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Nona Lim is forecasting 2020 to be the first profitable year for her namesake brand. As she explained in an interview in this episode, it took a lot of saying "no" to get to this point. The Nona Lim brand, launched in 2014 as a spin-off of Lim's ahead-of-its time meal kit company, markets a variety of better-for-you and convenient Asian-inspired foods, including broths, sippable soups and noodle bowls. The products are sold nationally at Whole Foods and at select Walmart locations, along with hundreds of independent retail and chain locations. As part of our conversation, Lim spoke about the company's development and path to profitability was guided by a clear strategy and a willingness "to say 'no' to top-line growth that isn't in line with our profitability requirements." "Say 'no' to business that's not going to give you the minimum gross margin target that you have set," she said. "Say 'no' to retailers that ask for too much, because you can't afford it." Lim also discussed the variety of ways that she funded her upstart brand prior to accepting venture capital and why she advises early-stage entrepreneurs to retain a bookkeeper or accountant. She also spoke about how she negotiates favorable terms with suppliers, what it means to be "fiscally disciplined" and why she describes venture capital as a "double-edged sword." Show notes: 0:40: "Buttoned Up" Booze, Savory Bars and a Buddy's Donuts -- The episode's hosts chatted about a recent visit from Bobby Romano, who leads sales efforts for Rochester, NY-based Black Button Distilling, riffed on the development of the savory bar category, munched on vegan pork rinds and discussed challenges in brand revamps. 15:53: Nona Lim, Founder/CEO, Nona Lim -- Lim joined Taste Radio editor Ray Latif for an interview recorded at the 2020 Winter Fancy Food Show in San Francisco. Lim spoke about her role as a board member of the Specialty Food Association, which hosts the annual event, how competitive fencing led to the creation of her meal kit company in 2006 and why she chose soup as the initial product line for the Nona Lim brand. She also discussed the three hallmarks of the brand, why slowing down the pace of innovation was a key learning early on and how microloans, equipment leases and government subsidies can be useful for new entrepreneurs. Later, Lim explained why it's critical to manage working capital, how she identified the right time to take venture capital and why she jokes that a partnership with an investor is "worse than getting married." Brands in this episode: Nona Lim, Black Button Distilling, Tig Snacks, Mediterra, PigOut Rinds, Beanfields, Snacklins, Jim Buddy's, Onu, Rau Chocolate, Sonu, Starbucks, Poppi, Kitu Life, Bulletproof, Blue Apron

Twelve years since launching Eboost, a brand of natural energy powders and ready-to-drink beverages, founder and CEO Josh Taekman reflected on his entrepreneurial journey with a measure of regret. In an interview included in this episode, he admitted that he's made some big mistakes -- including a few near-fatal ones for the brand. He acknowledged that Eboost has been chronically underfunded and that he missed the boat on key hires during critical moments in its development. That's not to say that Eboost hasn't seen its share of victories, including earning national distribution at 7-Eleven for its energy shots, announcing a highly publicized partnership with fitness celebrity Jillian Michaels and landing a spot on Oprah Winfrey's coveted "List of Favorite Things." Throughout the years, Taekman said that he's taken the highs and lows of his business in stride. He knew Eboost wasn't going to be an overnight success, and explained that persistence, tenacity and an unrelenting belief in the brand's potential have been his most crucial assets. "When someone says 'you can't do it' or 'I dare you to do it,' to me it's 'of course I can, and I will through perseverance and grit,'" he said. "The thing that kept me going is that I truly loved the product," he said. "In my heart of hearts, I knew we had a great product and a great brand." As part of our conversation, Taekman chronicled his career path from music marketing, including a partnership with hip-hop and fashion mogul Sean "P. Diddy" Combs, to beverage entrepreneurship with energy platform brand Eboost, and also discussed why he initially focused on non-traditional retail and how he landed a joint venture with AriZona Beverage Co. to produce and distribute the product. Show notes: 1:26: Josh Taekman, Founder/CEO, Eboost -- In his interview with Taste Radio editor Ray Latif, Taekman spoke about why he moved to New York City after college, how he landed a meeting with Bad Boy founder Sean Combs (aka P. Diddy) and eventually founded the company's marketing division. He also discussed why a proposed joint venture between Combs and Nantucket Nectars was scrapped, the impetus for launching Eboost and the company's initial focus on distribution at hotels and gyms. Later, he explained why a deal with 7-Eleven didn't work out as planned, benefitting from the perception that Eboost was a bigger brand that it actually was, why he regrets not focusing on direct-to-consumer sales earlier on and the reason that the company rebranded. Taekman also explained how he convinced AriZona Beverages co-founder/CEO Don Vultaggio to partner with Eboost and why he wishes that his investors would have asked him to step down as CEO. Brands in this episode: Eboost, Nantucket Nectars, Mistic, Snapple, AriZona, Sprite, Pepsi, Red Bull, Monster Energy, Redline, Berocca, Emergen-C, Muscle Milk, Vitaminwater, Zipfizz, VOSS, Nuun, Coca-Cola, Snickers, Toblerone, Bai, 5-hour Energy, Rockstar Energy, Stacker2, SK Energy, RxBar, Bang Energy

This week, we're joined by Nick Guillen and Nick Ajluni, the founders of TRUFF, a fast-growing brand of upscale, truffle-infused hot sauces that are promoted as "the pinnacle of heat experience." Founded in December 2017, TRUFF quickly became known for its sleek packaging and decadent flavors, eventually becoming one of the top-selling hot sauce brands on Amazon and a favorite among chefs and celebrities, including Oprah Winfrey, who included TRUFF on her coveted "List of Favorite Things" in 2018 and 2019. Amid surging sales, last year the company raised its first round of capital at a valuation of over $25 million. As part of our conversation, Guillen and Ajluni spoke about how their shared backgrounds in digital media and streetwear fashion contributed to the creation of TRUFF and how Instagram factored into the brand's design and aesthetic. They also explained why it took two years to get to a finished product their thoughtful approach to retail and why investors are betting on them as entrepreneurs as much as they are the brand. Show notes: 1:12: Meet Us On The West Coast. We Might Have Crunchy Pepperoni To Eat -- The episode opens with an important note about Soundcloud, details about an upcoming meet-up at our new office in San Diego, and why we can't stop eating pepperoni crisps. The hosts also chatted about an upstart brand of yaupon drinks, sweet "little secrets," (another) new hangover beverage, why flavor usually counts more than function and a seltzer brand that seems a bit agitated. 16:50: Nick Guillen & Nick Ajluni, Co-Founders, TRUFF -- In an interview recorded at the 2020 Winter Fancy Food Show, Guillen and Ajluni sat down with Taste Radio editor Ray Latif for a conversation of their "luxury lifestyle, digitally native" brand, beginning with its roots on Instagram and why they chose to launch a hot sauce business. They also discussed their process for formulation and package design, learnings from prior entrepreneurial endeavors, why they are trying to "influence the influencer" on social media and the role that high-profile advisors/investors Aaron Levant and Jon Buscemi play in the company. Later, they spoke about the importance of community management and exceptional customer service, how TRUFF is merchandised at retail stores, key details that they wanted to communicate in their investor deck and what they view as their highest value for the brand. Brands in this episode: Union Whole Earth Snacks, Cap'n Crunch, Yayaya, Hello Tomorrow, The Plug, Morning Recovery, Little Secrets, ThinkNoo, Moon Juice, Humblemaker Coffee, Hint Water, Angry Seltzer, Hello Water, Truff, Ciroc

Miyoko Schinner literally wears her passion for veganism on her sleeve. A few moments prior to our interview with Schinner, the founder of plant-based cheese and butter company Miyoko's Creamery, she p revealed a large tattoo just below her right shoulder. Printed in block letters were the words "Phenomenally Vegan," a credo that defines Schinner and her company, which was built on "the principle of compassion for animals and eliminating them from food production." But she wasn't always so upfront about her beliefs. As part of our conversation, Schinner explained that during the company's first few years, she was concerned that its mission wouldn't resonate with mainstream consumers and avoided speaking about it. Yet her perspective changed following an industry event in which she opened up about her convictions and received a surprisingly positive response. "I finally realized at some point you have to stand for what you believe in," Schinner said. "You have to be true to your nature, to your soul, to the world. And you have to become transparent." As part of our conversation, Schinner spoke about how her interest in veganism led to the brand's genesis and why she describes Miyoko's as "a mission with a company." She also discussed the importance of empowering employees and ensuring they align with the brand's ethos, why she believes that to change the world companies have to work with the powers that exist and why investors "have to love you for who you really are." Show notes: 1:21: Miyoko Schinner, Founder/CEO, Miyoko's -- Schinner sat down with Taste Radio editor Ray Latif for an interview recorded at the 2020 Winter Fancy Food Show and spoke about her history as resident and business owner in the Bay Area, why she blames poor leadership for past failures and early struggles with Miyoko's and why it was critical to communicate the company's mission in a way that didn't alienate non-vegan employees. She also discussed the importance of creating great-tasting vegan food, why the company offers its workers a wide-range of job benefits and how she reconciled -- and dealt with the criticism over -- Miyoko's short-term partnership with Nestle USA. Later, she explained why investors are like spouses, her personal approach to social media, why the company is hiring a president and why she'll eventually feel comfortable stepping away from day-to-day responsibilities. Brands in this episode: Miyoko's, Tofurky, Nestle, La Colombe

John Sorial admits that his company should have gone out of business -- several times. Sorial is the founder of TaDah Foods, a maker of plant-based, Mediterranean-inspired foods, including frozen falafel wraps and bite-size falafel poppers. Launched in 2011, TaDah was on an upward trajectory during its first five years, picking up distribution at retailers across the U.S. and generating annual sales of $2.3 million at its peak. In 2016, however, TaDah's co-packer became financially insolvent and sent Sorial scrambling to find a new manufacturing partner. Unable to fill retail orders, the company went into a tailspin and seemed unlikely to recover. "You can weather a lot of difficulties and challenges, but having your product unavailable for several months, that's almost the kiss of death," he said in an interview included in this episode. Sorial hung on for three tenuous years and described the period as "the most lonely and challenging of my life… it was just one bad day after another." A glimpse of hope arrived in 2019 when Sorial was offered an opportunity to present on the ABC pitch competition show "Shark Tank." The appearance yielded a $500,000 investment from guest shark and Kind Snacks founder/CEO Daniel Lubetsky and invaluable media exposure, both of which have reinvigorated TaDah. As part of our interview, Sorial spoke in depth about how he navigated the company through constant challenges while under duress. He also discussed the inspiration behind TaDah, why finding a co-packing partner is like getting married, how he prepared for "Shark Tank" and what it was like to turn down an offer from Mark Cuban. Show notes: 1:35: Blueberry Oat Milk? Fermented Tea Aioli? Fancy That! -- The episode's hosts convened in the press room at the 2020 Winter Fancy Food Show for a conversation about notable products they encountered at the annual event. Among the snacks and beverages mentioned were functional teas, latte-flavored chocolate, plant-based pork rinds and juice-infused cascara drinks. 15:24: Interview: John Sorial, Founder, TaDah Foods -- Sorial met with Taste Radio editor Ray Latif at BevNET HQ and spoke about how his upbringing shaped the creation of TaDah, why it's critical for plant-based packaged foods to be flavorful and how he leaned on his engineering background to formulate and produce a complex product. He also explained why transparency and authenticity is key to building strong and lasting relationships and how "difficult discussions" with vendors and investing in himself helped keep the brand afloat during a challenging period. Later, Sorial discussed the process for landing an appearance on "Shark Tank," the pep talk that helped prepare him for the show, why he chose an investment offer from Daniel Lubetsky over one from Mark Cuban and how Lubetsky has helped him revise TaDah's business strategy. Brands in this episode: TaDah Foods, Happy Snaps, Kite Tea, Vegan Rob's, Joolies, Pocket Latte, Beanfields, Miyoko's, Riff Cold Brewed, Verve Coffee, Blue Bottle Coffee, Sunwink, Mood33, Remedy Organics, Hey Frida, Elmhurst Naturals, KIND Snacks, Burma Love

There's a phrase that comes up several times in our interview with Andrew Abraham, founder/CEO of protein-centric brand Orgain: cautiously optimistic. A medical doctor turned entrepreneur, Abraham was inspired to launch Orgain in 2009 while recovering from cancer treatment and being frustrated with the lack of options for healthy, drinkable nutrition. Introduced as a first-to-market brand of organic protein beverages, Orgain has since grown into a thriving platform for protein drinks, powders and bars. During Orgain's development, however, Abraham had concerns about the brand's long-term viability, particularly within an increasingly competitive market for protein beverages. During our conversation, he noted that maintaining a positive and steadfast belief in the company's mission and focusing on meaningful innovation were key to the brand's eventual success. "There's some dark times where you lock yourself in a room and ask yourself: 'Is this really going to work?' Abraham said. "But I was seeing the feedback we were getting, and I knew that if we could just weather the storm long enough that Orgain would succeed. One thing that's helped me more than anything is to just keep my eyes forward. Just focusing on what we're doing and what's working for us and pressing forward as aggressively as possible." Within our expansive interview, Abraham discussed the creation and early development of Orgain, why he was the sole employee for the first five years and why Stonyfield Farm founder and company advisor Gary Hirshberg urged him to focus on building a sustainable infrastructure. Abraham also explained how he defines success, why he's constantly "neck deep" in innovation and the reasons behind his decision to sell a majority stake of Orgain. This episode is presented by Flavorman, the beverage architects. Show notes: 2:46: Andrew Abraham, Founder/CEO, Orgain -- Abraham sat down with Taste Radio editor Ray Latif at the BevNET Live Winter 2019 and spoke about his background in nutrition and integrative medicine and how each supported the development of Orgain, the brand's national launch at Whole Foods and why a conducting a shelf study could have avoided early stumbles. He also explained why, in hindsight, it "wasn't smart" to be the sole employee for five years, and why he urges entrepreneurs to surround themselves with people that are smarter than them, as well as how Gary Hirshberg became involved with the company and why Abraham didn't take a salary for "a very long time." Later he discussed why entrepreneurs that are not well-capitalized from the outset might be in for a bumpy ride, how he convinced his wife, that despite significant financial losses, the brand was on a positive trajectory and why he believes that "the best defense is a super aggressive offense." He also spoke about his approach to hiring and onboarding new employees, why he rebuffed numerous M&A offers over the years, and how he negotiated terms in the investment deal with Butterfly to maintain the company's mission and focus. Brands in this episode: Orgain, Stonyfield Farm, Dry Soda

In this week's episode, we're joined by former NFL star Matt Light and Bill Dessel, the co-founders of sessionable spirit brand Keel Vodka. At 23.8% alcohol by volume and 58 calories per serving, Keel promotes itself as "the world's first premium light spirit." Prior to co-founding Keel, Light was key member of the New England Patriots' offensive line in three of the team's Super Bowl wins. Although he faced ruthless competition as a professional football player, Light explained in our interview that entrepreneurship "is more challenging than it ever would be on the playing field." "There are so many variables that go into having success in the business realm," Light said. "But some of the same [lessons apply]: Are you able to get up when you get knocked down? Are you really invested? What do you bring to the table and how can you do that better tomorrow than you did it today?" As part of our conversation, Light and Dessel discussed the origins of Keel, how they overcame initial regulatory hurdles and challenges in consumer education and how they're attempting to take advantage of growing interest in low-alcohol beverages. They also spoke about the benefits of a local distribution strategy, how they establish guidelines for their respective roles and why "living the lifestyle" is critical for brand ambassadors. Show notes: 1:14: Free Tees, Zesty Z's and Punchy P's -- The episode opens with a call to action: review Taste Radio on the Apple Podcasts app or your favorite listening platform, tell us you did by sending us an email to ask@tasteradio.com and the team will send you a free T-shirt. Later, the hosts extoll the talents of The King, munch on a number of crunchy snacks, chat about a hoppy drink and BevNET's Elevator Talk series and discuss an odd video that was shared on our Slack account. 15:25: Interview: Matt Light/Bill Dessel, Co-Founders, Keel Vodka -- Light and Dessel visited BevNET HQ in Watertown, Mass. and sat down with Taste Radio editor/producer Ray Latif for a conversation about the launch and early development of Keel, and why the initial communication strategy was focused on the low-calorie aspect of the vodka. They also spoke about how they address consumer skepticism about a light spirit, why you can't rely on distributors to promote your products and Dessel's three rules for entrepreneurship. Later, they explained why sampling is all about "where (the) consumer lives" and why the company hires and educates its own brand ambassadors and avoids using third party service for demos and events. Brands in this episode: Full of Chips, Whisps, Zesty Z, Oregon Hop Springs, Punch Pops, Chum Fruit Bites, KEEL Vodka, Absolut Vodka, Miller Light, Veev, Skinnygirl

It's remarkable to think that Caulipower made its market debut just three years ago. Since its launch in January 2017, the vegetable-forward brand, best known for its gluten-free, cauliflower crust pizzas, has developed into one of the fastest-growing food companies in recent memory. Caulipower, which also markets cauliflower-based tortillas and cauliflower-crusted chicken tenders, generated $45 million in revenue in 2018 and an estimated $100 million last year. Despite having no experience in the food industry prior to launching the company, founder and CEO Gail Becker has grown Caulipower into the fastest growing frozen pizza brand in America, available in over 25,000 retailers and 5,000 restaurants across the U.S. and Canada. In an interview included in this episode, Becker spoke about the swift rise of Caulipower and why she felt compelled to leave behind a successful career to start the brand. She also discussed the value of taking risks, how she identified and partnered with early-stage investors and why humility is critical for success. She also explained why Walmart was the right fit for Caulipower early into its development and why she believes in the power of food to unite disparate communities. Show notes: 2:46: Gail Becker, Founder/CEO, Caulipower -- NOSH editor Carol Ortenberg met with Becker at Caulipower headquarters in Los Angeles where the entrepreneur spoke about her inspiration to launch the brand and how supportive partners were key to its fast start. She also explained why investment firm Boulder Food Group chose to "bet" on her and how she rewarded the initial support, why she feels like "the most grateful and fortunate person on earth" and her experience as a judge in NOSH Live's Pitch Slam competition. Later, she discussed how her family is involved in Caulipower, breaking traditional "rules" for packaging and retailing of a food brand, why she believes a "first to market advantage is everything" and how she handles growing competition. Becker also spoke about why brands should avoid making consumers feel bad about food choices, why working at her father's store as a five-year-old taught her "everything" she needed to know about the food business and the reason that she is always wearing green clothing.

In this episode, we're joined by Matt Weiss, the founder/CEO of RIND Snacks, who discussed his approach to building the skin-on dried fruit brand while maintaining his full-time job. An investment analyst by profession, Weiss launched RIND in 2018. In our interview, he explained that, while he saw an opportunity to disrupt the dried fruit category with a premium brand, he was hesitant to quit his well-paying career and initially treated RIND as a "side hustle." He noted, however, that regardless of the time and resources he was willing to devote to the brand, "it was very clear [he] had to put my best foot forward." With that in mind, he crafted a thoughtful business strategy that helped guide RIND's development over the next two years. "There really is an opportunity to develop and grow and get critical mass that doesn't feel like you have to hedge your bets," he said. "You don't need a huge team to launch. You can rely and grow using a lot of outsourced partners in the beginning. And you actually can run a small business on the side for a finite period of time." Weiss's planning has paid off: RIND is currently distributed at hundreds of independent and natural chain retailers across the Northeast and has a fast-growing online business as well. As part of our conversation, Weiss spoke about how he evaluated RIND's market potential and key point of differentiation and how he assessed the financial and opportunity costs of entrepreneurship. He also explains the benefits of launching a business later in life, the importance of open and honest communication with his employer while incubating RIND and why he believes in "relentless networking." Show notes: 1:37: Chewing Chum, Skeletons In The... Cabinet? -- The episode opens with the hosts chatting about the nuances of a new decade, how BevNET brand specialist Melissa Traverse enjoyed a saucy holiday and a new brand of fruit jerky with a fishy-sounding name. Later, they spoke about the learning curve for entrepreneurs new to the food and beverage industry, Melissa's past experience working as a flight attendant (one of 34 jobs she's had in her life) and why attendees of the 2020 Winter Fancy Food Show should direct message us on Instagram (@bevnetmike, @melissa_traverse, @bevtrayde). 15:00: Interview: Matt Weiss, Founder/CEO, RIND Snacks -- Weiss visited BevNET HQ and sat down with Taste Radio editor Ray Latif for a conversation about the origins of RIND, including his grandmother's role in its genesis and why he believed that the brand needed "to be distilled to a very simple premise and value proposition." He also discussed the importance of having great branding and packaging out of the gate, why he viewed RIND's first two years as its proof of concept phase and why, despite keeping his day job, he saw himself as working without a safety net. Later, he extolled the virtues of involving his family in the brand, the value of pitch slam competitions and why he urges colleagues to "be constantly learning professionally." Brands in this episode: Fly By Jing, Brooklyn Delhi, Frank's Red Hot, Chum Fruit Bites, Ceres Juices, Rind Snacks, Caulipower, Harmless Harvest, Purely Elizabeth, Nantucket Nectars

Seven years ago, Josh Zad opened Alfred Coffee, a stylish cafe nestled among the luxury boutiques in the Melrose Place neighborhood of West Hollywood. Conceived with the intention of creating a comfortable space and "Instagrammable" moments for its customers, the store quickly became a popular destination among social and celebrity influencers. Alfred has since established itself as a prime example of how to marry brick-and-mortar retail with a memorable digital presence, having grown to 16 locations across the U.S. and Japan. In an interview included in this episode, Zad explained that Alfred's success and appeal is derived from its foundation as "a creative platform" focused on customer experience, rather than as a coffee brand. "It's about the lifestyle," he said. "We have a broader message that goes in many different directions. The personality is there, and we try to reflect that on social media. It's not about 'Is this the perfect latte art, yes or no?'" Today, Zad is aiming to replicate Alfred's success with Calidad Beer, a brand of Mexican-style lagers that, like his coffee company, lives at the intersection of design, storytelling and consumer experience. As part of our conversation, Zad spoke about how, despite no formal training in coffee or branding, he's built one of the most beloved coffee chains in Southern California, why he believes that the company isn't "doing anything groundbreaking," the secret to Alfred's "customer-first" focus and how he defines success for Calidad. Show notes: 2:46: Interview: Josh Zad, Founder, Alfred Coffee/Calidad Beer -- Zad met with Taste Radio editor Ray Latif at Alfred headquarters in West Hollywood and kicked off their conversation with a brief chat about Alfred's unusual "ban" on NBA star Kawhi Leonard, Alfred's average customer and how he became an expert in delivering unique consumer experiences. Zad also spoke about why the company invests heavily in culture, why being nimble is key to being consistently better than its competitors and why he views himself as Alfred's "creative director" and not its CEO. Later, he discussed why he wants Alfred to be synonymous with L.A., why he's not interested in launching a cannabis brand, how he views Calidad as a direct offshoot of Alfred and why he wants the can's color to be the most eye-catching element of its design. Zad also spoke about key mentors in his career and what he likes most about being a boss. Brands in this episode: Alfred Coffee, Oatly, Blue Bottle, Stumptown, Starbucks, Sugarfina, Vybes, Calidad Beer, Corona, Pacifico Beer