

Sleeping Barber - A Marketing Podcast
Sleeping Barber
Ready to rethink business strategy and supercharge your marketing game?
Join hosts Marc Binkley and Vassilis Douros as they break down big questions at the crossroads of strategy, marketing effectiveness, and creative impact.
From real-world case studies to hot-off-the-press business news, each episode dives deep into how modern companies navigate complexity. Plus, interviews with global thought leaders bring you fresh insights and actionable strategies to drive growth and build unforgettable customer experiences.
This is your backstage pass to smarter thinking and better business results.
Join hosts Marc Binkley and Vassilis Douros as they break down big questions at the crossroads of strategy, marketing effectiveness, and creative impact.
From real-world case studies to hot-off-the-press business news, each episode dives deep into how modern companies navigate complexity. Plus, interviews with global thought leaders bring you fresh insights and actionable strategies to drive growth and build unforgettable customer experiences.
This is your backstage pass to smarter thinking and better business results.
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Nov 2, 2023 • 31min
SBP 043: The Barber's Brief - November 2, 2023
Welcome to another episode of the Barber’s Brief. A segment where we cover news that caught our eye, a marketing moment where we highlight a case study, and our ad of the week.
Enjoy the show!
Our Hosts:
Follow our updates here: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/
Get in touch with our hosts:
Marc Binkley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/
Vassilis Douros: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/
In the News:
Unilever promotes internally to appoint new top marketer.
Source: Marketing Week - https://www.marketingweek.com/unilever-appoints-new-top-marketer-promotes-internally/
What B2Bs Need to Know About Their Buyers.
Source: HBR - https://hbr.org/2022/09/what-b2bs-need-to-know-about-their-buyers
Nestle promises an across-the-board increase in marketing spend.
Source: Strategy Online - https://strategyonline.ca/2023/10/19/nestle-promises-an-across-the-board-increase-in-marketing-spend/
Synthetic data is suddenly making very real ripples - Mark Ritson
Source: Marketing Week - https://www.marketingweek.com/synthetic-data-market-research/
Amazon upgrades ad suite with new data clean room, AI image generator
Source: Marketing Dive - https://www.marketingdive.com/news/amazon-unboxed-advertising-data-clean-room-ai-image-generator/697825/
Unilever thinks purpose is pointless for some brands
Source: The Message - https://the-message.ca/2023/10/27/new-unilever-ceo-downplays-purpose-and-hikes-adspend/
The Marketing Moment:
ZGM: AB is Calling
Background
In order for Alberta to thrive now and in the future, we need skilled, young labour. Labour that we just can’t pump out fast enough organically. So, we need to attract skilled workers from other parts of Canada. Workers who may not realize the career and lifestyle opportunities, along with the affordability advantages that Alberta has to offer.
Challenges
Focus group research found that Alberta is portrayed by some as lacking in culture and diversity. We knew this version of Alberta wouldn’t appeal to skilled, young workers living, for example, in the urban centres of Toronto and Vancouver. We would need to address their misconceptions of Alberta head on by using publicly available and completely defensible data to compare Alberta’s advantages in affordability, career opportunities and lifestyle to other strategic Canadian cities.
Strategy
Saying that “Alberta is diverse and rich in culture” could easily be dismissed as marketing language. The messaging needed to focus on jobs, housing and lifestyle, with imagery showcasing a diverse, culturally rich province.
Lead with The Cost of Living targeting Toronto & Vancouver
Execution
Launched Summer 2022: Website, Radio, Audio, Digital & Social in Van + Tor featuring AB advantages including affordable homes, liveable city, family friendly, career opportunities
Fall 2022 - OOH takeover at Yonge-Bloor in Tor + Granville-Robson in Van + Wrapped Vancover Sun paper
Results
AB had the biggest positive net migration from other provinces
Alberta's population grew by 60,000 in the quarter following the campaign– more than any other year since they began estimating populations in 1951.
Ad of the Week
The King & The Viking - Beats by Dre
The Norway international features alongside the one the Los Angeles Lakers superstar in a new promo campaign entitled "The King and The Viking," in which the pair connect with their families on the day before a big game.
In the promo, Haaland receives a heartfelt message from his father and agent, former footballer Alfie. Meanwhile, the man known as "King James" receives a pre-match pep talk from his wife, Savannah.
AD Link: https://youtu.be/EuUXiJW2HjY
© 2023 Sleeping Barber

Oct 26, 2023 • 1h 21min
SBP 042: Preparing For a Successful Q4. With Samantha Kelley.
Right on time for the final sprint!
Q4 marks the high-pressure season for countless advertisers and industries. While most are busy putting the final touches on their campaigns for the impending "cyber 5" period, we urge you to take a moment to tune in.
This week, we're joined by Samantha Kelley, CEO of Touché! Canada and Omnicom Media Group (OMG) Montreal, Canada's largest media agency. Samantha shares valuable strategies that advertisers should be considering as they head into this incredibly "scrappy" period.
Enjoy the show.
Our Guest
Samantha Kelley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samantha-kelley-7809b11/
Touché!: https://www.touchemedia.com/en/
Our Hosts:
Follow our updates here: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/
Get in touch with our hosts:
Marc Binkley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/
Vassilis Douros: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/
Podcast Literature:
Amplified Intelligence: https://www.amplifiedintelligence.com.au/dr-karen-nelson-field/
Impact of Creative on Advertising Effectiveness: https://www.kantar.com/inspiration/advertising-media/the-advertising-multipliers-that-matter-are-not-what-marketers-think
The Markov Curve: https://channelmix.com/blog/markov-chain-marketing/
Timestamps
0:44 - Introduction to Samantha Kelly, CEO of Touché! Canada and Omnicom Media Group
3:12 - Q4 has become more of a marathon than the sprint it used to be
4:10 - Shopping habits of consumers
6:45 - How media consumption habits are affecting media buyers
7:56 - Applying viewer attention to ad platform impressions
9:16 - The impact of viewer attention on the measurement of long v. short term activations
11:03 - Pandemic and Inflationary affects on consumer shopping behaviour
13:55 - SportChek case study
16:50 - AI-based tech to build ad creative and increase speed to market
18:30 - Ad units to leverage in Q4
19:52 - The growing opportunity with Retail Media Networks (RMNs)
23:24 - How media buyers can integrate RMNs with brand s
25:05 - Splitting media budget between brand with activation ads in Q4
26:15 - Advice for winning Q4
28:55 - Planning holistic campaigns versus splitting budget between traditional v. digital media
30:53 - Audio placements: radio and podcast opportunities
32:22 - Media Mix Modeling and optimization of media spend
34:00 - The rule of thumb for splitting budget between media and creative
35:07 - Balancing reach with personalization
36:30 - Reaching loyal versus light customers
38:20 - Tips for small and medium-sized businesses
40:10 - Setting budgets for the holiday season & the Markov curve
42:44 - How to maximize ROI during the cyber 5
44:41 - Should companies hide online products to steer people into a store?
48:22 - Why retailers shouldn’t force customers into a sales channel
50:37 - Marketing metrics to focus on
54:04 - Why measurement is a big challenge
55:43 - Incrementality is the game, not ROAS or ROI
58:14 - Things to avoid in Q4
59:40 - Post-pod with V and Marc
Where to listen
Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-sleeping-barber-a-business-and-marketing-podcast/id1609811324
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4v0kaM350zEY7X2VBuyfrF?si=7083317d5afd488b
Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy84MWVjYWJhNC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwji_oSOopP-AhXnlo4IHTZKBgYQ9sEGegQIARAC
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@sleepingbarberpodcast
© 2023 Sleeping Barber

Oct 19, 2023 • 28min
SBP 041: The Barber's Brief - October 19, 2023
Welcome to another episode of the Barber’s Brief. A segment where we cover news that caught our eye, a marketing moment where we highlight a case study, and our ad of the week.
Enjoy the show!
Our Hosts
Follow our updates here: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/
Get in touch with our hosts:
Marc Binkley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/
Vassilis Douros: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/
In the News:
Eddie Bauer Changed its logo because Gen Z doesn’t read cursive:
https://www.fastcompany.com/90963252/eddie-bauer-new-logo-ditches-script-and-adopts-a-goose
Source: Fast Company
‘Trust your gut’: Marketing leaders on prioritizing wellbeing when job hunting.
https://www.marketingweek.com/marketing-leaders-prioritising-wellbeing-job-hunting/
Source: Marketing Week
Marketing enters its Taylor Swift era: Here’s what the numbers say!
https://www.marketingdive.com/news/taylor-swift-era-marketing-ads-numbers-statistics/695775/
Source: Marketing Dive
AD Platforms are Dropping New Toys for the Holidays
https://marketingnewscanada.com/news/new-toys-from-meta-pinterest
Source: Marketing News Canada
Canadian Survey of Consumer Expectations—Third Quarter of 2023
https://www.bankofcanada.ca/2023/10/canadian-survey-of-consumer-expectations-third-quarter-of-2023/
Source: Bank of Canada
Ads don’t wear out, Only marketers do
https://www.marketingweek.com/consumers-tired-ads-marketers/
Source: Marketing Week
The Marketing Moment
Sprite: Heat Happens, Stay Cool.
Literature links:
Marketing Interactive: https://www.marketing-interactive.com/sprite-launches-global-campaign-to-urge-people-to-keep-cool-in-the-heat
Ogilvy: https://www.ogilvy.com/work/heat-happens
Kantar: https://kantar.turtl.co/story/brand-footprint-2023-p/page/6/5
Ad of the Week
Cadbury - Garage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHEJfRnWyBM
© 2023 Sleeping Barber

Oct 12, 2023 • 1h 33min
SBP 040: Making a Promise to the Customer. With Roger Martin.
Roger Martin, a renowned business and marketing expert, discusses the importance of making promises to customers in this podcast. They explore the relationship between branding and customer promises, the effectiveness of promise-based advertising campaigns, and the significance of delivering on promises. They also share examples from companies like Amazon Prime and Snickers to illustrate the impact of promises on business success and differentiation. Overall, this episode provides valuable insights into creating valuable promises and unifying organizations around customer-centric strategies.

Oct 5, 2023 • 27min
SBP 039: The Barber's Brief - October 5, 2023
Welcome to the first-ever episode of the "Barber's Brief." A bi-weekly segment that focuses on bringing the latest news that caught our attention, but more importantly it will provide a platform to engage with you our listeners.
We hope that you enjoy it!
Our Hosts
Follow our updates here: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/
Get in touch with our hosts:
Marc Binkley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/
Vassilis Douros: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/
In the News:
Lululemon & Peloton Deal:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/lululemon-peloton-partner-1.6980800
Nike Pledges to ‘stay on the offensive' as it increases focus on demand generation:
https://business.linkedin.com/marketing-solutions/b2b-institute/making-a-promise-to-the-customer
Only one in five CMO-CFO relationships are truly collaborative:
https://www.marketingweek.com/cmo-council-cfo-relationship/
The New Coke Y3000:
https://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/coca-cola-just-did-something-no-company-has-ever-done-heres-how-coke-drinkers-are-reacting.html
Microsoft debuts a platform to help retailers launch and scale an ad business:
https://www.marketingdive.com/news/microsoft-retail-media-networks-launch-scale/695344/
Hornets launch jersey-patch deal with influencer MrBeast:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38547974/hornets-launch-jersey-patch-deal-influencer-mrbeast
Our Marketing Moment
How Lidl uses excess share of voice to boost sales & market share:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb-6PCbsdyc&t=325s
Ad of the Week
IKEA - The Swedish retailer is stepping away from the picture-perfect catalogue promo this time
https://www.thedrum.com/news/2023/10/02/ad-the-day-ikea-literally-spills-guts-brutally-honest-campaign
Where to listen
Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-sleeping-barber-a-business-and-marketing-podcast/id1609811324
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4v0kaM350zEY7X2VBuyfrF?si=7083317d5afd488b
Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy84MWVjYWJhNC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwji_oSOopP-AhXnlo4IHTZKBgYQ9sEGegQIARAC
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@sleepingbarberpodcast
© 2023 Sleeping Barber

Sep 28, 2023 • 1h 39min
SBP 038: How Branding Affects the Race for Talent. With Shelley Billinghurst.
Many marketers often narrow their focus on branding, concentrating primarily on select elements such as an organization's visual identity, advertising and promotional efforts, and its presence on social media platforms. However, it's important to consider that branding also plays a significant role in the realm of recruitment.
This week on the podcast, we welcome Shelley Billingshurst, President of Hire Value Inc, to discuss the delineation between HR and Talent recruitment, the importance of organizational branding and it’s effects on recruitment, why talent tracking systems create horrible brand experiences for talent and so much more.
This is a very polarizing episode we hope you enjoy!
Our Guest
Follow Shelley Billingshurst: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shelley-billinghurst-91ab71/
Hire Value Inc: https://hirevalueinc.com/
Our Hosts
Follow our updates here: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/
Get in touch with our hosts:
Marc Binkley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/
Vassilis Douros: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/
Podcast Literature:
HBR The War for Talent is Back: https://hbr.org/2007/04/the-war-for-talent-is-back
CNN The Race for Talent: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/24/success/companies-hiring-faster/index.html
HBR Make your Employer Brand Stand out in the Talent Marketplace: https://hbr.org/2022/02/make-your-employer-brand-stand-out-in-the-talent-marketplace
SHRM - Most people never complete job applications:
https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/hr-topics/talent-acquisition/pages/most-people-never-finish-online-job-applications.aspx
Social media has reinvented the way Gen Z finds jobs:
https://www.benefitnews.com/news/social-media-has-reinvented-the-way-gen-z-finds-jobs
Timestamps
0:44 - Intro to Shelley
2:56 - The connection between marketing, brand and talent acquisition
4:54 - Winning the war for talent vs. the race for talent
7:26 - The difference between talent acquisition and HR
11:02 - Recruitment and HR have different incentives
14:37 - How corporate culture influences recruitment
18:54 - Why talent acquisition should live outside of HR (KPMG example)
22:58 - Why Applicant Tracking Systems (ATS) create a horrible brand experience for talent
25:28 - The skills for success in HR and recruiting are different
26:35 - Abandonment rate in application submissions
28:09 - How unqualified job seekers overload ATS
30:23 - How qualified candidates work around ATS
31:53 - How LinkedIn and Indeed work
34:44 - How great brands like Microsoft manage their talent & database
40:38 - Why candidates need to continuously invest in their personal brand
43:02 - Why the odds of getting a job through an online application are less than 1%
47:44 - The best way to write job descriptions and respond to them
53:16 - The traditional hiring system is broken - why networking is so important
58:54 - The one thing a company can do to fix talent acquisition
1:00:47 - The one thing a candidate can do to improve their odds of getting a job
1:05:38 - The one thing recruiters can do to create a great brand experience
1:07:55 - How to find out more about Shelley
1:09:03 - Why Benevity, WestJet, Lululemon and X (Twitter) are great employer brands
1:14:07 - Post-Pod with V and Marc
Where to listen
Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-sleeping-barber-a-business-and-marketing-podcast/id1609811324
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4v0kaM350zEY7X2VBuyfrF?si=7083317d5afd488b
Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy84MWVjYWJhNC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwji_oSOopP-AhXnlo4IHTZKBgYQ9sEGegQIARAC
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@sleepingbarberpodcast
© 2023 Sleeping Barber

Sep 21, 2023 • 1h 20min
SBP 037: The State of Programmatic in Canada. With Ben Wise and Jeremy Freedman.
Today, we have a thrilling episode in store for you as we engage in a conversation with not just one, but two Heads of Programmatic Media from Google Canada. Joining us are Ben Wise and Jeremy Freedman, and together we discuss the state of programmatic here in Canada. We explore various trends, delve into Google's privacy sandbox, touch upon the widespread adoption of digital practices within organizations, and much more! This is an episode you won't want to miss.
Enjoy the show.
Our Guests
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Ben Wise - https://www.linkedin.com/in/benwise1/
Head of Programmatic Media at Google
Jeremy Freedman - https://www.linkedin.com/in/thejeremyfreedman/
Head of Programmatic Media, Agency at Google
Our Hosts
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Follow our updates here: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/
Get in touch with our hosts:
Marc Binkley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/
Vassilis Douros: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/
Podcast Literature
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Understanding Programmatic - Think With Google
https://www.thinkwithgoogle.com/intl/en-145/marketing-strategies/automation/what-programmatic-and-why-everyone-talking-about-it/
Programmatic analysis tools | BigQuery | Google Cloud
https://www.thinkwithgoogle.com/intl/en-145/marketing-strategies/automation/what-programmatic-and-why-everyone-talking-about-it/
The Future of Programmatic Media in 2023
https://marketingnewscanada.com/news/the-future-of-programmatic-media-in-2023
Google’s new prototype AI tool does the writing for you
https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/2/23435258/google-ai-writing-wordcraft-lamda
Timestamps
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0:44 - Introductions
3:25 - What is programmatic media buying?
5:40 - Targeting by Geo, Context, Audience and Private Marketplaces
9:55 - How programmatic media has evolved in Canada
12:01 - What inventory is available to programmatic media in Canada?
15:24 - Opportunities with Connected TV (CTV)
20:36 - How AI enhances media buying and creative placements
24:46 - Bringing programmatic in-house vs hiring agencies
27:40 - The right time & risks with bringing programmatic in-house
31:00 - Replacing people with robots?
33:03 - Performance measurement & attribution models
41:40 - Privacy sandboxes and public concerns
46:03 - Running experiments to create breakthroughs
50:10 - Factors driving programmatic growth and innovation
53:20 - Post-pod with V & Marc
Where to listen
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Apple Podcasts:
https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-sleeping-barber-a-business-and-marketing-podcast/id1609811324
Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/show/4v0kaM350zEY7X2VBuyfrF?si=7083317d5afd488b
Google Podcasts:
https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy84MWVjYWJhNC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwji_oSOopP-AhXnlo4IHTZKBgYQ9sEGegQIARAC
Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/@sleepingbarberpodcast
© 2023 Sleeping Barber

Sep 14, 2023 • 1h 27min
SBP 036: The Gravity of Ecommerce. With JP Castlin and James Hankins.
We're thrilled to be back after our summer hiatus with an exciting new episode! In this installment of the Sleeping Barber Podcast, we have the pleasure of hosting JP Castlin and James Hankins, who join us to explore the compelling themes discussed in their paper, "The Gravity of Ecommerce." Tune in as we delve into the allure of online retail and the stark reality that many e-commerce businesses struggle to turn a profit. Our guests shed light on the numerous challenges and misconceptions that often ensnare e-commerce entrepreneurs, including the unearthing of hidden fulfillment costs and the pursuit of efficiency within the supply chain. And don't forget to stick around until the end for a post-podcast discussion with our insightful hosts, Marc and V, as they reflect on the key takeaways gleaned from their enlightening conversation with JP and James.
It's an episode you won't want to miss, so sit back, relax, and enjoy the show!
Our Guests
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JP Castlin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jpcastlin/
Strategic Management Consultant
Author - 2 upcoming books & articles in Marketing week, WARC, IPA, The Drum
Speaker
James Hankins - https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-cp-hankins/
Global VP Marketing & Strategy Planning @ Sage (ERP)
Consulting Strategist @ Vizer Consulting
Co-Chair of IPA Share of Search ThinkTank @ IPA
Our Hosts
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Follow our updates here: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/
Get in touch with our hosts:
Marc Binkley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/
Vassilis Douros: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/
Podcast Literature
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Questioning the Growth Dogma:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177%2F10422587211059991
The Gravity of Ecommerce:
https://www.warc.com/content/paywall/article/warc-exclusive/the-gravity-of-e-commerce/en-gb/146943?
Winning the Final Mile:
https://www.marketingweek.com/ecommerce-final-mile/
Evolution of OmniChannel to connected commerce:
https://www.globallogic.com/insights/blogs/retail-evolution-will-the-dinosaurs-die/
Unified Commerce:
https://blog.qivos.com/unified-commerce-the-evolution-of-omni-channel/
JP Creating Cash Flows:
https://www.marketingweek.com/jp-castlin-bigger-marketing-budget-focus-creating-cash-flows/
Digital Availability:
https://theeqplanner.wordpress.com/2021/01/26/why-digital-availability-aids-strategic-decision-making-plus-why-digital-ads-arent-analogous-to-rent-or-signage/
The Jevons paradox:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox
Timestamps
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0:46 - Intro to JP & James
3:10 - The attraction of eCommerce
4:03 - Why profits are elusive in an ecomm businesses
9:57 - Growth at all costs?
12:20 - Digital availability - why digital ads driving ecomm aren’t really ads
18:00 - Why we underestimate the costs of ecomm
22:14 - Ways to increase ecomm profits & effeciency
25:10 - The marketers responsibility to commercial creativity (not just ads)
27:40 - Recovering the margins of digital commerce
36:37 - Can small businesses compete with Amazon?
40:29 - Why so many DTC companies open retail stores
43:19 - Value chain vampires
47:02 - Why ROAS is not an optimal financial metric
49:25 - The problem with hiring marketing specialists
52:40 - Marketers can add value by understanding the business model
58:18 - The strategy behind the vegan sausage roll principle
1:02:03 - How to find out more about JP and James
1:03:50 - The post-pod with V and Marc
Where to listen
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Apple Podcasts:
https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-sleeping-barber-a-business-and-marketing-podcast/id1609811324
Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/show/4v0kaM350zEY7X2VBuyfrF?si=7083317d5afd488b
Google Podcasts:
https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy84MWVjYWJhNC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwji_oSOopP-AhXnlo4IHTZKBgYQ9sEGegQIARAC
Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/@sleepingbarberpodcast
© 2023 Sleeping Barber

Aug 3, 2023 • 1h 15min
SBP 035: A Guide to Product Marketing, with Yasmeen Turayhi
In this episode, we're thrilled to welcome our guest, Yasmeen Turayhi, the founder of Modern Product - a renowned product marketing consulting agency, she is also a TED X speaker and author of three incredible books!
Together, we navigate the contrasting landscapes of single vs. multi-product companies, why market research is so crucial, and why humility is a key skill for successful product development.
Join us for this conversation that promises to be filled with actionable insights for all marketers. Enjoy the show.
Our Guest
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Yasmeen Turayhi: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yasmeenturayhi/ Founder of Modern Product - Product marketing & consulting agency
Our Hosts
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Follow our updates here: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/
Get in touch with our hosts:
Marc Binkley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/
Vassilis Douros: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/
Podcast Literature:
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Yasmeen’s Books: https://www.amazon.ca/Yasmeen-Turayhi/e/B07GZ4WC4S/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1
Patrick Campbell - Understanding Customers https://turingfest.com/blog/patrick-campbell-saas-fundamentals/
Better Brief Project - https://www.betterbriefs.com/
Yasmeen TEDx talk on Intuition - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w-eYtt3oiU
How to Be an Effective Product Marketer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6v7PCpo-g
PM Course - https://product-marketing-go-to-market.teachable.com/p/product-marketing-debunked
Product Marketing Alliance - https://www.productmarketingalliance.com/
Timestamps:
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0:44 - Intro to Yasmeen
2:18 - What is product marketing
5:46 - How does the role of a product marketer differ from regular marketers
10:55 - How brand and product marketers can work together
13:12 - Single vs. Multi-product companies 14:05 - Product marketing across the product lifecycle
16:02 - Why market research is so important
20:19 - Humility is a key skill for product development
22:35 - The most common mistakes product marketers make
25:34 - The importance of a community in product development
27:25 - Getting leadership buy-in with the go-to-market plan
29:45 - What happens if the baby (product) is ugly?
34:17 - Differentiation vs. Distinctiveness - what matters?
39:01 - Repositioning existing products
43:04 - How to craft a positioning statement
47:32 - How do you manage priorities when things are moving so fast?
51:54 - Post-Pod with V & Marc
Where to listen
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Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-sleeping-barber-a-business-and-marketing-podcast/id1609811324
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4v0kaM350zEY7X2VBuyfrF?si=7083317d5afd488b
Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy84MWVjYWJhNC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwji_oSOopP-AhXnlo4IHTZKBgYQ9sEGegQIARAC
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@sleepingbarberpodcast
© 2023 Sleeping Barber

Jul 21, 2023 • 1h 13min
SBP 034: Bud Light, Barbie and Branding, with Emmanuel Probst
This week on the Sleeping Barber Podcast, we have Emmanuel Probst, Global Lead - Brand Thought Leadership @ Ipsos and author of "Aseemblage." Join us as we delve into the thought process behind his latest book; we also discuss the need for brand managers to co-create with customers, analyze real-life brand case studies like Vaseline and Bud Light, and explore how brands can promise and deliver the right experience to their customers.
We also spend some time understanding the secret recipe of building a brand for longevity and learning what skills are needed to become a great "master blender."
Enjoy the show.
Our Guest
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Emmanuel Probst https://www.linkedin.com/in/emmanuelprobst
Global Lead - Brand Thought Leadership @ Ipsos
Our Hosts
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Follow our updates here: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/
Get in touch with our hosts:
Marc Binkley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/
Vassilis Douros: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/
Podcast Literature:
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Assemblage https://www.amazon.ca/Assemblage-Art-Science-Brand-Transformation/dp/1646871251
Peter Field Rebuttal to results of Purpose Led Brands https://www.thedrum.com/news/2021/10/25/peter-field-hits-back-hysterical-brand-purpose-critics-read-his-letter-full
Mark Ritson Good Purpose, Bad Purpose https://www.marketingweek.com/mark-ritson-good-purpose-bad-purpose/
LinkedIn B2B Institute & Roger Martin’s Promise to the Customer (PTTC) https://business.linkedin.com/marketing-solutions/b2b-institute/making-a-promise-to-the-customer
Bud Light Launches new ad after Transgender commercial https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bud-light-releases-new-ad-following-dylan-mulvaney-controversy/
Vaseline Slugging https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/11/business/vaseline-slugging-tiktok.html
Barbie Launches Career Dolls https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/barbie-turns-60-with-career-dolls-role-models-like-tennis-pro-naomi-osaka-1.4328515
Timestamps:
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0:44 - Emmanuel Probst Intro
2:14 - Assemblage, an analogy between wine making and brand building
6:35 - Why brand managers need to co-create with customers
9:18 - CoCreation example: Vaseline #Slugging
13:02 - Monitoring brand signals and separating the noise
17:04 - What brand managers can learn from the James Bond franchise
21:02 - Bud Light’s missteps and road to recovery
28:55 - Many new marketing leaders make this same mistake
34:11 - Brands can’t just make a promise, they have to deliver the experience
36:54 - Brand purpose vs. personal relevance
40:02 - Building for brand longevity
44:52 - A buyer’s category entry point can change but the brand’s assets shouldn’t
51:37 - The skills needed to be a great master blender for brands
55:09 - Post Pod with V & Marc
Where to listen
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Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-sleeping-barber-a-business-and-marketing-podcast/id1609811324
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4v0kaM350zEY7X2VBuyfrF?si=7083317d5afd488b
Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy84MWVjYWJhNC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwji_oSOopP-AhXnlo4IHTZKBgYQ9sEGegQIARAC
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@sleepingbarberpodcast
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