

Shameless Leadership
Sara Dean
Welcome to Shameless Leadership! This show is for women, transgender people, non-binary folks, and allies who are committed to advancing their leadership and the leadership of those around them. In this space, we believe everyone deserves to feel seen, heard, valued, and supported. Our mission is to help you foster these feelings within your own circles of influence to build trust, psychological safety, and a culture of belonging.In each episode, we dive into essential topics impacting women in leadership - everything from shutting down your inner critic and imposter syndrome to overcoming perfectionism to using your voice in new ways to advocate for yourself, your ideas, and other folks carrying marginalized identities. You'll hear practical tips, effective strategies, and inspiring stories that will not only enhance your leadership skills but also broaden your perspective to become a more confident, thoughtful, and empathetic leader.Our stories come from people carrying identities who are often underrepresented, underestimated, and excluded. By sharing their experiences, we aim to provide you with invaluable lessons that will transform your leadership journey. We are thrilled to have you join this community of Shameless Leaders who are actively creating a world where everyone, regardless of gender, can intentionally lead through a more curious, compassionate, and inclusive lens.
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Nov 10, 2021 • 56min
597: Christine Michel Carter: MOM AF and Building Bridges That Support Black Maternal Health
Featured in The New York Times and The Washington Post, Christine Michel Carter is the #1 global voice for working moms. She is also the bestselling author of children’s book Can Mommy Go To Work? and adult novel MOM AF. In 2015, Christine created the first national mommy and me professional development networking event called Mompreneur and Me, which was featured in Adweek and Entrepreneur. She's worked with the Congressional Caucus on Black Women & Girls, the U.S. Department of Labor and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce on maternal and child care related issues. She's also worked on the maternal initiatives of Vice President Kamala Harris and received a Congressional Citation from the U.S. Senate for going “above and beyond in ensuring that Black Moms and Moms of Color have access to important health information for their children and families.” When an inquiry about connecting with Christine landed in my inbox it was an immediate and easy and loud YES from me. I knew she was someone I wanted to learn more from. I’m so grateful for her voice and tenacity. Listen in to hear Christine share:
How she is showing up in all the facets of her identity right now - as a single mom of 2, a mom raising black son, a woman with multiple professional tracks in her career, and a daughter caretaking a parent
Her book, MOM AF, what makes it relatable to in ways that RH and Sheryl Sandberg, “I’m not going to tell you to wash your face or lean in”
The truth about healthcare for Black women vs white women and her own personal experience of discrimination after giving birth to her son
How systemic racism contributes to higher COVID rates among Black people and Black families
What we can do on societal, employment, government levels to support Black maternal health and mental health
Why she’s calling BS on traditional self care and the real truth about the notion of self care
Why “work life balance” isn’t real - and what is real about how moms manage time
How to relate to people in underrepresented groups - and find things in common in order to build relationships and bridges
Links mentioned:
Join my free business training on November 18th
Connect with Christine
Christine on Twitter and IG: @cmichelcarter
Christine on Facebook and LinkedIn: @Christine Michel Carter
Book: Can Mommy Go To Work
Book: MOM AF
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Nov 8, 2021 • 38min
596: See Inside My Business: Pulling Back The Curtain (Part 1)
“Sara, how do you run your business??” Well, let me tell you….I get asked business questions pretty much every single day. Everything from the nitty gritty on how to produce a podcast to how to support clients with varying needs to how to stay inspired and pumped up year after year to what kinds of software to use. SO MANY QUESTIONS! While members of Tenacious Mamas, my business and leadership mastermind, can ask me these questions on our weekly calls, the rest of you don’t have a place to “pick my brain.” So I thought it would be fun to pull back the curtain a bit for you to see how I do things and WHY I do things the way I do. In this episode, I’ll talk about some of the first steps you should take in building a business, as well as how to delegate, and when to know it’s the right time to scale. This is going to be so fun!If you enjoy this episode, I hope you’ll join me for my upcoming free business training on November 18th. I’ll dig even further into these same topics and more. You can sign up for free here: shamelessmom.com/business.Also, ANNOUNCEMENT… After my free business training, I’ll be opening up applications to Tenacious Mamas, my business and leadership mastermind. If you think you could benefit from business coaching with me, I highly recommend you come to the training and apply to Tenacious Mamas. I would love to see if we are a good fit for each other. Link mentioned:Join my free business training on November 18th
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Nov 3, 2021 • 1h 8min
595: Elena Joy Thurston: Living Out Loud After Enduring Life Threatening Conversion Therapy
Elena Joy Thurston is an inspirational LGBTQ+ speaker, trainer, and founder of the nonprofit Pride and Joy Foundation. A Mormon mom of four who lost her marriage, her church, and her community when she came out as a lesbian, Elena’s viral TEDx talk on surviving conversion therapy has been viewed 40,000+ times and landed her media and speaking opportunities with ABC, CBS, Logitech, Penn State, and Michael’s. Elena Joy recently launched Pride and Joy Publishing, the only publisher of solely LGBTQ+ empowerment and business books.I recently met Elena through a coaching program we are both in and I immediately knew I wanted to ask her to come on the show. She has an incredible story that she shares so generously. And her message is of the utmost importance. Listen in to hear Elena Joy share:
Her journey through marriage in the Mormon church, to growing a family of 4 children, to realizing she had a built a life that was not true to who she was
Her experience of coming out as a lesbian as a Mormon mom of 4
How Mormonism encouraged her to disconnect from her body
How she was able to give up control over her body and actually step into her body
How finding opportunities to be embodied led her to realizing her sexuality
The fear of losing her children for eternity when coming out
Her experience of going to conversion therapy to “fix” her attraction to women
The intense gaslighting and traumatization of conversion therapy that her to suicidal thoughts
How she was able to finally own her sexuality and move out of her home and marriage and into a new life as a gay woman
Her advice and guidance to women who might be stuck in the closet
Links mentioned:
Join my free business training on November 18th
Parents of LGBTQ+ Suicide Risk Awareness ALP Workshop on November 9th
PrideandJoyFoundation
AllyQuiz
Linkedin: Elena Joy Thurston
Instagram: Pride Joy Foundation
Instagram: Elena Joy Speaks
Facebook: PrideJoyFound
Twitter: PrideJoyFound
Queer Business Book
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Nov 1, 2021 • 34min
594: Say Yes To What Others Won't
I’ve been watching the ones who say yes over the past couple years. The ones who say yes when others won’t. The ones who say yes even when they aren’t certain they’ll be successful. The ones who say yes because they see possibility and potential. Sometimes the ones who say yes are my mentors. Sometimes they are my clients. Sometimes they are my friends. I’m always in awe. When you say yes, it inspires me to say yes. And I know you inspire many others to say yes too.I recently got to go to my first in person conference since the pandemic - because two women I admire tremendously, Jess Kupferman and Elsie Esocobar, said yes. They said yes to hosting hundreds of women for the first time in 2 years and it was 3 days of magic that will stick with me for a very long time.This episode is dedicated to the ones who say yes. Are you walking among them? If you are, KEEP GOING. If you’re not, it’s ok. Listen in and you might find yourself totally inspired in new ways. Warning: you might become one of the ones who say yes.Link mentioned:Join my free business training on November 18th: shamelessmom.com/business
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Oct 27, 2021 • 58min
593: Hitha Palepu: We’re Speaking - The Life Lessons of Kamala Harris
Hitha Palepu is a woman of multitudes, which is what I loved most about her the first time she came on the show. She is a feminist, a lifelong politics enthusiast, a daughter of immigrants, and a mother raising feminist sons. These multitudes spill into her multi-hyphenated career as an entrepreneur, investor, writer, and speaker.Hitha’s passion for the news and politics is captured in #5SmartReads, a Webby-honored social series that shares 5 must-read articles every day to keep her community informed without being overwhelmed. I follow Hitha’s #5SmartReads on Instagram as one of my primary sources for diverse, culturally significant, and reliable news resources. Hitha's also has a highly visible longtime blog, Hitha On The Go, which established her as an authority on lifestyle topics and gave way to her book, How To Pack, and collaborations with leading brands such as Headspace, Google, and Northwestern Mutual.In her “day job”, Hitha is the CEO of Rhoshan Pharmaceuticals, where she oversees financing, partnerships, and strategy for the company. She is also an investor in innovative companies primarily founded by women and focused on women. She is a sought-after speaker on politics & the news, investing, entrepreneurship, work-life juggle, and motherhood.Listen in to hear Hitha share:
The challenges of of balancing an amazing year of professional opportunities while struggling with showing up as a mom, wife, friend, daughter
Why she decided to write an entire book, We’re Speaking, about Kamala Harris
Why she wrote We’re Speaking as a play book on how to own your story, be a leader and tell your truth to the world
The most surprising thing she learned about Kamala - that had absolutely nothing to do with her political journey
The importance of Kamala’s own mother’s advice about being underestimated: “Don’t let anyone tell you who you are - YOU tell them who you are.”
The significance of showing up with your own unique sense of style in spite of other people’s opinions - in order to feel powerful and exude confidence
The truth about being at the top of her career - and owning that it’s not what she thought it would be
Her advice for moms who want to start to use their voice more often and/or more loudly but don’t know where to start
Links mentioned:
Join my free business training in November
Get the book: We’re Speaking by Hitha Palepu
Hitha on Instagram
Hitha on Twitter
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Oct 25, 2021 • 33min
592: Don’t Let Doubt Be Your Default
Do you catch yourself ruminating on why things are so hard, or spiraling into endless descents of negative self talk, or taking on a constant attitude of, “of course this isn’t going to work out the way I wanted it to”? I’m wondering if, over the course of your journey through motherhood, and layering in the last 20 months of a pandemic, you’ve fallen into a pattern of letting doubt become your default?You have every reason to own the relentlessness of this season. But if it’s compromising your mindset as you navigate your everyday life, it might be time to check in on your defaults. You might be stuck in a pattern of seeing the glass half empty. You might find yourself constantly comparing your life to someone else’s and feeling nagging jealousy. You might be overcome with the shoulds - “I should be…”If doubt has become your default, I’m inviting you to take another look at how you manage your thoughts. There is another way - a better way, I would suggest. A way that allows you to own hard truths while also seeing true and authentic possibility and potential in any moment.Listen in to hear how to reset your default thinking so doubt stops being your default.Link mentioned:Join my free business training in November
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Oct 20, 2021 • 54min
591: Jasmine Bradshaw: What To Do When Your Child (inevitably) Says Something Racist
Jasmine Bradshaw is a researcher, anti-racist educator, and podcaster who truly believes that creating a more loving, inclusive, and just society starts within the sacred walls of our homes. Her podcast, First Name Basis, exists to give parents and caregivers the tools they need to raise anti-racist families. Each week we wrestle with hard questions and use the answers to create the world we want. A world where every single one of our children can be exactly who they are and reach their full potential. She hopes her community makes parents feel empowered and gives them the confidence they need to create lasting change in their sphere of influence.I asked Jasmine to return to the show when I learned that she has a new online course opening up for enrollment, Ally Elementary. I know how invested you all are in raising anti racist children, so I asked Jasmine to come back to talk about how we can talk to our kids about race in an ongoing conversation - because anti racism work is work that has no final destination. While this is a heavy topic, Jasmine and I still manage to bring you a few good laughs. I hope you’ll learn a few things in this conversation and be inspired to keep the conversation going in Jasmine’s Ally Elementary course.Listen in to hear Jasmine share:
Why anti-racist parenting is so critical for our children
Why anti racist education is controversial and why not talking about it perpetuates racism
Exact steps to take when your child (inevitably) says something racist
The 5 B’s of upholding anti racism in your family
How to have curious conversations around race and bias with other people
Why it’s the role of white people, not Black people, to call out discrimation, bias and harm when it happens
The importance of calling out systems of oppression as the problem around race - not skin color
Links mentioned:
First Name Basis podcast episode: Critical Race Theory
First Name Basis podcast episode: Oh No! My Child Said Something Racist
Free Race Talk Road Map: First Name Basis
Get on the WaitList for Ally Elementary
Connect with Jasmine
First Name Basis on IG
First Name Basis on Patreon
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Oct 18, 2021 • 37min
590: 6 Reasons Moms Make Better Leaders at Work
I’ve been sitting on this episode for awhile because it feels like a big responsibility to open up this conversation. The longer I sat on this topic, the more content I came up with - to the point that it seemed there might be no end to my list of “Reasons Why Moms Make Better Leaders At Work.” I am releasing this list today while fully acknowledging that this is probably just the beginning of this conversation. It’s a damn good start.Motherhood makes you a better leader. Full stop. AND…Motherhood makes you a better leader than others in the workplace. Full stop.Whether it’s your ability to be endlessly patient with other people, ruthlessly diligent with your time, or relentlessly adaptable, innovative, and nimble - motherhood trains you to show up and show out in leadership in ways you never knew you were capable of. From productivity to creativity to advocacy to future thinking, motherhood trains you to lead like no other.This episode is for those of you who haven’t quite realized your full potential in leadership in your work because you haven’t quite fully embraced the superpowers you harness as a women who has been trained by a top notch army of generals: your children - and an entire society that positions (forces) women to work their asses off without any recognition. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Oct 13, 2021 • 55min
589: Dr. Traci Baxley: Social Justice Parenting - Raising Allies & Activists
Dr. Traci Baxley is a mother of five, consultant, educator and coach dedicated to supporting families, organizations and corporations in developing diversity & inclusion practices that lead to meaningful relationships, genuine belonging and high productivity. She is also the creator of Social Justice Parenting®, a philosophy that moves families from fear-based parenting to creating spaces of belonging through compassion, radical love and social justice engagement. Her book, Social Justice Parenting, comes out next week on October 19th. This is a book you definitely want in your home library. As part of Traci’s book launch, I will be joining her for her virtual book launch party on October, 20th. This will be a one hour conversation with Traci and me, as well as audience members, as Traci shares stories from the book and talks through some of the most critical things we need to face if we want to parent our children through the lens of social justice values. Sign up to join Traci and me live for this virtual conversation at shamelessmom.com/justice.Listen in to hear Traci share:
Why we must go beyond becoming allies and activists ourselves, and also raise our children to become activists
Her identity as a mother of 5 who has biracial children, neurodiverse children, and children with mental health struggles
The pushback she gets being in an interracial marriage
What fear based parenting looks like - especially in comparison to social justice parenting
How to start shifting gears into social justice parenting
How to talk to your kids about race in small ways that have big impact
Why you can’t always be the fixer for your kids - and the importance of listening for clarity & empathy not just to solve problems as a parent
How parents in mostly white communities can raise conscientious children who are invested in racial equity and social justice
The importance of learning about and talking about Black joy with your kids
Links mentioned:
Join Traci and me for Traci’s virtual book launch on October 20th
Buy the Book: Social Justice Parenting by Dr. Traci Baxley
Connect with Traci: Social Justice Parenting
Traci on IG
Traci on FB
Traci on LinkedIn
Traci on Twitter
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Oct 11, 2021 • 34min
588: 7 Simple Ways To Show Up For Your Life
Everyday you have the chance to show up for yourself, your family and your community in a myriad of ways. On hard days, showing up feels nearly impossible. Heck, some days it is impossible. As we endure the most relentless of seasons, there are a number of ways you can show up, one small step at a time - to keep up your drive, your sense of self, and a bit of momentum. Showing up in small ways over a long period of time makes a really big difference in the entire trajectory of your life. How do I know this??Because I’m the poster child for showing up in small ways one million times over again. It’s what I do. It’s how I built an award winning fitness business. It’s how I built this podcast (that’s nearing 600 episodes), it’s how I kept going when infertility felt like it would win over and over again.Showing up doesn’t have to be a big production. It can be small, simple steps that keep you moving forward just a bit at a time - enough to help you see that you are actually moving forward. In this episode, I share 7 simple ways you can show up for your life. Practicing any one of these will have great impact over time. Let’s keep showing up, my friends.Link mentioned:Join Traci and me for Traci’s virtual book launch on October 20th: Social Justice
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