Customer Confidential: Untold Stories of Earned Growth

Matt Harris, Partner at Bain Capital Ventures, argues that generative AI will soon empower customers in unexpected ways. Consumers, he predicts, will soon use AI tools to continuously discover lower loan rates, higher-yield savings accounts, or more attractive insurance policies. As a result, Matt anticipates a shift in customer-company power dynamics. Imagine, for example, an AI agent able to continuously move your deposits to the highest-yielding savings accounts or refinance your loans to the best available rates with little intervention required from you. Imagine consumer tools for interpreting medical scans and providing a diagnosis to compare to your doctor's assessment. Generative AI could even transform the future of mental health therapy to be more effective, efficient, and streamlined. Join us as we discuss the present and future of consumers' newfound AI-driven power and analyze where organizations and their leaders should be pointed next to remain competitive. Guest: Matt Harris, Partner, Bain Capital Ventures Host: Rob Markey, Partner, Bain & Company Give Us Feedback: We'd love to hear from you. Help us enhance your podcast experience by providing feedback here in our listener survey. https://bit.ly/CCPodcastFeedback Want to get in touch? Send a note to host Rob Markey: https://www.robmarkey.com/contact-rob Time-stamped list of topics covered: [02:53] How businesses use generative AI for productivity and future innovation [09:23] Discussion on the Gartner Hype Cycle for generative AI [17:09] What it means for customers to be "superpowered" and an overview of a few generative AI applications in finance and medicine [22:28] AI's impact on society and the future of work [27:44] Adapting to a world with superpowered customers who now demand more from businesses, emphasizing the need for deepened customer relationships and greater levels of innovation Time-stamped list of notable quotes: [10:55] "Every new technology experiences [influx and they] disillusion the rest of the market because they have these spectacular failures." [14:20] "[Generative AI] is a much more powerful tool for customers than it is for companies. And an equal or larger part of energy should be going in these boardrooms to imagining a world where customers have the power of generative AI and the implications for your entire business model." [18:00] "I revere doctors. But how could we expect that a single human being would have all of the medical knowledge in their head? This is something computers will be better at." [22:16] "I think I could make an argument that generative AI, combined with predictive machine learning, and being moved forward as fast as these technologies are advancing, will be better at almost everything." [27:53] "We should be spending as much energy thinking and worrying and planning for a 'superpowered' customer world as we are thinking about how we use [technology] ourselves, and I'm just not seeing people doing that." Additional Resources: Read Matt's article for BCV, The Age of the Superpowered Customer The Age of AI and Our Human Future by Henry A. Kissinger, Eric Schmidt, and Daniel Huttenlocher The AI Advantage by Thomas H. Davenport Prediction Machines by Ajay Agrawal, Joshua Gans, and Avi Goldfarb Learn about Bain's spin-off, Bain Capital, which has operated as a separate company since 1984 Learn More About Our Guest and Host: Guest: Matt Harris LinkedIn Profile Host: Rob Markey LinkedIn Profile

Discover the engine of Earned Growth as Rob Markey and Fred Reichheld, Bain Fellow and "Winning On Purpose" author, hold a working session on how references and referrals significantly contribute to organic growth. Rob and Fred unearth the pivotal role that references and referrals play in propelling Earned Growth. They answer key questions such as: How would you characterize different referral types? What are the best mechanisms for measuring and attributing value to them? How do you navigate the tricky path of fostering genuine, organic referrals at scale? Together, they explore one of the thorniest issues in accounting for the value of referrals: How much of a new referred customer's value should accrue to the referring customer versus the referred one? Guest: Fred Reichheld, Bain Fellow, founder of Bain's Loyalty Practice Host: Rob Markey, Partner, Bain & Company Give Us Feedback: We'd love to hear from you. Help us enhance your podcast experience by providing feedback here in our listener survey. https://bit.ly/CCPodcastFeedback Want to get in touch? Send a note to host Rob Markey: https://www.robmarkey.com/contact-rob Time-stamped list of topics covered: 02:00 - Unveiling the Referral Spectrum 08:30 - Measuring the Impact of Referrals 15:45 - Attributing Value: Who Benefits? 22:10 - Fostering a Culture of Earned Growth Time-stamped list of notable quotes: 02:25 - Rob Markey: "A genuine referral, an authentic referral, is motivated by some form of goodwill towards the recipient." 05:45 - Fred Reichheld: "Earned Growth is not just a metric, it's a philosophy." 19:30 - Fred Reichheld: "The value of a referral is the cornerstone of organic expansion." Additional Resources: Winning On Purpose by Fred Reichheld Bain & Company's Insights on Earned Growth Guest and Host Bio Links: Fred Reichheld LinkedIn Profile Rob Markey LinkedIn Profile

Why would a world-class sports academy invest in a student center, rather than more coaches, fancy equipment, or dorms? IMG Academy, a Florida boarding school, turns out some of the most successful college and professional athletes around. Its president, Tim Pernetti, led a massive cultural shift toward customer loyalty. Tim says IMG Academy used to be highly focused on coaching and sports operations. To be clear, that emphasis on athletic excellence helped produce a large number of highly successful athletes. But Tim and the leadership team saw the potential to add something on top of this: a focus on serving a more comprehensive set of student-athlete needs. Today, IMG Academy leverages student-athlete input to refine its program and operations. New initiatives range from enhancing dining experiences to introducing flexible communal spaces. Tim shares how an emphasis on employee recognition combines regular student and parent feedback to instill deep, enduring culture change. Guest: Tim Pernetti, President, IMG Academy Host: Rob Markey, Partner, Bain & Company Give Us Feedback: We'd love to hear from you. Help us enhance your podcast experience by providing feedback here in our listener survey. https://bit.ly/CCPodcastFeedback Send a note to host Rob Markey: https://www.robmarkey.com/contact-rob Time-stamped list of topics covered: [00:09:17] Global influence and expansion [00:14:25] Culture shift toward experience [00:19:57] Response to student feedback [00:25:32] Investment in campus experience [00:30:01] Recognition's impact on staff [00:35:23] Challenges in universal buy-in [00:37:09] Commitment to improving IMG Academy Time-stamped list of notable quotes: [00:04:43] "Really, [our early] focus was on intense physical training, like total immersion in tennis. And the result was ten world number ones [were trained here]." [00:07:23] "This is an environment where you're bringing people in from all over the world. You want to have good people in the environment. We put a lot of weight into that, like getting to know kids, and getting to know their parents." [00:23:17] "We went into meetings with data and said, 'Here's what the customer is saying.'" [00:29:16] "[At] a place like IMG Academy, we have everything from coaches, people that serve food every day, and our transportation drivers, [and people] who cut the grass at five o'clock in the morning. And I've shadowed all of them." [00:30:12] "We [recognized a tram driver] with a financial bonus and a gift card to take his wife out to dinner. This guy now is known as the friendliest, nicest, most outgoing person on campus." [00:30:35] "The biggest tool you have in your toolkit right now is your personal and other leaders' acknowledgment and recognition when people do the right things." Guest and Host Bio Links: Tim Pernetti's LinkedIn Profile Rob Markey LinkedIn Profile

How can businesses transcend traditional customer service boundaries to establish new customer experience benchmarks? Stan Swinton, Founder and General Manager of NPSx, Bain & Company, discusses how a comprehensive approach to customer experience extends beyond gathering feedback or managing customer journeys. Stan details Bain's NPSx framework—comparable to a restaurant star rating, he says—which offers an extensive customer-centricity analysis via 60+ dimensions and eight pillars. Stan shares how this methodology motivates companies to strive for top-tier customer satisfaction. We also discuss the Customer Experience Roadmap and Accreditation (CXRA). Stan highlights CXRA's effectiveness in uncovering inefficiencies and enhancing customer-employee synergies. In addition, we explore why businesses frequently restrict their customer experience initiatives to areas such as feedback management, and discuss the essential role of Customer Experience Officers in achieving genuine customer centricity. Finally, we examine the constantly changing landscape of CX benchmarks and expectations, emphasizing the importance of a flexible and adaptive approach. Guest: Stan Swinton, Founder and General Manager of NPSx, Bain & Company Host: Rob Markey, Partner, Bain & Company Give Us Feedback: We'd love to hear from you. Help us enhance your podcast experience by providing feedback here in our listener survey. https://bit.ly/CCPodcastFeedback Send a note to host Rob Markey: https://www.robmarkey.com/contact-rob Time-stamped list of topics covered: [16:56] Role of CX: Stan highlights how the NPSx framework aids in defining company decision rights and categorizes 60 different jobs or dimensions to be coordinated. [17:50] Framework Pillars: Eight pillars provide a structured context for internal dialogue on improvement within organizations. [18:15] Framework applicability: The framework's relevance, even for companies that are just starting their CX journey or are less mature in their CX programs [19:19] Framework evolution and review: The living nature of the framework, with ongoing revisions and updates to standards and maturity scales to keep pace with current trends in customer centricity [20:10] Benchmarking and improvement: How clients sometimes feel dissatisfied with their initial ratings but are encouraged to view it as a journey toward improvement, similar to achieving restaurant rating stars in the culinary world [21:48] Identifying opportunities: How the framework allows organizations to identify their strengths and areas for improvement in customer experience Time-stamped list of notable quotes: [04:49] "We would generally work with a company first to define their taxonomy. One of the things we recognize is a lot of different industries and clients have different ways of defining their experiences. But there are standards and there are best practices that we can bring to the table to help shape that taxonomy and definitions." [7:28] "One of the things that we recognize at Bain is that a lot of practitioners didn't come from a CX background. There aren't a lot of degree programs dedicated to CX. And when we were looking at the market, we'd say, well, how can you train yourself as a CX practitioner?" [12:31] "Our framework has eight pillars: purpose and leadership, proposition management, customer value and lifecycle management, customer journey management, customer service management, customer feedback management, customer data management, and employee experience." Additional Resources: Bain article | The Elements of Value: Understanding the 30 elements of value for consumers can help companies gain an edge. HBR article | The Elements of Value: Measuring—and delivering—what consumers really want Guest and Host Bio Links: Stan's LinkedIn profile Rob Markey LinkedIn Profile

How does a global medical technology company maintain customer focus while managing operational challenges during a pandemic? In this episode, Tony Ezell, executive vice president of North America and chief marketing officer for Becton, Dickinson and Company (BD), explores how integrating customer feedback into your business strategy can maintain—and even enhance—customer loyalty by helping shape business strategies that are both robust and responsive to evolving customer needs. Tony outlines how customer loyalty and adaptability are essential strategic tools in healthcare innovation. Together, we explore how BD leveraged a customer-centric approach to skillfully navigate operational continuity and customer satisfaction. We also take a short trip down memory lane to connect the dots from our chat with Tony a decade ago, exploring the ongoing impact of customer experience and Net Promoter Systems on Tony's evolving career trajectory and leadership style. Guest: Tony Ezell, executive vice president of North America and chief marketing officer, Becton, Dickinson and Company Give Us Feedback: We'd love to hear from you. Help us enhance your podcast experience by providing feedback here in our listener survey. https://bit.ly/CCPodcastFeedback Send a note to host Rob Markey: https://www.robmarkey.com/contact-rob Episode Highlights Introduction and Tony Ezell's background [01:59] The balance of operational responsibilities and customer-centricity [04:53] Covid-19's impact on customer loyalty at BD [05:50] Implementing customer feedback into business strategy [09:09] BD's challenges and opportunities [12:09] Tony's NPS work [15:07] Customer feedback scores [20:07] Partnerships [21:30] Connecting the dots between 2014 and today [26:22] Driving loyalty [27:46] Quotable Quotes: "We have customers who were starting to decide whether they want to go away from us, who are now calling us to engage, to help them solve their problems again." [01:19] "I always think about what drives loyalty, and do we know what drives loyalty? And are we actually delivering on the things that matter most to our customers, that drive loyalty? And that's what we're operating on now." [04:33] "Our customers see us as one company, not as seven or nine different businesses. And now that we've done that, we're starting to make improvements." [12:38] Additional Resources: Hear Tony's 2014 podcast with Rob Markey: "Breaking Down the 'Invisible Fence'" Host: Rob Markey

Richard Watts, former sales and service president at Progressive, discusses the power of the question, 'Would you do that to your mom?', in improving customer service and decision making. He explores how this approach revolutionizes customer focus, influences satisfaction and loyalty, and shapes his leadership. Topics include the evolution of customer service, empathy driving business success, challenges in embedding this philosophy, and balancing data-driven strategies with ethics.

How do the needs of students at for-profit, mostly online colleges differ from those of typical college students? They often require financial aid, schedule flexibility, and academic support that can go far beyond the norm of traditional higher education. In this segment, we explore why graduation rates have traditionally been quite low at these colleges due to all the challenges students face. How do schools like this strike an appropriate balance of flexibility, support, and rigorous academic programs that will help their students succeed in the workforce? Ruth Veloria is the chief strategy officer and customer officer at the University of Phoenix. She is on a mission to help more of the school's students successfully overcome challenges so they can complete their studies and reap the rewards of their education. Ruth and the team at University of Phoenix have spent over a decade working to improve student retention and success rates. In this episode, roughly a decade after Ruth first joined Rob on the podcast, she shares how the University of Phoenix has achieved a remarkable increase in student retention rates, from 64% to 74%. They now graduate over a third more students than they did 10 years ago. Ruth discusses how the Net Promoter System helped fuel the university's deep commitment to learning from and acting on student feedback. She describes academic policies that are empathetic versus unempathetic, and how data analysis and feedback have been used to enhance student experience and to support policy and process change. Give Us Feedback: We'd love to hear from you. Help us enhance your podcast experience by providing feedback here in our listener survey. https://bit.ly/CCPodcastFeedback Send a note to host Rob Markey: https://www.robmarkey.com/contact-rob Episode Highlights: Overview of a subscription-like model for student enrollment [03:15] Transition of Ruth from the School of Business to strategy and customer experience leadership [07:10] Approaches to student retention and success [11:45] Utilizing data analytics and technology to improve student outcomes [16:25] Adapting to Covid-19: Impact on student experience and education delivery [20:55] Insights into student acquisition costs and orientation processes [25:30] Reflections on the implementation and evolution of the Net Promoter System [30:15] Ruth's advice for educational transformation and future goals [35:00] Quotable Quotes: "We went from a 59 Net Promoter Score up to a 73 Net Promoter Score." [16:33] "We created a lot of entrepreneurs. We got a lot of people excited about changes they could make in the student experience." [24:19] "We actually set up a pilot team that was using a business leader and tech leader to come together to fix application problems. In fact, we still have that today." [25:06] Guest: Ruth Veloria, chief strategy officer and customer officer, University of Phoenix Host: Rob Markey

How do high-quality NPS benchmarks unlock strategic priorities and initiatives? What if your NPS data seems highly counterintuitive? For example, what if Detractors seem to be more loyal than Promoters? Host Rob Markey and Jason Barro, a partner at Bain & Company and the leader of Bain's NPS Prism benchmarking service, unpack this situation in the airline industry. It's an illustration of how Net Promoter Score benchmark data might be misleading when not all customers have the freedom to choose, revealing the nuanced understanding required to transform raw data into strategic business insights. Jason and Rob use this example to explore some of the ways a sophisticated knowledge of how customers buy, the choices they have available, and how a market's competitive dynamics inform the interpretation of customer loyalty benchmarks like NPS. Episode Highlights: Introduction to Jason and NPS Prism [01:02] Using NPS Data for Market Insight [02:05] Exploring the complexity of NPS in different industries [05:12] Concept of Trapped Customers [10:17] Earned Growth Strategies [23:52] Banking and Insurance Customer Dynamics [27:22] Quotable Quotes: "The more captive you are, the more likely you are to give high share of wallet to somebody that you don't like very much." [15:53] - Rob Markey "One of the effects we see in the Prism data for airlines more broadly is that high frequent travelers are happier than low frequent travelers." [18:06] - Jason Barro "You can see this strategy of, 'Earn the respect and happiness of your customers,' is a path to profitable growth, and you can see…just how much it actually matters." - Jason Barro [23:28] Additional Resources: NPS Prism by Bain & Company Net Promoter System Overview Listen to Jason's earlier podcast, NPS Prism: The Source for True, Deep NPS Insights Bios Jason Barro Rob Markey Get in touch: We'd love to hear from you. Help us enhance your podcast experience by providing feedback here in our listener survey. https://bit.ly/CCPodcastFeedback Send Rob a note here.

From reshaping the playful culture of a global toy company to cracking the customer-centricity code at Zurich Insurance, how did Conny Kalcher manage the leap? Conny Kalcher, now the group chief customer officer at Zurich Insurance, has a rich history of pioneering customer-centric transformations. Conny introduced a swath of fresh perspectives and approaches to the more traditional environment of Zurich Insurance. She did this not long after retiring from a rewarding career at LEGO, where she helped a customer-centric transformation. Her influence transcends the boundaries of any one company, partly a result of her active participation in Bain's NPS Loyalty Forum, where she has made large contributions to the ongoing Net Promoter System movement. For context to today's discussion, you might want to listen to her conversation with Rob Markey in episode 55, Brick by Brick. In this episode, Rob and Conny delve into her remarkable journey from the playful and imaginative domain of toys to the structured and staid sphere of the insurance business. Conny's customer engagement methodology breaks industry molds. She draws parallels and contrasts between her long career in an organization selling toys made of stackable bricks and her new role in a complex global behemoth selling insurance policies and managing financial and operational risk. Conny's anecdotes reveal that most of the principles behind understanding and catering to customer needs are universal, regardless of the specific type of customer or product. As Conny reminisces about her time in the toy industry, she sheds light on how the lessons learned there acted as a catalyst for nurturing a customer-first culture at Zurich Insurance. It illustrates how a keen understanding of customer sentiments can be a game-changer in any industry. Topics covered: Transition from the LEGO Group to Zurich Insurance [02:20] Customer-centric transformation [04:00] Corporate strategy and vision [06:50] Metric implementation (NPS) [07:07] Decentralized vs. centralized organizational structures [11:00] Earning customer loyalty [24:30] Quotable quotes: "Anybody who needs to change something I would definitely advise to also think about, 'How can we do processes, structures, ways of working to make people naturally change,' because people want to do the right thing, basically." [01:45] "We've defined our strategy for this strategic cycle to become the preferred insurer of our customers. So, it's all about earning the loyalty of those customers." [27:15] "My proudest moment in the Zurich [Insurance] journey is when I go to the local offices and I talk to the people there and I see the fire in their eyes, and I see the new brand on the walls, and they talk in a new kind of language that they didn't use to talk in." [32:37] Additional resources: Zurich Insurance's long-term strategy and near-term targets Episode 55 of Customer Confidential Podcast: Brick by Brick: Rebuilding the LEGO Group by Rediscovering Customer Centricity Net Promoter System overview Insurance industry reports by Bain & Company We'd love to hear from you. Help us enhance your podcast experience by providing feedback here in our listener survey. https://bit.ly/CCPodcastFeedback Bios: Conny Kalcher, group chief customer officer at Zurich Insurance Rob Markey

Host Rob Markey welcomes Mark Slatin, CEO of EmpoweredCX, to dissect the intricate dynamics of trust within customer experiences. Drawing insights from real-world examples, they explore the role of product and service quality in establishing trust, the impact of reliability and consistency in decision making, and the potential pitfalls of self-orientation. Delving deeper into the Trust Equation and explaining its different facets, Mark underscores the necessity of understanding the customer's journey and perspective. They address the challenges of reliability, targeted marketing implications, customer vs. company centricity, the art of meaningful recommendations, and more. And they explore how to balance customer needs with shareholder expectations. Mark also provides an analytical perspective on the integral components of trust in a business landscape. In this show, Rob and Mark discuss the Trust Equation, which you can learn more about here: https://trustedadvisor.com/why-trust-matters/understanding-trust/understanding-the-trust-equation https://modelthinkers.com/mental-model/trust-equation Guest: Mark Slatin, CEO of EmpoweredCX We'd love to hear from you. Help us enhance your podcast experience by providing feedback here in our listener survey. https://bit.ly/CCPodcastFeedback