The Healthcare Policy Podcast ® Produced by David Introcaso

Listeners are all well aware US healthcare is increasingly unaffordable. Among other stats nearly 50% of Americas are either uninsured, at 8% or 27 million, or underinsured, at 41% or 120 million. Upwards of 4.8 million Americans are expected to drop their ACA coverage; the average commercial family plan comes w/a $6,800 annual premium and 42% of Americans are now enrolled in high-deductible commercial health plans. As a result 36% of all adults now skip or postpone medical care. Though I’ve likely previously cited, the Noble Prize-winning Princeton economist Angus Deaton concluded in 2020, the US healthcare industry, “is a cancer at the heart of the economy, one that has widely metastasized, bringing down wages, destroying good jobs and making it harder and harder for state and federal governments to afford what their constituents need. Public purpose and wellbeing of ordinary people are being subordinated to the private gain of the already well off. None of this would be possible without acquiescence – and sometimes enthusiastic participation – of the politicians who are supposed to act in the interest of the public.” This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.thehealthcarepolicypodcast.com

Over the past 12 years the Affordable Care Act (ACA) has reduced the total number of uninsured Americans and low-income individuals more specifically by over 50% and by over 66% for young adults. In 2025 the ACA insured a record breaking 45 million Americans: 24 million through the federal and state exchanges; and, 21 million via the ACA’s expansion of the Medicaid program. Having been under nearly continual attack by Republicans, the proposed 2027 ACA rule, announced February 9th (with comments due March 13), was highly anticipated. Within a week after it was announced, Professor Keith and her colleague Matthew Fielder authored three lengthy essays unpacking numerous proposed rule provisions. Top of line the authors noted the proposed, if finalized, will decrease marketplace enrollment by 2 million in 2027 (marketplace enrollment is already down this year by one million due to the Congress’s refusal or failure to extend COVID-era enhanced premium tax credits) and will increase ACA-related reporting & record keeping by approximately $1.34 billion every year. The first of three Health Affairs’ Forefront essays by Katie Keith and Matthew Fielder is at: https://www.healthaffairs.org/content/forefront/hhs-proposes-sweeping-changes-2027-marketplace-plans-part-1 The second is at: https://www.healthaffairs.org/content/forefront/hhs-proposes-sweeping-changes-2027-marketplace-plans-part-2The third is at: https://www.healthaffairs.org/content/forefront/hhs-proposes-sweeping-changes-2027-marketplace-plans-part-3The proposed rule is at: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2026-02-11/pdf/2026-02769.pdfCMS’ related press release is at: https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/fact-sheets/hhs-notice-benefit-payment-parameters-2027-proposed-rule This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.thehealthcarepolicypodcast.com

Podcast listeners are aware US healthcare, the largest industry in the world’s largest economy, consumes- and wastes a massive amount of carbon-based energy made painfully evident by the fact annual greenhouse gas emissions account for over 600 million metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalents. Healthcare’s extraordinary or excessive energy consumption means it is a high entropy producer, one that is s responsible for a great deal of (literally) unaccounted for waste, termed more formally negative externalities. What this means in sum is the US healthcare industry works directly against itself. For example, the annual social costs of just three industry greenhouse gas emissions are has high as more than total annual Medicare and Medicaid spending, or ~ $2 trillion. For this reasons and others entropic philosophy as a root metaphor can explain our infatuation with modern entropic nihilism and can offer or a way out of or overcoming it. Prof. Mussett’s 2022 work, “Entropic Philosophy, Chaos, Breakdown and Creation,” is at: https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/entropic-philosophy-9781538165188/.Drew Dalton’s related Aeon essay published last August and discussed here, “Reality is Evil,” is at: https://aeon.co/essays/philosophers-must-reckon-with-the-meaning-of-thermodynamics. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.thehealthcarepolicypodcast.com

Listeners may recall I interviewed Ms. Smith early last March because the Trump administration immediately abandoned a decades old policy that forbade immigration enforcement at “protected [or sensitive] areas” that include healthcare facilities. Now a year later, ICE contingents have been sent to over 15 cities including of course Minneapolis. Beyond ICE arrest operations resulting in gunshot wounds, blunt force and psychological trauma and a constellation of subsequent health harms via arrest and detention, ICE agents have been appearing moreover in community health center and hospital ED waiting rooms, accessing facility medical examination rooms and pursuing Medicaid and other patient record resources. As a result, patients are effectively being “ICE-d Out of healthcare.” A recent Kaiser survey found, e.g., 14% of lawfully present immigrants, 8% of naturalized citizens and 48% of undocumented immigrant adults said they or a family member have avoided seeking medical care this year. In turn, healthcare providers are in sum left to determine how they can meet their professional responsibilities to effectively render timely care while managing or deescalating intimidation and avoiding possible obstruction charges. The recently published JAMA article, “Patients Are Getting ICE-d Out of Health Care” is at: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2845182. The recently published Stateline article, “Health care workers want ICE Out of Hospitals, and Blue States Are Responding,” is at: https://stateline.org/2026/02/09/health-care-workers-want-ice-out-of-hospitals-and-blue-states-are-responding/. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.thehealthcarepolicypodcast.com

Over the past few weeks the Trump administration has significantly upped its game to eliminate greenhouse gas regulations that protect human and global health. The Sabin Center on Climate Change Law’s “Climate Backtracker” database presently identifies over 320-related administrative and regulatory actions that in sum undermine the EPA’s mission to protect human health and the environment. Most recently, the US has withdrawn from the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) and 65 other related international organizations, rescinded National Environmental Protection Act’s (NEPA) implementing regulations and moved to roll back automotive fuel efficiency standards by nearly 33%. Concerning the Clean Air Act, initially passed in 1963, the EPA is expected to soon finalize a 2025 proposed rule to rescind its Endangerment Finding that provides the legal basis for the agency to regulate six greenhouse gasses and recently announced the agency is no longer estimating the monetary value of lives saved in establishing the limits of two major air pollutants: ozone; and, fine particulate matter frequently noted as PM 2.5. The Columbia University Sabin Center “Climate Backtracker” database is at: https://climate.law.columbia.edu/content/climate-backtracker. Information on Resources for the Future is at: .https://www.rff.org/.Dr. Hubbell’s bio is at: https://www.rff.org/people/bryan-hubbell/. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.thehealthcarepolicypodcast.com

To begin my 14th year of podcasting, my 335th interview is with John Abraham, Professor of Thermal Science and Fluid Mechanics at the University of St. Thomas. Prof. Abraham joins me for a fifth time or for a fifth consecutive year to discuss ocean warming in 2025 and the increasingly frightening consequences thereof. Last Friday, Prof Abraham along with 54 research colleagues published in “Advances in Atmospheric Sciences” the article, “Ocean Heat Content Sets Another Record in 2025.” Their research found that in 2025 oceans absorbed 23 zetajoules (n followed by 21 zeros) of heat (30% more than in ’2024), a finding consistent with the fact that nearly every year since the start of the millennium has sent a new ocean heat record. In turn, the authors note long-term ocean heat accumulation contributed to extreme climate-related events in 2025 that included increasingly intense tropical cyclones, hurricanes and typhoons, heavier downpours (e.g., in late October Central Vietnam received 5.5 feet of rain in 24 hours), greater flooding, landslides, wildfires, longer marine heatwaves, increasingly decimated sea life, ice sheet loss and sea level rise that in sum impacted billions around the world. As I noted in previous years, ocean surface temps are now warming 40 times faster than 40 years ago. Because ocean heat content plays a fundamental role in the Earth’s energy, water and carbon cycles, warming ocean temperatures disrupt marine life that substantially threaten the availability of food we eat and the oxygen we breathe. Abraham and colleagues’ article, “Ocean Heat Content Sets Another Record in 2025,” is at: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00376-026-5876-0. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.thehealthcarepolicypodcast.com

At least one in four girls suffers childhood sexual abuse. For example, the Department of Justice (DoJ) concluded Jeffery Epstein trafficked over 1,000 girls, some as young as 14. Nevertheless, six years after Epstein’s reported suicide, the Trump Administration’s 2026 budget proposes to entirely delete a subsection of federal law that requires DoJ’s Office of Violence Against Women to be “a separate and distinct office” and proposes to cut the Office of Violence Against Women’s budget by nearly 30%. Per the CDC’s Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs) study, launched over 25 yrs ago, at least 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 20 boys are sexually abused. Among numerous other sobering stats, ACEs-related health consequences cost the US an estimated $14.1 trillion dollars annually in direct medical spending and lost healthy-life years. Dr. Frank Putnam, a child and adolescent psychiatrist at the U. of North Carolina’s Medical School who has spent his 35-year professional life investigating the effects of childhood sexual abuse on child development and adult outcomes, has recently completed “Old Before their Time” an autobiographical account of his research work and findings. In Dr. van der Klok’s introduction to the book, he states childhood sexual abuse “embeds itself in a child’s mind, body and behavior and is expressed across generations.” Deterrence “is the most powerful target for the prevention of mental illness and for reducing premature death from common illnesses.”Information regarding “Old Before Their Time” is at: https://www.amazon.com/Old-Before-Their-Time-Investigating/dp/1032974826. Dr. Frank Putman’s bio is at: https://www.med.unc.edu/psych/people/frank-w-putnam-md/. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.thehealthcarepolicypodcast.com

The US has effectively always suffered a physician shortage. Last year the AMA estimated a shortage of 86,000 by 2035. US policymakers have since 1965 addressed this problem by recruiting foreign born physicians (termed Foreign Medical Graduates or FMGs), mostly from Southeast Asia, largely India. Today FMEs, that account for 25-30% of the physician workforce, are disproportionately employed in Health Professional Shortage Areas or HPSAs in which there remains or persists a strong demand, e.g., HRSA recognizes over 7,500 primary care HPSAs. Nevertheless, Prof. Alam concludes stratifying our medical system can be interpreted in part as a cover up to a problem of long-term disinvestment in rural healthcare and minority health. Simply growing the work force has had, Prof Alam argues, both a minimal impact on the equitable distribution of US healthcare resources while intensifying global health inequalities resulting from substantial brain drain.Information about Prof. Alam’s book is at: https://www.press.jhu.edu/books/title/53838/care-foreigners?srsltid=AfmBOopgVAOX_1s9S7NaIMoKsXgrUS2htC4_HaE0zTYDrfQJltnIpRK7. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.thehealthcarepolicypodcast.com

Over roughly the past year Prof. Blumberg and her Georgetown Center for Health Insurance Reform (CHIR) colleagues have been researching healthcare providers and payers increasing use of third-party entities they collectively termed “middlemen” with whom providers and payers contract to provide various supportive administrative or financial services. For example, payers frequently use of Third Party Administrators/TPAs and providers of Revenue Cycle Managers/RCMs. The use of middlemen is a problem because these entities are “rent seeking,” meaning they profit without creating new or additional value, thereby reducing economic efficiency and competition and driving prices up. In CHIR’s October report titled, The Complex Web of HC Fin Interests & Their Implication for Even Higher Spending,” Prof. Blumberg and her colleagues concluded relationships with middlemen have “resulted in a complex web of cost increasing incentives, money flows, and conflicts of interest. The complexity is so tremendous that it is virtually impossible to capture the entire picture of the existing financial relationships.” (Listeners may recall interviewed Leigh’s Prof. Katz-Olson in March 2022 regarding her related work, “Ethically Challenged, PE Storms US Health Care.” CHIR writings discussed during this interview include:https://chir.georgetown.edu/events/why-health-care-costs-are-rising-the-role-of-corporatization-and-bipartisan-solutions-to-increase-affordability/https://chir.georgetown.edu/events/why-health-care-costs-are-rising-the-role-of-corporatization-and-bipartisan-solutions-to-increase-affordability/https://chir.georgetown.edu/evidence-on-private-equity-suggests-that-containing-costs-and-improving-outcomes-may-go-hand-in-hand/https://chir.georgetown.edu/third-party-administrators-the-middlemen-of-self-funded-health-insurance/https://chir.georgetown.edu/independent-dispute-resolution-process-2024-data-high-volume-more-provider-wins/CHIR’s publication page is at: https://chir.georgetown.edu/search/?filter=publications This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.thehealthcarepolicypodcast.com

Even though PC is the only component of healthcare shown to increase life expectancy and is crucial to achieving healthcare equity, outcomes, quality and value PC remains on life support. For example, an August National Academy of Medicine report concluded, “despite PC’s essential value for the health of the nation, more than 100 million people across rural and urban communities in the US are experiencing a calamitous lack of access to primary care.” Among numerous problems: PC accounts for less than 5% of total healthcare spending; there are too few primary care clinicians and too many, at 7,501, HRSA PC shortage areas; PC clinicians are inadequately reimbursed and maldistributed. Consequently, PC struggles to adequately address prevention, the social determinants of health, integrate care particularly behavioral health services and ultimately achieve optimal value. In “Wonderful and Broken,” Prof. Brennan discusses how PC care can be improved and organizations that are at least on the path toward stable and effective PC delivery. (Listeners may recall I interviewed Prof. Brennan in October 2024 regarding his just published previous work, “The Transformation of American Health Insurance” & that this is at least my 5th PC discussion dating back to 2013.)Information on Prof Brennan’s book is found at: https://www.press.jhu.edu/books/title/54051/wonderful-and-broken?srsltid=AfmBOor4SJMCBvCYWck_6Aobdxk-ZUJgusnceOxxT-eghoU8CkPc3kMl. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.thehealthcarepolicypodcast.com