

Imperfect Leaders
Jeffrey Cohn, Podcast Host
There is no such thing as a perfect leader. We invite the country's most admired leaders to talk about their imperfections and leadership journey.
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Jun 18, 2023 • 36min
The Right Kind of Wrong - with Harvard Business School Professor, Amy Edmondson
Harvard Business School Professor Amy Edmondson has been recognized as the #1 thought leader in the world.
She literally revolutionized the way CEOs around the world think about psychological safety. In her new book - The Right Kind of Wrong - she takes this conceptual framework one big step forward - and shares a practical tool-kit to help people reframe risk and learn from mistakes.
Edmondson confronts head-on the biggest dilemma facing innovative organizations. Bluntly, it requires people take risks and venture into the unknown. Yet people despise failure. How can leaders resolve this paradox? How can leaders create a culture that inspires their people to innovate, to be inclusive, to share unpopular views, to venture into the unknown, and to learn from their mistakes? How should talent feel about inevitable failure - and the embarrassment and shame they may feel?
One thing is certain - until organizations embrace 'intelligent failure' - they'll be at a competitive disadvantage to more innovative competitors.
Professor Edmondson's practical lessons apply broadly and equally well to innovators, CEOs, elite athletes, top chefs, research lab scientists, and even parents who just want to raise kids who embrace a more healthy perspective to risk taking and learning from the right kind of wrong.
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Apr 26, 2023 • 40min
Doing Well by Doing Good - with Jennifer Nuckles, CEO R-Zero
Think of all the germs, bacteria, virus, and other airborne diseases we expose ourselves to every single day.
Think how much worse this problem is when we are indoors, in closed spaces, and around lots of people. One last thing - consider that a full 90% of our time is spent indoors! Taken together, this is a big problem.
R-Zero has the solution - an energy efficient, technology-enabled, cost-effective, and 99.99% efficacious way to zap these harmful micro-organisms before they have a chance to enter your bloodstream. It's no surprise they've attracted elite partners and investors like The Mayo Clinic, John Doerr, Chairman Kleiner Perkins, Ira Ehrenpreis founder of DBL Partners,
The CEO of fast-growing startup is Jennifer Nuckles - an energetic, whip-smart, values-driven leader who believes strongly in the adage that companies should do well (make money) by doing good (helping others and the planet).
Jennifer shares her incredible journey, obstacles along the way, and valuable leadership lessons.
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Apr 24, 2023 • 54min
G.H. Smart - The World's Best Leadership Advisory - with Founder, Geoff Smart
Today's guest - Geoff Smart - has literally revolutionized the way companies around the world think about talent and leadership.
The leadership advisory Geoff founded - G.H. Smart - is on speed-dial of the world's top CEOs, private equity investors, and corporate board members - who call when crucial and complex leadership challenges need an elegant, data-driven solution - like CEO succession and executive team composition.
In much the same way that Professor Michael Porter of the Harvard Business School redefined the way companies think about strategy formulation, Geoff and his colleagues at G.H. Smart - have forever changed the way companies around the world think about talent. Until Geoff quantified a practical approach to assessing leadership potential and culture fit, companies were forced to naively rely on 'gut feel' and instinct. The G.H. Smart approach is 10X more effective.
As Geoff's former professor and management guru - Peter Drucker - famously said, 'culture eats strategy for breakfast.' And now, decades later, G.H. Smart helps clients - every single day - bring this vision to life.
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Apr 17, 2023 • 29min
Succession - Not the HBO Hit Show, But Real Life Succession with Chairman of Tyson Foods, John Tyson
Long before 'Succession' - the hit TV Show on HBO, John Tyson was actually living this drama. His grandfather started a company called Tyson Foods in Springdale, Arkansas.
Today the company employs over 120,000 people and supplies nearly a quarter of all the beef, pork and chicken in the entire country - under the brand names Tyson, Jimmy Dean, Hillshire Farm, Ballpark, and many others.
John shares his thoughts on the board's number one responsibility - CEO succession planning. John recognizes there simply is no such thing as a perfect leader. To become CEO of Tyson Foods - even if your last name is Tyson - it's a long, hard, 30 year-trek...and even then its not a sure thing to reach the corner office.
Any comments, questions or thoughts to share with today's podcast guest - John Tyson - join our community at www.imperfectleaders.com.

Mar 21, 2023 • 18min
Get Out of Your Comfort Zone - Stan Van Gundy, Former NBA Coach and TNT Analyst
Stan Van Gundy - is an icon in sports and broadcasting.
Before his current stint as a top basketball analyst at TNT, he was an NBA coach for several NBA teams, including the New Orleans Pelicans.
According to Coach Van Gundy, the best talent - across all disciplines - not just in sports, but in music, in academia, and certainly in business - don't just welcome occasional feedback and advice - they absolutely crave it.
They constantly seek to get out of their comfort zone - stretch the limits of their potential - make some mistakes along the way - reflect upon what they can do better - and eventually change their mindset and level up to unimaginable heights.
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Mar 9, 2023 • 56min
The Brand Leader - A Conversation with Vivaldi's Founder and CEO, Erich Joachimsthaler
Today's guest - Erich Joachimsthaler - is the #1 brand strategist on the planet.
He built from scratch a top-ranked professional services firm - called Vivaldi_ - which regularly advises the world's most admired CEOs and chief marketing officers - on their most complex transformational issues.
Joachmisthaler's leadership journey will amaze you. He has continuously 'written the next chapter' - each new one more riveting than the last - from humble roots growing up in a small town in Germany to earning a doctorate from Harvard Business School to co-authoring Brand Leadership (with David Aaker) which literally redefined the way companies think about brand, strategy and their core purpose.
It's no wonder why top talent and future leaders are attracted to Vivaldi. The firm has a unique culture and inspires future leaders to reach maximum potential.
His most recent book - The Interaction Field - has been recognized by top scholars at elite business school.
We all know that something fundamental has changed in how businesses deliver value, but many of us have no idea what to do about it. This deeply insightful book takes you behind the scenes to explore the idea of shared value - for real. Virality, network effects and learning have changed the very nature of competitive advantage. This deeply insightful book will show you how to use these shifts to your advantage."―Rita Gunther McGrath, professor, Columbia Business School
"A thrilling new way of looking at a successful business model for the future. This fascinating book contains great business stories-such as LEGO, John Deere, Alibaba, Flatiron Health, and more-as well as important thinking today's CEOs should become familiar with."―Vijay Govindarajan Coxe Distinguished Professor at Tuck at Dartmouth NYT and WSJ Best Selling Author, Three Box Solution: A Strategy For Leading Innovation
"In this powerful and groundbreaking book, Joachimsthaler clearly demonstrates how platform thinking can be utilized to create shared value and drive new growth for companies and brands."―David Collis, Adjunct Professor at Harvard Business School, author, Corporate Strategy: Resources and the Scope of the Firm
"A fascinating, practical and insightful book that brilliantly examines the value that platform thinking can bring to companies and brands in today's hyper-connected world."―Sangeet Paul Choudary, CEO of Platformation Labs, International best-selling co-author, Platform Revolution and author of Platform Scale
"An engaging, insightful and immensely practical book on building strong brands and businesses delivering not just shareholder value but also shared value for companies, customers and society."―Vince Hudson Senior Vice President, Enterprise Marketing Strategy, American Express
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Feb 26, 2023 • 53min
Kent Thiry - Inspiring a Future Generation of Transformational Leaders
Kent Thiry is one of the most admired and accomplished leaders in the country.
For many years he was CEO and Board Chair of Davita - and now he is a philanthropist, a friend and a trusted advisor to high potential CEOs, politicians, environmental activists, and rising stars. Thiry also works closely with top private equity firms including KKR and Partners Group.
During this conversation, Thiry is completely vulnerable and comfortable in his own skin - sharing with us crucible experiences - that both tested and shaped his leadership mettle. For example, Thiry shares with us his recent horrifying experience with the U.S. Government which accused him of conspiracy - violating the Sherman Act - charges which he was completely and quickly exonerated.
Importantly, Thiry explains what he learned from this agonizing experience, and imparts wisdom for any aspiring leader who will themselves inevitably confront terrifying challenges - and who will need to dig deep, develop resilience, and lean into their core values. This is what leadership in today's unpredictable world requires - and there is simply no better mentor or sounding board than today's guest.
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Feb 14, 2023 • 38min
Marisa Thalberg - Using Soft Skills to Supercharge Iconic Brands - Taco Bell, Loews, and Estee Lauder
Today's guest - Marisa Thalberg - has successfully guided some of the country's most iconic brands through incredible transformations - including Lowe’s, Taco Bell, The Estée Lauder Companies.
Here are just a few of the leadership qualities I noticed during our conversation - Intuition. Compassion. Empathy. Vulnerability. Have these soft skills traditionally been described as 'feminine.' You bet!
And men better join this so called feminine revolution or they have no chance succeeding in today's fast-moving, complex, unpredictable world.
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Feb 11, 2023 • 49min
JFK Jr. - America's Reluctant Prince - As Told by His Old Friend Professor Steve Gillon
Imagine if your father was a famous U.S. President? Then, imagine your father's life being taken away in a brutal assassination. How would you recover? What impact would this have on your personality and well-being? Would you want to follow in your father's Presidential footsteps - or would you become a reluctant prince?
Every leader has crucible moments - intense experiences that define their authentic leadership style and core values. It's how you define and make sense of those experiences that matter most.
In today's episode, Professor Steve Gillon - an old friend of JFK Jr.'s - describes John's incredible journey of self-discovery - from playing under his dad's desk in the Oval Office to a revelatory moment much later in life, ice skating in Harlem during which he discovered his passion for public service - and giving others hope.
Of course we all know the tragic ending - his journey was cut far too short - but the lessons and the stories - are timeless.
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Feb 2, 2023 • 44min
Collective Genius in Health Care - with Dr. Rakesh Suri - and Harvard Business School Professor Linda Hill
Dr. Rakesh Suri is one of the top heart transplant surgeons in the world - with stints at both Mayo Clinic and the Cleveland Clinic - the top two hospitals in the world.
Suri is also one of the most visionary leaders in the world. Recognizing his considerable gifts, Tony Robbins recently recruited Suri to help lead a revolutionary new healthcare venture called Fountain Life.
Rakesh's leadership journey is so compelling, that one of the world's top scholars - Linda Hill - a Professor at the Harvard Business School - wrote three case studies on Dr. Suri - focusing on leadership, globalization, and innovation.
Today, we are in for a special treat. I've invited both Suri and Hill to the podcast.
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