Sense-Making in a Changing World

In this episode of Sense-Making in a Changing World, it is my delight to welcome Dr Pavel Cenkl, Head of Schumacher College and Director of Learning at Dartington.  We talk about the kind of higher education we need in the world today, and explore the innovative and immersive programs offered at the College - from Holistic Science, Regenerative Food and Farming, Ecological Design Thinking, and more.Pavel has worked for more than two decades in higher education where there is learning with practice and thinking with embodiment. He  has been at the college now for a few years and developing new courses too at the intersection of movement practice, ecological thinking, and environmental philosophy. Pavel is also a passionate endurance and adventure runner. Over the past five years through a project called Climate Run. Pavel has covered hundreds of miles in the Arctic and subarctic on foot to bring attention to the connections between our bodies and the more-than-human world in the face of a rapidly changing climate.Pavel holds a Ph.D. in English and is the author of many articles, chapters, and two books. Most recently he has co-edited a book celebrating the 30th anniversary of Schumacher College with Satish Kumar, Transformative Learning: Reflections on 30 Years of Head, Heart, and Hands at Schumacher College. New Society Publishers, 2021.You can watch the youtube version here.PERMACULTURE AS TRANSFORMATIVE EDUCATIONIn my twenties, I studied at Schumacher College and the integrated way of learning in community was absolutely inspiring and transformative.  I have since taught at the College a number of times. The head heart and hands learning experience that I experienced at the College as a young woman is what I weave into the fabric of the face-to-face courses I create and the Permaculture Educators Program online.Permaculture is education for one planet living and through the course you become immersed in all kinds of skills and cultivate connections that support the transition to regenerative ways of being. The world needs more I'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the show_____MORAG GAMBLEFounder, Permaculture Education InstituteMorag's CoursesPodcast BlogPodcast YouTube: Podcast InstagramLinkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/moraggamble/I am a possibilitarian and I believe HumanKINDness.In this podcast my guests and I explore How are we to live? Really live, as nature ourselves, tending the conditions where life can thrive. We ask How do we become the kind of humans this moment is asking us to be?This podcast is one of my acts of myceliation. Each conversation is a thread in a vast network of people speaking up for life with love and care. This podcast beams out from my hand-built solar-powered studio in the midst of a permaculture food forest in a permaculture ecovillage on Gubbi Gubbi country.If this episode lights something in you, pass it to one person who needs it. That is how myceliation works.

In this episode of Sense-Making in a Changing World, it is my delight to welcome Willow Berzin - a wonderfully creative designer & thinker, and founder & chief assembler of the Coalition of Everyone. Through this she brings people together to hold conversations that renew trust, disrupt the politics of fear and build a politics of hope. Her key focus is on contributing to regeneration through designing pathways for transition and real systems change - deep democracy which puts people and the planet first.Willow and I are both part of   Regenerative Songlines Australia and she is a core member of Regen Melbourne inspired by Kate Raworth's Doughnut Economics.You can watch the youtube version here.Other projects include:THE FUTURENOW PROJECT REGEN INCUBATOR If you have an idea/s for a regen project that you want to make happen, but are looking for ways to help realise it, please email willow@coalitionofeveryone.com to register your interest to join a new Regen Incubator program, piloting in Melbourne mid year. Willow mentioned these references:Thomas Campbell: My Big Toe (theory of everything)Jeremy Lent: The Patterning InstinctOECD: Catching the Deliberative Wave________________________________Download this list of 10 of Morag's favourite books.Morag's 4 part introduction to permaculture video series.________________________________TEACHING PERMACULTURE FOR TI'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the show_____MORAG GAMBLEFounder, Permaculture Education InstituteMorag's CoursesPodcast BlogPodcast YouTube: Podcast InstagramLinkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/moraggamble/I am a possibilitarian and I believe HumanKINDness.In this podcast my guests and I explore How are we to live? Really live, as nature ourselves, tending the conditions where life can thrive. We ask How do we become the kind of humans this moment is asking us to be?This podcast is one of my acts of myceliation. Each conversation is a thread in a vast network of people speaking up for life with love and care. This podcast beams out from my hand-built solar-powered studio in the midst of a permaculture food forest in a permaculture ecovillage on Gubbi Gubbi country.If this episode lights something in you, pass it to one person who needs it. That is how myceliation works.

It is my pleasure to share with you this Sense-making in a Changing World conversation with Dr Brian von Herzen, the executive director at Climate Foundation, initiator of the marine permaculture movement and member of the Permaculture Education Institute.  Marine permaculture has been featured on the 2040 Movie and in Paul Hawken's latest book, Drawdown. Listen in to find out more about Marine Permaculture - what it is, how it works, what benefits it has for ecosystem restoration and reversing climate change, as well as local livelihoods in the global south and contribution to land-based permaculture systems. Marine permaculture is an innovation in permaculture that has the potential to make a significant contribution. Brian is working closely with permaculture co-founder David Holmgren, to describe how the terrestrial and marine permaculture approaches align, and how the permaculture principles are incorporated into the marine context.You can watch a previous permaculture masterclass that Brian and I made together about Marine Permaculture  (80 min) and also choose to watch this podcast here on youtube.________________________________Download this list of 10 of Morag's favourite books.Morag's 4 part introduction to permaculture video series.________________________________FIND OUT MORE ABOUT PERMACULTUREJoin me to learn more about permaculture. Come and explore the many free permaculture resources my Our Permaculture Life Youtube  and blog .The world needs more permaculture teachers everywhere sharing local ways of one planet living, and working toward a climate-safe future through design, resilience and connection. I invite you to join the I'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the show_____MORAG GAMBLEFounder, Permaculture Education InstituteMorag's CoursesPodcast BlogPodcast YouTube: Podcast InstagramLinkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/moraggamble/I am a possibilitarian and I believe HumanKINDness.In this podcast my guests and I explore How are we to live? Really live, as nature ourselves, tending the conditions where life can thrive. We ask How do we become the kind of humans this moment is asking us to be?This podcast is one of my acts of myceliation. Each conversation is a thread in a vast network of people speaking up for life with love and care. This podcast beams out from my hand-built solar-powered studio in the midst of a permaculture food forest in a permaculture ecovillage on Gubbi Gubbi country.If this episode lights something in you, pass it to one person who needs it. That is how myceliation works.

This week I had the great pleasure of talking with highly sought-after farmland restoration and rehydration expert,  Natural Sequence Farmer, Stuart Andrews about what we need to be doing to restore Australian farming landscapes, ecosystems and food systems. We also explore the close connection between Natural Sequence Farming and Permaculture. There are pure gems in this conversation. I thoroughly enjoyed this chance to catch up with Stuart again. Stuart Andrews is a farmer who has dedicated over 30 years of his life to understanding, practicing and teaching land rehabilitation techniques. He was raised at the 1500 acre “Tarwyn Park” in NSW, the celebrated home of Natural Sequence Farming, pioneered by his father Peter Andrews OAM. Natural Sequence Farming (NSF) is now internationally recognised as a significant innovation in sustainable agriculture and land care, and the story of Tarwyn Park has featured many times on the ABC program Australian Story - and here on another episode about Mulloon Farm .Stuart has been involved in public education for most of his adult life and is passing this gift to his sons too, who now run tours at Forage Farms near Gympie - further down the Mary River from where I live.I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did!YOUTUBE VERSIONWatch this episode on Sense-Making in a Changing World Youtube & Subscribe.________________________________Download this list of 10 of Morag's favourite books.Morag's 4 part introduction to permaculture video series.________________________________FIND OUT MORE ABOUT PERMACULTUREJoin me to learn more about permaculture. Come and explore the many free permaculture resources my Our Permaculture Life Youtube  and blog .The world needs more permaculture teachers everywhere sharing local ways of one planet living, and woI'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the show_____MORAG GAMBLEFounder, Permaculture Education InstituteMorag's CoursesPodcast BlogPodcast YouTube: Podcast InstagramLinkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/moraggamble/I am a possibilitarian and I believe HumanKINDness.In this podcast my guests and I explore How are we to live? Really live, as nature ourselves, tending the conditions where life can thrive. We ask How do we become the kind of humans this moment is asking us to be?This podcast is one of my acts of myceliation. Each conversation is a thread in a vast network of people speaking up for life with love and care. This podcast beams out from my hand-built solar-powered studio in the midst of a permaculture food forest in a permaculture ecovillage on Gubbi Gubbi country.If this episode lights something in you, pass it to one person who needs it. That is how myceliation works.

It is my great pleasure to welcome Dr Michelle Maloney to Sense-Making in A Changing World. I've known and worked Michelle for years and deeply respect her clarity and  commitment to the earth. Michelle is widely known as an Earth Laws (Peaceful) Warrior . She is an extraordinary connector of changemakers and host of  wide-reaching networks and challenging conversations. At the core of her work, Michelle advocates for systems change, in order to shift industrialised societies from a human-centred, to an Earth centred governance system.We talk here about her work and the intersections with permaculture. I hope you enjoy this wide-ranging conversation.More about MichelleDr Michelle Maloney is a lawyer and advocate for Earth centred law and governance.  She is Co-Founder and National Convenor of the Australian Earth Laws Alliance (AELA), Adjunct Senior Fellow, Law Futures Centre, Griffith University; and Director of the New Economy Network Australia (NENA) and Future Dreaming Australia – an organisation created by Indigenous and non-indigenous leaders to promote cross cultural sharing of governance and ecological knowledge in Australia.  Michelle is on the Steering Group for the International Ecological Law and Governance Association (ELGA), and was on the Executive Committee of the Global Alliance for the Rights of Nature (GARN) from 2012-2020.  Michelle has 30 years’ experience designing and managing climate change, sustainability and environmental justice projects in Australia, the United Kingdom, Indonesia and the USA, and this includes ten years working with First Nations colleagues in Central Queensland on a range of community development, sustainability and cultural heritage projects.  Michelle met and fell in love with Earth jurisprudence and Earth laws in 2009 and since 2011 has been working to promote the understanding and practical implementation of Earth centred governance and systems change – with a focus on law, economics, ethics, education and the arts - through her work with AELA.YOUTUBE VERSIONWatch this episode on Sense-Making in a Changing World Youtube & Subscribe.________________________________Download this I'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the show_____MORAG GAMBLEFounder, Permaculture Education InstituteMorag's CoursesPodcast BlogPodcast YouTube: Podcast InstagramLinkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/moraggamble/I am a possibilitarian and I believe HumanKINDness.In this podcast my guests and I explore How are we to live? Really live, as nature ourselves, tending the conditions where life can thrive. We ask How do we become the kind of humans this moment is asking us to be?This podcast is one of my acts of myceliation. Each conversation is a thread in a vast network of people speaking up for life with love and care. This podcast beams out from my hand-built solar-powered studio in the midst of a permaculture food forest in a permaculture ecovillage on Gubbi Gubbi country.If this episode lights something in you, pass it to one person who needs it. That is how myceliation works.

I am so happy to introduce you to Sarah Queblatin - the co-founder of Green Releaf in the Phillipines in this episode of Sense-making in a Changing World.  Sarah and I met as part of Re-Alliance - a global permaculture humanitarian initiative, we are both permaculture teachers, Global Ecovillage Network Ambassadors and members of Permaculture for Refugees.   We also have a connection because she is one of the key leaders of a brand new program for youth run by the Global Ecovillage Network Oceania and Asia - which my daughter, Permayouth co-founder, took part in just recently called ReGEN Nations. This is the kind of enabling collaborative ecosystem she designs - others include Re:Source Regeneration Labs with Green Releaf, and the 4 Returns Labs with Commonland.We also share our activism roots in peace and both work towards whole systems change through education.Sarah is passionate about transforming the narrative of Disaster Risk Reduction or DRR, into that of Designing for Resilience and Regeneration for communities affected by disasters, displacement, and unsustainable development.  Her passion project, Living Story Landscapes, weaves traditional ecological knowledge (TEK) and permaculture using the arts and culture in designing places of remembrance, resilience, and regeneration in climate and conflict vulnerable communities. Sarah is also an artist, using creativity as a pathway for personal and collective transformation. You can learn more about her work via www.soilsoulstory.comYOUTUBE VERSIONWatch this episode on Sense-Making in a Changing World Youtube & Subscribe.________________________________Download this list of 10 of Morag's favourite books.Morag's 4 part introduction to permaculture video series.________________________________LEARN MORE ABOUT THE WORLD OF PI'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the show_____MORAG GAMBLEFounder, Permaculture Education InstituteMorag's CoursesPodcast BlogPodcast YouTube: Podcast InstagramLinkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/moraggamble/I am a possibilitarian and I believe HumanKINDness.In this podcast my guests and I explore How are we to live? Really live, as nature ourselves, tending the conditions where life can thrive. We ask How do we become the kind of humans this moment is asking us to be?This podcast is one of my acts of myceliation. Each conversation is a thread in a vast network of people speaking up for life with love and care. This podcast beams out from my hand-built solar-powered studio in the midst of a permaculture food forest in a permaculture ecovillage on Gubbi Gubbi country.If this episode lights something in you, pass it to one person who needs it. That is how myceliation works.

Joe Brewer, a pioneer in regenerative design and founder of the Center for Applied Cultural Evolution, joins to discuss living regeneratively and the seeds of cultural transformation. He emphasizes the importance of experiential education rooted in permaculture, advocating for community-driven solutions. The conversation also delves into embracing Indigenous wisdom and fostering emotional connections with the Earth. Lastly, they explore the significance of raising children in eco-villages, preparing them for a sustainable future while cultivating resilience and interconnectedness.

In this episode of Sense-Making in a Changing World, we take a dive into the kind of education the planet (and humanity) needs us to share with the young people in our lives ... of all ages. My guest is author, educator, activist and cultural creative - Lucy Legan. Lucy has recently launched her latest book, Planet Schooling . She is also co-founder of the most substantial permaculture/regenerative education centre in Latin America, Ecocentro IPEC which she started about 25 years ago in Brazil with her partner, Andre Soares that has hosted thousands of learners and visitors. Lucy like me lives and breathes a permaculture life and I am so inspired by the work that she has done around the world following her passion for earth care, people care and fair share. She has implemented permaculture and ecoliteracy education programs (planet schooling) in so many contexts - from schools to festivals around the world. I invite you to join us in this conversation about the many dimensions of planet schooling. It's a brilliant concept - a platform for schools and homeschoolers alike. Particularly as education has been turned on it's head this past year, and we need to reconceptualise what education is for,  what is at the core of what we teach,  how we share it and where it happens. LUCY'S NEW BOOKPlanet Schooling - How to create a permaculture living laboratory in your backyardLucy explores how very garden has the potential to equip the young people in our lives with the skills to create their future. She has included more than 150 activities for all ages of children from K-12. Essentially this book is a creative and fun practical guide to constructing a living laboratory in your own backyard (or front yard, balcony, verge, school ....). ________________________________Download this list of 10 of Morag's favourite books.Morag's 4 part introduction to permaculture video series.________________________________LEARN MORE ABOUT THE WORLD OF PERMACULTURE WITH I'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the show_____MORAG GAMBLEFounder, Permaculture Education InstituteMorag's CoursesPodcast BlogPodcast YouTube: Podcast InstagramLinkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/moraggamble/I am a possibilitarian and I believe HumanKINDness.In this podcast my guests and I explore How are we to live? Really live, as nature ourselves, tending the conditions where life can thrive. We ask How do we become the kind of humans this moment is asking us to be?This podcast is one of my acts of myceliation. Each conversation is a thread in a vast network of people speaking up for life with love and care. This podcast beams out from my hand-built solar-powered studio in the midst of a permaculture food forest in a permaculture ecovillage on Gubbi Gubbi country.If this episode lights something in you, pass it to one person who needs it. That is how myceliation works.

In this episode I am speaking with my friend and colleague, Maddy Harland from England. Maddy is the cofounder of both Permanent Publications and the Permaculture Magazine with her husband Tim. Their publishing company has released over 100 permaculture books (including two of her own) since 1992 and she has created over 100 issues of the magazine.Maddy has made an incredible contribution to permaculture through publishing and she is an educator, speaker, author and global regeneration activist as an advisor to the Cloudburst Foundation, and founder of the Sustainability Centre in East Meon.Maddy talks candidly about how she's found balance during the lockdowns. walking ancient Celtic trails, gardening and beekeeping. She also talks about how she rapidly redesigned her permaculture publishing business using permaculture principles in 2020  to meet the new conditions -  Brexit and the pandemic - and come out with greater strength and focus. She says with everything that has happened, the popularity of permaculture has just sky-rocketed. Her new books are selling out before they've been released!In the conversation we talked about: Grounded: A Gardeners' Journey to Abundance and Self-Reliance by Liz Zorab, Cultural Emergence: A Toolkit forTransforming Ourselves and the World  by Looby Macnamara. See my interview with Looby a few weeks back here.  & get Looby's ebook: 7 Ways to Think Differently hereIf you want to watch this episode, hop on over to:  and make sure you subscribe to my new YouTube channel specially for this podcast.________________________________Download this list of 10 of Morag's favourite books.I'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the show_____MORAG GAMBLEFounder, Permaculture Education InstituteMorag's CoursesPodcast BlogPodcast YouTube: Podcast InstagramLinkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/moraggamble/I am a possibilitarian and I believe HumanKINDness.In this podcast my guests and I explore How are we to live? Really live, as nature ourselves, tending the conditions where life can thrive. We ask How do we become the kind of humans this moment is asking us to be?This podcast is one of my acts of myceliation. Each conversation is a thread in a vast network of people speaking up for life with love and care. This podcast beams out from my hand-built solar-powered studio in the midst of a permaculture food forest in a permaculture ecovillage on Gubbi Gubbi country.If this episode lights something in you, pass it to one person who needs it. That is how myceliation works.

Welcome to Episode 30 of Sense-Making in the Changing World (watch here on youtube) with  Cate McQuillen - the creative powerhouse behind EMMY Award winning Dirt Girl World, Get Grubby TV that are screened on ABC TV and other amazing children's programming. I see it as brilliant permaculture education - offered in the most FUN way for kids (and their families) everywhere. For over a decade Cate has been breathing life and heart into this wondrous world for children to inhabit and explore with profound impacts personally and culturally - for the kids, for the families and communities. From her home in the Northern Rivers area of NSW, Australia - Cate's Dirt Girl World has reached 126 countries and millions of people each week. Her team include partner, Hewey Eustace - writer of all the amazing Dirt Girl World songs, Dirt Girl herself, Scrap Boy and of course, Costa the Garden Gnome  - otherwise known as the Logie-winning ABC Gardening Australia host.Rippling out from Dirt Girl, Cate has created early childhood curriculum,  dirt girl maths, supported community programs in indigenous communities and the reef.Cate is a change maker who wears her heart and her values on her sleeve, and has created a whole new world with her visual storytelling. Even with the recognition that the task of creating a climate-safe world that likes ahead of us is profoundly huge, Cate maintains and accessible, inviting and hugely engaging way to create the conditions where lasting behaviour change can happen.This week she is launching her new campaign throughout 2021 Declare to Care  - listen in to hear all about this and how to get involved and make your own Declaration.Cate is an extraordinary creative force for positive change and encourages us all to have the courage to step up too.________________________________Download this list of 10 of Morag's favourite books.Morag's 4 part introduction to permaculture video series.________________________________LEARN MORE ABOUT THE WORLD OF PERMACULTURE WITH MORAG GAMBLEExplore the permacuI'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the show_____MORAG GAMBLEFounder, Permaculture Education InstituteMorag's CoursesPodcast BlogPodcast YouTube: Podcast InstagramLinkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/moraggamble/I am a possibilitarian and I believe HumanKINDness.In this podcast my guests and I explore How are we to live? Really live, as nature ourselves, tending the conditions where life can thrive. We ask How do we become the kind of humans this moment is asking us to be?This podcast is one of my acts of myceliation. Each conversation is a thread in a vast network of people speaking up for life with love and care. This podcast beams out from my hand-built solar-powered studio in the midst of a permaculture food forest in a permaculture ecovillage on Gubbi Gubbi country.If this episode lights something in you, pass it to one person who needs it. That is how myceliation works.