to compare RILAs vs buffered ETFs with regard to taxation, liquidity, and advisor compensation. These all factor into whether these products make sense.
I’m not anti-RILA. They can be compelling—especially in IRAs where the tax downsides of non-qualified annuities don’t bite as hard. But outside retirement accounts, the tax treatment stinks: no step-up in basis, income taxation, IRD status—it’s a mess. So, if you’re going to lock up your money, know exactly what you’re giving up in liquidity and tax flexibility. And for heaven’s sake, check those cap rates side-by-side!
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Jun 21, 2025 • 1h 32min
Social Security PSAs, FIAs, SPIAs, and MYGAs: Q&A #2525
Jim and Chris begin with three PSAs on Social Security experiences, then answer questions on fixed indexed annuities with market value adjustments, SPIA payout options for the Minimum Dignity Floor, and the tax aggregation rule for MYGAs.(11:30) In this PSA Georgette clarifies that her husband, born February 1, received January benefits at full age 70, with payments starting at the end of January.(19:45) A listener shares a PSA about their struggle recovering original documents from the SSA after submitting an IRMAA appeal and only getting help after contacting her senator.(24:15) The guys read a PSA from a listener whose Social Security application was approved, but his first payment was withheld due to how he reported earnings; he later filed an appeal and was paid.(36:00) George asks why the EDU episode on Fixed Indexed Annuities didn’t mention five-year FIAs with market value adjustments and no surrender fees, noting one issuer allows early access with interest rate risk.(54:00) Jim and Chris address when they may recommend SPIAs with life-only vs. return of premium options, discussing how payout levels vary based on longevity risk-sharing.(1:12:15) A listener asks whether a 1035 exchange into a different insurer’s MYGA can avoid the tax aggregation rule; Jim explains how proration works and why the trade-off might not be worth the hassle.
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Jun 18, 2025 • 1h 32min
Fixed Indexed Annuities: EDU #2525
Chris’s Summary:Jim and I continue our focus for Annuity Awareness Month by explaining how fixed indexed annuities work and the regulatory nuances that distinguish them from other fixed products. We walk through their structure, common misconceptions, when they can be appropriate, and how to compare them to MYGAs and buffered ETFs. We also highlight the motivations behind annuity recommendations in the financial services industry and the risks of proprietary index products.
Jim’s “Pithy” Summary:With Annuity Awareness Month continuing through June, Chris and I wade into the world of fixed indexed annuities—what they are, how they work, and why they’re not universally good or bad. I explain how they use options to generate index-like returns, how the “fee is baked in,” and how they compare to MYGAs and the buffered ETFs Wall Street has been offering over the past five or six years. If you’re locking up your money for five or ten years, you need to understand what you’re getting—and what the person recommending it is getting too.
We also break down how advisory platform annuities are changing the landscape. Advisors who used to bash annuities now love them—because they can charge their AUM fee inside the annuity without holding an insurance license. But the one actually recommending the product and earning the commission? That’s the wholesaler, and they’re not a fiduciary. And while some moves might be justified, I’ve seen plenty that just don’t sit right. If someone’s trying to move you from one annuity to another, you’d better ask what you’re giving up—and what they’re getting in return.
I also share what I found digging into one of those so-called “uncapped” proprietary indexes. I used ChatGPT’s deep research tools and spent a good 45 minutes pulling disclosures apart—and what I found didn’t impress me. These indexes often skim returns off the top and bury fees most agents can’t explain. If you’re being sold one of those, do some homework. We’ll get into RILAs next week—because yes, I ran out of time.
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Jun 14, 2025 • 1h 22min
Social Security, HSA Rules, SPIA Funding, and FIA Details: Q&A #2524
Jim and Chris address questions on Social Security survivor benefits, unreimbursed HSA expenses, SPIA funding from multiple accounts, and Fixed Indexed Annuity details.
(7:45) Georgette asks whether drawing her own reduced Social Security benefit at 62 will affect her ability to switch to her deceased husband’s full survivor benefit at age 67.
(23:15) A listener follows up on an HSA discussion, asking whether reimbursing heirs with a shoebox of unreimbursed receipts is valid post-death, or if only unpaid bills qualify.
(33:00) The guys address a question about funding a SPIA when assets are distributed across various accounts like IRAs, Roths, and brokerage accounts.
(52:15) Jim and Chris respond to a listener who wants clarification on the features, surrender schedule, and commission of a fixed indexed annuity a friend recently purchased in his IRA.
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Jun 11, 2025 • 1h 22min
Understanding Annuity Types and Features: EDU #2524
Chris’s Summary:Jim and I discuss annuity types and features during Annuity Awareness Month, focusing on immediate vs. deferred annuities and fixed vs. variable structures. We cover how each type works, what they offer, and where caution is warranted.
Jim’s “Pithy” Summary:Chris and I continue our Annuity Awareness Month series by diving into the foundational aspects of annuities—what they are, how they work, and what to watch out for when buying one. We explain the four primary annuity types and features—immediate, deferred, fixed, and variable—and share why understanding the difference between a noun and a verb matters in this world. When you annuitize, that’s the verb; you’re locked in, and there’s no getting out. That’s why we call deferred income annuities a big commitment—once you’re in, there’s no divorce clause!
I share my concerns with the tax deferral hype, especially when annuities are held inside IRAs. Many folks mistakenly believe they’re gaining tax advantage, but in reality, they might just be compounding future tax headaches. We talk about how annuities can offer principal protection and guaranteed lifetime income—but not all annuities do both. And we dive into what happens if you die early or live long, covering things like period-certain options, cash refunds, and installment refunds.
We also walk through the origin of single premium immediate annuities as a modern-day answer to tontines—yes, those ancient, now-outlawed mortality pools where surviving members collected increasingly larger checks. Mortality credits are still alive and well, just repackaged into today’s SPIAs. And if you’ve ever been pitched a variable annuity with enhanced death benefits or living benefits, we explain how those work, what they really cost, and why you need to read the fine print. From mortality and expense fees to revenue-sharing subaccounts, there’s a lot going on behind the scenes.
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Jun 7, 2025 • 1h 25min
Bond ETFs, Social Security, 401k Annuities, and Annuitization: Q&A #2523
Jim and Chris answer questions on defined maturity bond ETFs, Social Security account linking and spousal offsets, 401k annuities vs IRA Annuities, and annuitization definitions.(14:30) Jacob joins the guys to explain how estimated net acquisition yield works for defined maturity bond ETFs, including how to interpret it and evaluate risk when holding through maturity.(38:30) A listener asks about sending a marriage certificate to Social Security for account linking and whether there’s any confirmation of linking on SSA.gov.(44:15) George wonders whether his wife will automatically receive a spousal benefit increase once he claims Social Security at age 70, and how to confirm PIA and eligibility.(52:30) Jim and Chris address a suggestion that annuities held inside 401k plans may be less tax efficient than IRA annuities because of RMD aggregation rules.(1:06:45) A listener asks why so few annuities are annuitized and whether turning on income from a DIA or SPIA counts as annuitization.
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Jun 4, 2025 • 1h 9min
Annuities in Retirement Planning: EDU #2523
Chris’s Summary:Jim and I kick off our annual Annuity Awareness Month series by explaining how using annuities in retirement planning can help manage longevity risk and provide guaranteed income. We cover when they’re worth considering, what they actually solve for, and how they might fit into a plan—if at all. We also explain why many people are skeptical of annuities and why, in many cases, that skepticism is justified.
Jim’s “Pithy” Summary:
Chris and I launch our annual series for National Annuity Awareness Month with a foundational discussion on annuities: what they are, why they exist, and how we use them—sparingly but strategically—in retirement planning.
This episode lays out the key insurance roles of annuities: to protect against longevity risk and to provide principal guarantees. We explain the importance of matching secure income to the Minimum Dignity Floor, especially for clients who worry about running out of money or spending too little early in retirement. We also touch on the emotional and cognitive benefits of predictable income streams—what I call “bottomless cup of coffee” money. It helps people feel secure, simplifies decisions as we age, and eases the burden on a less-involved spouse.
We explore the history of how annuities got such a bad rap—some of it deserved, especially when the industry prioritized commissions and free dinners over client outcomes. I also share how my own financial education at Boston University drilled anti-annuity rhetoric into my head, even while praising the “three-legged stool” of Social Security, pensions, and savings. It made no sense: the annuity was the obvious substitute for the lost pension leg. If you’re a regular listener, you already know we’re not annuity salespeople, and we certainly don’t hate them either. We see them as tools, and just like dogs, you match the tool to the task. You wouldn’t take a bichon duck hunting, and a Chesapeake Bay retriever doesn’t belong in a carry-on crate. Same principle with annuities.
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May 31, 2025 • 1h 16min
Social Security Filing, Roth 5-Year Rule, HSA Strategy, and Bond Principal: Q&A #2522
Jim and Chris answer listener questions on Social Security filing, a PSA on SSA’s online application process, the Roth 5-Year Rule, HSA strategy, and bond principal risk.
(8:00) A listener asks whether Social Security’s claim that delayed retirement credits aren’t applied until the end of the following year is accurate, and whether anyone receives them without persistent follow-up.
(29:15) The guys share a listener PSA with their experience applying for Social Security online and highlights the confusing communications around application status and approval timelines.
(18:15) George asks how and when to apply for Social Security if they want benefits to begin at age 70 and their birthday falls on the first of the month.
(35:45) Jim and Chris respond to a question about whether each Roth conversion has its own 5-year clock, even for someone over age 59½ with existing Roth IRAs.
(42:15) Georgette wonders how the Roth 5-Year Rule applies to non-spouse beneficiaries and whether it transfers from the original account holder.
(48:00) A listener shares their HSA strategy as a substitute for long-term care insurance, along with personal experience on how cafeteria plan deductions affected Social Security earnings.
(56:00) The guys explain whether bondholders risk losing principal at maturity when interest rates rise significantly.
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