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Joseph Lee, an Aquinnah Wampanoag writer and freelance climate and indigenous affairs reporter, brings a unique perspective to the conversation. He discusses the rich diversity of Native American identities and the vital yet complex stories that media often overlook. Lee shares his experiences covering climate change impacts on Indigenous communities, including the Shoshone’s land restoration efforts and the contentious Donlan Goldmine Project. He emphasizes the importance of mapping a hopeful future while navigating the challenges of identity and environmental resilience.

In 1970, marine architect Charlie Canby got an odd assignment: Design a 600-foot ship for an undisclosed purpose and an undisclosed customer. Only after it was built did he finally find out what it was for. “I was dumbfounded,” he said. “I drove away in a daze. I could not believe what we were really doing.”In this episode, reporter Daniel Ackerman tells the unbelievable story of a boat, a government conspiracy, and the birth of a new industry that could change the way we look at oceans forever. Featuring Charlie Canby, Andrew Thaler, Wernher Krutein, and Hank Philippi RyanProduced by Daniel Ackerman. For full credits and transcript, visit outsideinradio.org.SUPPORTOutside/In is made possible with listener support. Click here to become a sustaining member of Outside/In. Follow Outside/In on Instagram or join our private discussion group on Facebook.LINKSCheck out this 1975 New York Times article published after reporters discovered the true mission of the Glomar Explorer.A corporate update for shareholders detailing The Metals Company’s recent test of deep-sea mining. Another archival report from The New York Times details the SEC investigation into whether investors in the Glomar Explorer were misled. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on Outside/In, we’re sharing an episode from our friends and partners at Common Land.Common Land explores the creation stories behind protected land. Each season takes a deep dive into the history, science and politics behind the creation of one particular patch of protected, common land.Season two of Common Land, produced in partnership with New Hampshire Public Radio, follows documentarian Matthew Podolsky as he attempts to thru-hike the Appalachian Trail with his 65-year-old mom, Candy. Matt and his mom face extreme weather, illness, and injury as they trek 2,200 miles from Georgia to Maine. Along the way, Matt shares stories of remarkable people, surprising history, and the modern challenges facing the Appalachian Trail — all as the iconic footpath marks its 100th anniversary.You can listen to episode two of the new season right now, on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you prefer to listen. SUPPORTOutside/In is made possible with listener support. Click here to become a sustaining member of Outside/In. Follow Outside/In on Instagram or join our private discussion group on Facebook. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Gabriel Philip Santos, a paleontologist and museum curator, joins the discussion on how Jurassic Park shaped ideas about dinosaurs. He highlights the film's role in kickstarting a dinosaur renaissance while also addressing its inaccuracies, like the unfeathered raptors. The conversation dives into the influence of popular media on public perceptions and the responsibilities filmmakers have in portraying science accurately. They explore how the amber-DNA cloning myth became embedded in our culture, leaving lasting impacts on both fans and the scientific community.

In this episode, we’re taking your questions on the subject of sound. We talk about tinnitus, “the mind’s ear,” and the celebrity voices we have strong feelings about, from Bob Ross to President Obama, Michael Barbaro to Ira Glass.So strap your earbuds in, we’re going for a ride! What are tintinnabula, and the first wind chimes in the world? What exactly is ASMR, and what makes it feel good? Why does my cat make twitter sounds when she sees birds? Why do frogs sing together around the same tiny pond? If a tree falls in the woods, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? Does the environment influence the evolution of a language? If we have a “mind’s eye” do we have a “mind’s ear?” What’s tinnitus? Featuring Ilija Dankovic, Craig Richard, Alejandro Vélez, Seán Roberts, Sarah Theodoroff, and Tara Zaugg.For full credits and transcript, visit outsideinradio.org.SUPPORTOutside/In is made possible with listener support. Click here to become a sustaining member of Outside/In.Follow Outside/In on Instagram or join our private discussion group on Facebook.LINKSCheck out these 3D models of a tintinnabulum held by the British Museum.The ASMR clips used in this episode are from @CelainesASMR, Coromo Sara. ASMR, @ASMRCrinkle, and @marlenaasmr481. If you want to listen to Craig Richard’s ASMR podcasts, they are Sleep Whispers, and Calm History.Learn more about the effect drier climates might have on language, especially tonal ones, and about the overlap between biodiversity and language diversity.For more information about tinnitus from the VA, check out the National Center for Rehabilitative Auditory Research. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Explore the fascinating roots of lawns in American culture, revealing their ties to power, wealth, and even racism. Discover how caring for lawns serves as personal expression, especially in marginalized communities. Dive into the clash between lawn aesthetics and dire water conservation needs in drought-affected Utah. Learn about the alarming environmental impact of excessive watering and the need for sustainable landscaping practices to save vital ecosystems. This discussion sparks reflection on our cultural relationships with green spaces.

This summer, more than 100 cruise ships will visit the small city of Portland, Maine, dropping thousands of passengers onto the city’s commercial waterfront for lobster rolls, local souvenirs and a quintessential New England experience. But as Portland has rapidly become a landmark destination for cruise lines, a group of activists are calling into question the long held narrative that cruise ships provide a dependable economic boom. Producer Marina Henke spent the months leading up to the 2025 cruise season charting these muddy waters. For small coastal cities like Portland, are cruise ships really the economic generator that the industry claims them to be? Featuring JoAnn Locktov, Jack Humeniuk, Joe Redman, Jacques de Villier, Zach Rand, Brian Fournier, Kevin Rodriquez, Martha Honey and Dan Kraus.Produced by Marina Henke. For full credits and transcript, visit outsideinradio.org.SUPPORTOutside/In is made possible with listener support. Click here to become a sustaining member of Outside/In. Follow Outside/In on Instagram or join our private discussion group on Facebook.LINKSMartha Honey is the co-founder of the Center for Responsible Travel. She’s the editor of the book “Cruise Tourism in the Caribbean: Selling Sunshine” which includes much of her own research on the economics of cruise ships. You can find Portland Cruise Control on Bluesky or at their website portlandcruisecontrolmaine.org. In 2019, Colin Woodward published “Pier Pressure”, a three-part series out of The Portland Press Herald documenting the rise of the cruise ship industry across Maine. Are you a Portland local? You can see a schedule of all cruise ship arrivals at maine.portcall.comPortland is not the only city to face rapid cruise growth. Check out Cruise Boom, a PBS documentary focused on the cruise industry's footprint in Sitka, Alaska.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Growing up, Kiese Laymon thought of himself as a city kid. But he spent his childhood with a foot in two worlds: his mom’s house in the capital city of Jackson, Mississippi and his grandma’s house in a rural country town.It wasn’t until Kiese left Mississippi that he came to understand that this question of city versus country actually meant a lot more. It carries a lot of baggage: the tensions between north and south, tectonic historical forces, and the contradictions of life in Mississippi.In this episode, our producer Justine Paradis sits down with writer Kiese Laymon for a conversation on this question of country versus city, what that has to do with the history of Black life in this country, and the story of Kiese’s first children’s picture book, his latest in a lifelong exploration of a complicated love of Mississippi.Featuring Kiese Laymon.Produced by Justine Paradis. For full credits and transcript, visit outsideinradio.org. SUPPORTTo share your questions and feedback with Outside/In, call the show’s hotline and leave us a voicemail. The number is 1-844-GO-OTTER. No question is too serious or too silly.Outside/In is made possible with listener support. Click here to become a sustaining member of Outside/In. Follow Outside/In on Instagram, BlueSky, Tiktok, or join our private discussion group on Facebook. LINKSKiese Laymon’s first children’s book, City Summer, Country Summer. If you’d like to read more by Kiese, we recommend “Da Art of Storytellin’ (A Prequel)”, his essay about Outkast, his grandmother, and stank. (Oxford American)Kiese adapted City Summer, Country Summer from this 2020 prose-poem essay. (New York Times) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

One of our listeners is in a pickle. He’s looking to buy an engagement ring but wants to make sure the diamond comes from an ethical and sustainable source. So he sent us an email asking for help. This is our latest addition of “This, That, or the Other Thing.” It's a series about the choices we make in our lives to try and build a more sustainable world, whether they have any effect, and what we can do instead if they don't.Today… Host Nate Hegyi looks into the most sustainable ways to source that big, sparkly rock. Should it be a diamond from the ground? A diamond grown in a lab? Or maybe a different gemstone altogether? Featuring Saleem Ali, Rachelle Bergstein and Anna Provost.Produced by Nate Hegyi. For full credits and transcript, visit outsideinradio.org. SUPPORTOutside/In is made possible with listener support. Click here to become a sustaining member of Outside/In. Follow Outside/In on Instagram or join our private discussion group on Facebook. LINKSVisit our website to see Justine's sapphire engagement ring.You can find a copy of Rachelle Bergstein’s book here. She was also featured on this episode about diamonds, from 99% Invisible. The Kimberley Process helped reduce the number of conflict diamonds in the world – here’s a list of countries that are participants. Anna Provost features a lot of her really cool Montana-mined sapphires on Instagram. A recent study in the journal Nature found that mining diamonds produces millions times more greenhouse gas emissions than growing them in a lab. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alexis Nikole Nelson, better known to her millions of fans as @blackforager, was raised by a mother who is an avid gardener and a father who loves to cook. Foraging allowed Alexis to fuse her love for wild plants and food from a very young age.But before Alexis became the @blackforager many know today, there was a period in her life where Alexis lost that love and connection to foraging, and where food became very much the enemy.This episode comes to us from our friends at Going Wild with Dr. Rae Wynn-Grant, a podcast about the human drama behind saving animals. From a paleoanthropologist who hunts fossils in conflict zones, to someone who helped save an endangered species while in prison, show host and wildlife biologist Dr. Rae Wynn-Grant takes us inside the work of the extraordinary people who are protecting wildlife.Featuring Alexis Nikole Nelson.For full credits and transcript, visit outsideinradio.org. SUPPORTOutside/In is made possible with listener support. Click here to become a sustaining member of Outside/In. Follow Outside/In on Instagram or join our private discussion group on Facebook. LINKSYou can find Alexis Nikole Nelson’s videos on Tik Tok and Instagram.Also, be sure to check out Going Wild with Dr. Rae Wynn-Grant. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices