

PreAccident Investigation Podcast
Todd Conklin
The Pre Accident Podcast is an ongoing safety podcast conversation of Human Performance, Systems Safety, & Safety Culture.
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Apr 10, 2024 • 3min
Safety Moment - Enlightening Insights for Leaders
In this enlightening episode, Todd Conklin explores the paradoxical concept that as a leader, not knowing can actually be a superior position to knowing. Sounds contrarian? Not in the slightest once you understand the reasoning behind it.
The tenet of this discussion is founded on the notions of cognitive and confirmation biases - biases we unknowingly nurture. You might be wondering, "How is ignorance beneficial to a leader?" It's simple. Admitting ignorance gives you the licence to learn, often leading to you shedding your ego while entering a prolific phase of self-improvement.
However, there is a common misconception that acts as a stumbling block for many leaders. It is the belief that displaying any form of ignorance is a sign of weakness, possibly raising questions about their competence. This episode aims to debunk such misconceptions, arguing that there is immense value in conceding ignorance and turning it into a powerful tool for learning.
This intriguing discussion is topped with insights drawn from the scientific world, where every experiment stems from a state of not knowing. These scientists, open to learning and discovering, create fruitful research environments led by the spirit of curiosity and ignorance. Their attitude emphasizes the potency of not knowing – it propels you into a position where learning is more than just acceptable, it is actively sought after.
Join us in this episode to challenge your preconceived notions and learning to embrace the unknown. Let's remember that every day brings new opportunities to learn, have fun, show kindness to one another, and most importantly, keep safe!

Apr 6, 2024 • 29min
PAPod 492 - An Insightful Conversation with Georgina Poole and Sidney Dekker
Explore the insightful conversation with Georgina Poole and Sidney Decker as they discuss the complexities of safety metric measurement in their book 'Random Noise.' They delve into the importance, challenges, and potential manipulations of safety metrics in various industries. Uncover the critical aspects of safety performance, the repercussions of emphasizing safety records, and the necessity of sustainable safety implementation.

Apr 3, 2024 • 3min
Safety Moment - A New Perspective in Safety Management
In this informative episode from Pre-Accident Investigation Safety Moment, Todd Conklin presents an invigorating discussion on the contrasting concepts of recovery and restoration in the realm of safety management. While at first glance, these terms may seem interchangeable, Conklin explains that they imbibe very different meanings.
Recovery, as Conklin describes, is about bringing a system back to its original state post disruption. On the other hand, restoration brings in an evolved perspective. It goes beyond mere recovery by probing deeper into three significant queries - identifying what or who has been harmed, determining what needs to be done for improvement, and assigning accountability for ensuring necessary actions.
According to Conklin, the true efficacy of restoration surfaces during challenging times such as the last four years of continuous change and uncertainty. It has been observed that organizations employing a restorative approach have bounced forward rather than simply bouncing back, arriving at a configuration that is distinct, better suited to the changing environment, and in many ways, superior.
Encouraging listeners to mull over these ideas, Conklin concludes his insightful session with a safety moment. In line with his belief in continuous learning and fostering goodness and safety, this episode provides an enlightening perspective on the multifaceted nature of safety management.

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Mar 30, 2024 • 34min
PAPod 491 - Empirical Vs Emotional Decision Making with Drew Rae
Join Drew Rae, a safety science authority, in an intriguing discussion on empirical vs. emotional decision-making in safety practices. Explore the challenges of integrating evidence-backed decisions, pitfalls in safety culture, and the evolution of Safety Science as a discipline. Uncover the necessity of industry collaborations for credible research and the role of digital transformation in shaping safety practices.

Mar 27, 2024 • 2min
Safety Moment - The Vital Relationship Between Risk and Control
Welcome to this episode of Pre-Accident Investigation Safety Moment, with your engaging host, Todd Conklin. In this insightful talk, Todd delves into the theory that simply identifying risks isn't enough to ensure safety and efficiency.
He emphasizes the importance of understanding what's risky and critical, acknowledging this as vital data. However, he coins the term "necessary but not sufficient" to explain that knowing what's risky alone is not enough. Instead, Todd stresses the critical need to match risk with control, posing it as a requisite approach for mitigation, barrier, or safeguard implementation.
Todd elucidates how the relationship between risk and control within a system is crucial for maintaining balance. Identifying an imbalance in this relationship translates to a problem that not only impedes the system's reliability but also its efficiency. He further explains the interconnectedness and coexistence of robustness, reliability, and efficiency—basing all on the identification of risk.
Todd criticizes traditional safety methods that solely focus on hazard identification and encourage workers to be careful as inadequate. Instead, he insists on the indispensability of risk identification matched with efficient control as the ideal safety approach.
In this spirited safety moment, Todd imparts profound insights that challenge normative thinking on safety methodologies. He emphasizes the need for both fun and safety at work, advocating for kindness and care among all workers. Whether you’re a health and safety professional or just someone aiming for a safer workspace, this is a must-hear episode.

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Mar 23, 2024 • 26min
PAPod 490 - A Panel Discussion on Safety Practices
Panel discussion on accountability in safety practices, redefining traditional views, exploring empathy's role in workplace culture. Delve into generational communication differences, leadership traits, and the importance of asking the right questions for behavior change. Emphasis on driving accountability through conversation, empathy, and critical thinking.

Mar 20, 2024 • 3min
Safety Moment - Integration and Competency in Safety Practices
In this insightful episode, host Todd Conklin delves into an essential concept underpinning functioning safety practices in organizations. He emphasizes the need for competence in implementing innovative, quality safety measures through a quote that encapsulates the episode's primary message: "You can't have integration without competency."
Throughout the podcast, Conklin engages listeners with his vibrant delivery, reiterating the impossibility of effective integration without the foundational competency within an organization. The discussion takes listeners through the necessity of not just the adoption of new safety ideas but also the critical role of skill and expertise in making them work within an existing infrastructure.
In seeking a way to convey this crucial relationship to the audience, he recounts a moment of realization, when an acquaintance's words ring true: "You can't have integration without competency." He considers this one of the most significant messages he has ever imparted, touching on the core principle of integrating safety, quality, production, operations, and financial measures in a way that strikes at the heart of effective management within any organization.
To conclude the safety moment, Conklin's message resonates with advice on personal progression and interpersonal relations. Listing essential values such as learning, fun, kindness, and safety, he rounds off the episode on a positive, unified note.

Mar 16, 2024 • 34min
PAPod 489 - A Deep-diving Conversation with Sidney Decker
Join a profound conversation with Sidney Decker as he challenges the 'don't blame' approach in companies, emphasizing forgiveness for learning. Delve into the intricate world of forgiveness as a force of evolution in organizations, fostering learning and betterment. Explore the uncharted territories of professional life, where forgiveness fuels growth and development, with insights on crisis management and resilience.

Mar 13, 2024 • 2min
Safety Moment - The Trap of Complacency
In this thought-provoking episode, Todd Conklin investigates the seldom-discussed downside of success - complacency. With his signature blend of insight and practicality, Todd challenges the prevalent notion of complacency as a choice, arguing that it is, instead, a function of system stability.
Many organizations, he observes, see complacency as a behavioral fault to be stamped out. Yet, he contends, this understanding is flawed and counterproductive. Instead of regarding complacency as worker failure or sin, Todd urges us to see it for what it truly is - a byproduct of a stable system where nothing bad seems to be happening.
The real challenge and solution, Todd suggests, lies in managing complacency through variability. He propounds that recognizing complacency as an inherent part of a steadily functioning system enables us to counter it more effectively. And the task is not as daunting as it appears because our systems, by nature, are attuned to such variability.
In the end, Todd leaves us with a compelling message for the day: Keep learning, have fun, be good and kind to one another - and most importantly, stay safe.

Mar 9, 2024 • 27min
PAPod 487 - An Insightful Conversation with Lisa Lande
A conversation with Lisa Land at the IAEA is featured, discussing leadership in the nuclear industry and resilience. They explore organizational structures, chaos physics applications, and cultural implications. The episode delves into the future of nuclear organizations, highlighting the need for dynamic change while maintaining stability and cultural nuances.


