Who Cares Wins with Lily Cole

Joining Lily for the start of this brand new series of Who Cares Wins is the comedian, author, icon of Feminism and host of the global hit podcast, The Guilty Feminist. It’s Deborah Frances White. They talk Feminism, Climate Change and Mother Earth herself.  CreditsProducer: Kelsey Bennett Audio Editor and Designer: Kit MilsomMusic by Cosmo SheldrakeArtworkBethan Sherwood Links Robin Wall Kimmerer’s article on the Gift Economy: https://humansandnature.org/returning-the-gift-2021/The Spontaneity Shop : https://www.the-spontaneity-shop.com/ Thank you to ongoing guidance and advice from She Changes Climate in this series. https://www.shechangesclimate.org/

In this bonus episode of Who Cares Wins, Lily Cole presents a blended, thought provoking audio journey on the topic of indigenous wisdom and what we can learn from these remaining cultures about climate change and how to protect the natural world. So in this episode, Lily speaks to 11 indigenous leaders and youth activists from across the globe by weaving together extracts from the pre recorded Listening Sessions hosted with Flourishing Diversity, during the COP 26 summit in late 2021. We also hear the responses of some of the listeners: John Burton, Prince Charles and Zac Goldsmith.Chief Ninawa Huni Kuin - spokesperson for the Huni Kuin people in Acre, Brazil.Agnes Leina - Samburu community, a subset of the Maasai peoples of Kenya.Mindahi Bastida - member of the Otomi-Toltec Nation, Mexico.Cristiane Julião - member of the Pankararu people, northeast Brazil. Tom B.K. Goldtooth - member of the Navajo Nation, America.Eriel Tchekwie Deranger - member of the Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation, Canada.Sonia Guajajara - environmental and indigenous activist, born in Araribóia Indigenous Land, Brazil. Gregorio Diaz Mirabal -  indigenous leader from Wakuenai Kurripako in the Venezuelan Amazon.Victoria Tauli-Corpuz - indigenous leader from the Kankana-ey Igorot people of the Cordillera Region in the Philippines. Elizabeth Wahtuti - Kenyan environment and climate activist and founder of the Green Generation Initiative.Recommended reading:Robin Wall Kimmerer, Braiding SweetgrassDavi Yanomami Kopenawa, The Falling SkyAilton Krenak, Ideas to Postpone the End of the WorldDina Gilio-Whitaker, As Long as Grass Grows: The Indigenous Fight for Environmental Justice, from Colonization to Standing Rock M. Kat Anderson, Tending the Wild Lewis Hyde, The GiftMarcel Mauss, The GiftJames Suzman, Affluence without AbundanceJulia Watson, Lo—TEK. Design by Radical IndigenismSee acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. 

For this bonus episode, Lily explores the issue at the centre of the climate crisis: fossil fuels. Lily also looks at green washing, and the new dangers posed by net-zero pledges. Lily shares insider access - and analysis of the infamous Edinburgh TED Countdown Summit from October 2021, where CEO of Shell Ben van Beurden was pressed on the company’s recently released ‘greenwashed’ net-zero plans, eliciting the first ever TED protest. After an emotional event that saw youth activists leave in protest, Lily is keen to revisit the discussion and give climate science more air-time. So for this episode, she spoke to Professor Gail Whiteman - one of the scientists who analysed Shell’s “Sky Scenario” and interrupted the TED talk to challenge van Beurden’s plans. Lily also includes the voices of indigenous leaders, Eriel Tchekwie Deranger and Tom B.K. Goldtooth, who discuss the effects of fossil fuel companies on their land, and climate activist Vanessa NakateThanks to TED for their permission to include this talk in the episode, you can find the full talk via this linkThanks to Joe Lycett for letting us include his advert Joe Lycett Vs The Oil Giant | The Ad Shell Would NEVER MakeFor more on Eriel Tchekwie Deranger please follow her work on Indigenous Climate Action.For more on Tom B.K. Goldtooth please follow his work at Indiginous Rising and the Indigenous Environmental Network.For more on Vanessa Nakate please follow activism over on TwitterFor more on the Stop Cambo campaign, mentioned by Lauren MacDonald, please visit their websiteTo learn more about Christiana Figueres, check out her book: The Future We ChooseAnd to learn more about the team of scientists among Professor Gail Whiteman at Arctic Basecamp, please visit the website.Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

For this bonus episode, Lily spoke to the physicist and best selling author Carlo Rovelli, about the more fundamental questions: what is reality and how much do we understand it? In this intriguing discussion of consciousness, climate science, quantum physics and doubt, the possibilities widen ahead of us. Some of Carlo’s books relevant to this discussion:Seven Brief Lessons on PhysicsReality Is Not What It SeemsThere Are Places in the World Where Rules Are Less Important Than KindnessHelgolandFor updates on Who Cares Wins, please check out our social channels:@impossible @lilycole@whocares.winsMusic featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

How much should we care? In this final season episode of Who Cares Wins, Lily explores the overwhelm and grief that can come with climate action. But conversely, if we truly understand the destruction that is taking place, why do we continue with business as usual? Are many of us living in denial? We hear from poet-songwriter Patti Smith about what she learned from the Dalai Lama. Writer Jonathan Safran Foer discusses the emphatic leap required; and film-maker Joshua Oppenheimer shares what he learnt about cognitive dissonance when filming The Act of Killing, and the stories we tell ourselves to justify our actions. Lily also speaks with climate activist and lawmaker Farhana Yamin about her journey to and through eco-grief, and psychologist Julia Samuels discusses her clinical experience of eco-grief and anxiety, and tools we might use to lesson overwhelm. Finally, Wade Davis offers wisdom from Tibet. You can find out more about Farhana Yamin and Jonathan Safran Foer, as well as many of the themes explored in this episode, in Lily’s book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.Audible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UHWaterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtrApple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvMWith thanks to the How to Academy for allowing us the use of the interview with Jonathan Safran Foer. How to Academy have their own weekly podcast featuring some of the world's leading thinkers - available to stream from How To Academy dot com or wherever you get your podcasts.www.howtoacademy.com/podcastsAnd thanks to Yeti Television for allowing us the use of the interview with Patti Smith, as well as to Liz Friend, the Producer and Director of the interview. Please find a reading list and more information from our featured guests:Jonathan Safran Foer: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/310/310101/we-are-the-weather/9780241984918.htmlJoshua Oppenheimer: https://shop.bfi.org.uk/joshua-oppenheimer-12-early-works.htmlJulia Samuels: https://www.waterstones.com/book/this-too-shall-pass/julia-samuel/9780241348864Wade Davis: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206/See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Are things getting better? In this episode of Who Cares Wins, Lily speaks to a selection of thinkers and leaders to talk about the cultural, political and social forces that are at play in shaping how we respond to the ecological crisis: whether identity politics risks damaging community; and whether we can protect and preserve cultural identity without xenophobia. Professor of Anthropology at the University of British Columbia Wade Davis, speaks to Lily about his Rolling Stone Article highlighting Covid-19 as the pivotal shift in the unravelling of the American Empire, but also what we can learn from the indigenous communities he’s studied during his career. This episode also features an interview with two members of the the Yawanawa Amazonian tribe on what they believe our different cultures can learn from one another. Lily speaks to youth climate activist Vanessa Nakate about how clan identities in Ugandan culture have been used to preserve ecosystems; whilst folk song collector Sam Lee talks about how he seeks out the ancient oral traditions in the British Isles. The episode concludes with songs from Sam Lee and the Yawanawa.You can find out more about the themes touched on in this episode, as well as many others in Lily’s book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.Audible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UHWaterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtrApple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvM To enter the competition to leave a review of the podcast for the chance to win a free download of the audiobook edition of Who Cares Wins, please enter your details and view the T&Cs here: https://www.penguin.co.uk/articles/2020/october/who-cares-wins.htmlPlease find a reading list from our featured guests: Wade Davis's Rolling Stone Article: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206/Wade Davis's book The Wayfinders: https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/9780887847660?gC=5a105e8b&gclid=CjwKCAiAkan9BRAqEiwAP9X6UW-H1X56GFjHkOo_DzfROpdwLpgt5e8ZWABtUa0b8WWSihThX_veaBoCHwUQAvD_BwEWade Davis' book Magdelena: https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/9781847926104?gC=5a105e8b&gclid=CjwKCAiAtK79BRAIEiwA4OskBv9MW_TD1T0Y-FAKLB1atGqPtMaiNUWCgod-mL-2c7hKLyX2hF5jMRoCwnQQAvD_BwE  Vanessa Nakate's climate speech at The 10th annual Desmond Tutu peace lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLOi04L0OHo&feature=emb_logo Sam Lee's Nightingale book: https://www.penguin.co.uk/authors/1085629/sam-lee.htmlSam Lee's album Old Wow: https://samleesong.co.uk/recordings/old-wow/   Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Is growth good? In this week’s episode of Who Cares Wins, Lily explores how global economic development has both contributed to the climate crisis and, others argue, is helping solve it. Lily speaks to the thought leaders in sustainability who question relentless economic growth: fashion consultant Aja Barber, director of Greenpeace UK John Sauven, and writer George Monbiot.Lily also explores the other side of the debate; looking at Lisa Jackson’s work at Apple as a case study of corporate environmental ambition; and speaking with the principal research scientist at MIT Andrew Mcafee, who argues that it is possible to decouple economic growth from environmental impact, and that intense competition and technology (through growth) is already helping us to get “more from less.”Finally, biologist and author Merlin Sheldrake helps listeners understand the role of growth, cooperation and competition in evolution.You can learn more from George Monbiot, Lisa Jackson and other advocates of conscious consumerism or de-growth in Lily’s book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.Waterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtrAudible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UHApple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvMPlease find a reading list from our featured guests, or their references: Merlin Sheldrake - Entangled Life: How Fungi Make Our Worlds, Change Our Minds and Shape Our Futures: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/1115381/entangled-life/9781847925190.html George Monbiot - Feral: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/180586/feral/9780141975580.html George Monbiot - Out of the Wreckage: https://www.versobooks.com/books/2732-out-of-the-wreckage Andrew McAfee - More from Less: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/More-from-Less/Andrew-McAfee/9781982103583 Jason Hickels - Less is More: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/111/1119823/less-is-more/9781785152498.html David Pilings - The Growth Delusion: https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/the-growth-delusion-9781408893722/ Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Is democracy under threat or should we relax and read less news?Building on the conversation from the previous episode, Lily investigates how our public awareness is shaped by the media we consume. Lily speaks with Carole Cadwalladr - the groundbreaking investigative journalist who broke The Facebook–Cambridge Analytica scandal; as well as Alan Rusbridger, the former Guardian editor-in-chief and member of the Facebook Oversight Board. Lily also hears from Ugandan youth climate activist Vanessa Nakate on how she uses social media to draw attention to marginalised voices; and David Attenborough on the importance of television for growing environmental awareness. The episode concludes with a thought provoking conversation with historian and author Rutger Bregman about our negativity bias, and why perhaps, we should simply read less news.With thanks to the Radio Times for giving permission to use the interview with David Attenborough, and to Hay Festival for their permission to use the interview with Rutger Bregman.You can find out more about the themes touched on in episode, as well as many others in Lily’s book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.Waterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtrAudible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UHApple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvM Please find a reading list from our featured guests:David Attenborough's new book, A Life on Our Planet:Waterstones: https://bit.ly/30HCjCOAudible: https://bit.ly/2FyV3g5Carole Cadwalladr’s Ted Talk:https://www.ted.com/talks/carole_cadwalladr_facebook_s_role_in_brexit_and_the_threat_to_democracy?language=pt-brRutger Bregman’s latest book: Humankind: a hopeful historyhttps://www.waterstones.com/book/humankind/rutger-bregman/9781408898932Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Can you change a system from within? In light of the UN’s call for “transformative systemic change”, in this week’s episode Lily explores how that systemic change might actually happen: wondering if our legal and political machinery is up to the task, and asking why people are taking to the streets, and even getting arrested, to try to change our laws. Lily speaks to four environmentalists who share similar aims but very different pathways: an MP and Minister working with and within the UK government; activists activity rebelling against the UK government; law makers and law breakers. Guests include the UK’s Conservative Environmental Minister Zac Goldsmith, Green Party MP Caroline Lucas, environmental lawyer and activist Farhana Yamin and co-founder of Extinction Rebellion Gail Bradbrook.   Questioning whether the pressure from the outside is necessary to shift gears in the conversation, this is a fascinating episode that ultimately explores where power lies in a crisis. You can hear more from Farhana Yamin, Caroline Lucas, Gail Bradbrook, and other protestors and politicians in Lily’s book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.Audible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UHWaterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtrApple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvMMusic featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Where did it all go wrong? This week, Lily addresses a paradox in the environmental movement - affordability. Is our economy structured in a way that makes being environmental prohibitively expensive? Or are the wealthy creating most of the emissions? How do we afford sustainability and can we afford not to? Speaking to a plethora of intellectuals, Lily explores the connections between equality and the environment - and looks at political solutions that seek to ally environmental sustainability with social justice. Lily speaks with the economist who has spent decades pushing forward a Universal Basic Income, Professor Guy Standing, co-founder of the Economic Security Project Natalie Foster and Mayor Tubbs who is leading a trial UBI project in California. This episode also includes writer Alison Stine, advocate of carbon pricing Elon Musk and anthropologist James Suzman who discusses the origins of inequality. As ever, Lily creates a space of discussion and discovery, encouraging us to seek optimism in the solutions that exist. You can hear more from Guy Standing, Mayor Tubbs, Natalie Foster, James Suzman and many others in Lily's book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now:Waterstones: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UHAudible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UHApple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvMPlease find a reading list from our featured guests:Alison Stine - Road Out Of Winter https://www.harlequintradepublishing.com/shop/books/9780778309925_the-growers-tale.htmlJames Suzman - Work: A history of how we spend our time. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Work-History-How-Spend-Time/dp/152660499XGuy Standing - Battling Eight Giants https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/battling-eight-giants-9780755600632/Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.