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An ex-Al Qaeda jihadi turned MI6 spy and a former monk turned filmmaker, have been embedded at the heart of conflicts in the Middle East. Together Aimen Dean and Thomas Small unpack the realities of war, fundamentalism and their global implications through first-hand experience.
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Jul 16, 2025 • 25min
CC: Q&A – From Bunker Busters to Sahel Battlefields
Listeners dive into U.S. strikes on Iranian nuclear sites and the real impact of 'Bunker Buster' bombs. The discussion veers towards conditions needed for a Middle East peace deal, including Iran's nuclear ambitions. The humanitarian crisis in Gaza is examined alongside the rise of Israeli-backed forces. Complex negotiations within Syria and Lebanon point to possible non-aggression pacts despite ideological barriers. The podcast also expands to the troubling situation in the Sahel region, where jihadist groups are increasingly gaining power.

Jul 9, 2025 • 1h 10min
The Syrian Civil War Pt.9: Aimen’s Nephew Answers the Call to Jihad
Dive into the harrowing insights of a personal journey through the Syrian Civil War. Aimen shares his heart-wrenching story of his nephew, Ibrahim, who chose to fight at just 19, exploring the deep emotional impacts of such radicalization. The discussion broadens to cover Syria's post-war challenges, including food security and power struggles, while also reflecting on the role of foreign fighters and the complexities of integrating them into society. Finally, the conversation expands to Africa's evolving position in a multipolar world, highlighting globalization's ripple effects.

Jul 3, 2025 • 38min
7/7: The Inside Story – A Thursday in July • Episode 1
In July 2005, London faced an unprecedented tragedy as four coordinated bombings transformed a typical morning into chaos. Survivors recount their harrowing experiences while a former jihadist turned spy shares insights on the implications for national security. The contrasting emotions of celebration and fear highlight the day's impact on the city. Emergency responders displayed incredible courage amidst the devastation, fostering unity in the face of adversity. This poignant narrative sets the stage for exploring the long aftermath of the attacks and the evolution of domestic terrorism in the UK.

Jul 2, 2025 • 7min
Introducing - 7/7: The Inside Story
The discussion dives into the devastating 7/7 terrorist attacks in London, examining its profound impact on security, societal integration, and local perceptions of terrorism. Insightful interviews with security officials reveal how the event reshaped national security policies. The host also highlights the unique perspective of Aimen Dean, a former spy for Al-Qaeda, who played a crucial role in the UK’s response to these threats. This introspective narrative offers a gripping look at two decades of evolving security challenges.

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Jun 25, 2025 • 1h 17min
The Syrian Civil War Pt.8: The Untold Story of the Druze From Suwayda
In this engaging discussion, Nour Salam, a Druze human rights and women's rights activist from Suwayda, shares her compelling insights. She reflects on the unique identity of the Druze community amid the challenges of the Syrian civil war. Nour recounts her family's struggles under the Assad regime and highlights her activism during the revolution. The conversation delves into the complexities of local power dynamics, the impact of ISIS, and the ongoing quest for autonomy and stability in Suwayda. Her personal stories amplify the human experiences behind the war.

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Jun 18, 2025 • 1h 21min
Conflicted Revisited... Ayatollah vs. Shah
Dive into the riveting showdown between the Ayatollah and the Shah during the 1979 Iranian Revolution. Explore the intense struggle between modernization and tradition that shaped Iran's future. Discover the indoctrination of children in Qom, steeped in apocalyptic fervor. Unpack the Shah's dilemmas as he attempted to modernize amidst rising dissent. Delve into the complexities of leadership lineage in Islam, and see how the Mahdi concept influenced post-revolutionary governance. Witness the historical roots that stirred this seismic shift in the Middle East.

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Jun 16, 2025 • 1h 5min
CC: Israel & Iran’s Day of Reckoning
Recent military actions have escalated tensions between Israel and Iran, with Israel’s strategic strikes targeting Iranian nuclear sites. The podcast dives into the implications of Operation Rising Lion and its potential to disrupt Iran's nuclear ambitions while debating the likelihood of regime change in Iran. The discussion also highlights shifting dynamics between regional powers, particularly Saudi Arabia's evolving stance. With the looming question of Iran's counterattacks, the geopolitical landscape remains on edge.

Jun 11, 2025 • 26min
CC: Wassim Nasr – Does Lifting Sanctions Equal Stability in Al-Sharaa’s Syria?
Wassim Nasr, a journalist from France 24 and fellow at the Soufan Centre, returns to discuss Syria's evolving landscape. He tackles the recent lifting of sanctions and its implications for President Ahmad Al-Shara's government. The conversation digs deep into Franco-Syrian relations, while exploring how regional dynamics with Turkey and the remnants of ISIS are impacting governance and stability. Nasr also sheds light on the complexities of post-war society, particularly the social dynamics amidst the lingering shadows of radicalism.

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Jun 4, 2025 • 1h 25min
The Syrian Civil War Pt.7: Life Under ISIS in Raqqa
Rania Ali, a filmmaker and public speaker, shares her gripping experiences living in Raqqa during the rise of ISIS. She recounts her childhood in a historically rich city that turned into a hotbed of conflict. Rania bravely details her involvement in protests against oppressive regimes, the liberation by the Free Syrian Army, and the harsh realities of daily life under ISIS's brutal control. She highlights the resilience of her community, especially women who resisted oppression, and shares her harrowing escape amidst chaos.

May 28, 2025 • 25min
CC: Baraa Shiban – Does Trump Spell the End for the Houthis?
An old friend returns to the Conflicted Community for a chat about his home country of Yemen. Yes, you guessed it, it’s the irrepressible Baraa Shiban…
Thomas and Baraa once again discuss the complex and evolving situation in Yemen, focusing on the impact of U.S. administrations, the role of the Houthis, and the broader regional dynamics in the Middle East. The impact of the new Trump administration has entirely changed the situation on the ground there, while increased sanctions and strikes from Israel have seen the humanitarian crisis deepen. The pair also talk about the implications of Houthi actions on regional stability, whether their attacks on Red Sea shipping and Israel will continue, and just what the ceasefire negotiations with the Trump administration mean.
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