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“It’s not as simple as choosing not to care—you’re caught in a bind either way,” says Alicia Menendez, MSNBC anchor and author of The Likeability Trap. Menendez joins Elise Loehnen to talk about why many women are presented with two options: being a good leader or being liked. She urges us to stop responding to situations with the hope we will be more liked. And instead, she suggests that we ask ourselves whether we are being clear with our vision and executing it well. Through her research, Menendez has identified principles that good leaders follow—which sometimes means making decisions that other people don’t like. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

“Courage is not an absence of fear,” says Mellody Hobson, co-CEO and president of Ariel Investments. “It’s overcoming it.” Hobson, who experienced financial instability throughout her childhood, set out to understand money. And once she did, she decided to spread that knowledge to help others feel financially empowered. Hobson believes in the power of women: When we surrender our dreams of being rescued by someone else, we realize how powerful we can become. She also believes that diversity isn’t just “the right thing to do.” Creating and fostering a more diverse workplace, where your conference rooms reflect the world outside, is the smart thing to do. Together with Loehnen, Hobson explores how we can see, understand, and embrace difference—and at the same time, not allow difference to influence how we consider a person. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sophia Bush—actor, activist, and host of the podcast Work in Progress—joined Elise Loehnen on stage at the last In goop Health summit of the year. “You’re very often reduced to the thing that’s the least interesting about you,” Bush said, “because it makes other people feel comfortable when they’re in the presence of successful women.” It can be scary to leave the box that other people put you in. It can be intimidating to use your voice or platform for social change. And it can be challenging to really listen to people you disagree with. But Bush proves that this is all also thrilling, important, and incredibly rewarding. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

“I felt empty and alone,” says Demi Moore, “but oddly not lonely.” The actor and author of the new memoir Inside Out joins GP to talk about what happened after the things she had been hiding from “came spilling out.” Moore describes the process of becoming vulnerable and learning to identify the misperceptions we hold against ourselves and others. One of the biggest traps, says Moore, is needing to place blame. This can keep us from accountability, from forgiveness, from moving on. There is so much meaning to be found in our lives when we back away from binary thinking and allow ourselves to feel compassion for how complex we all are. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

“How are you going to live your life in a way that is kind, and loving, and honest, and with integrity?” asks Sarah Hurwitz, former speechwriter for Michelle and Barack Obama and author of Here All Along. In her new book, Hurwitz rediscovered Judaism for herself, and today she shares some of the principles and traditions that could help anyone to create a more fulfilling life. She talks about different ways to feel spiritual, what it really means to tell the truth, and what she’s learned about gossiping. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Alejandro Junger, a functional medicine practitioner and author of the bestseller Clean, shares his transformative journey into wellness. He introduces his new seven-day detox program, Clean 7, emphasizing the importance of detoxification and dietary changes for optimal health. The conversation touches on intermittent fasting, its benefits for longevity, and the impact of modern synthetic chemicals on our bodies. Junger also highlights the rising popularity of IV vitamin therapy and the need for personalized health strategies in today’s wellness landscape.

“You don’t want to live on someone else’s fumes,” says Lisa Brennan-Jobs, author of Small Fry, abestselling memoir about growing up in Silicon Valley as the daughter of artist Chrisann Brennan and Apple legend Steve Jobs. Today, Brennan-Jobs and Elise Loehnen talk about the complicated feelings that often arise when we look back at our past—and about how we can sit with and process those feelings. They talk about learning to see our parents—and any human—as human, as multidimensional, as both good and flawed. “It’s hard for people to live their value system sometimes,” says Brennan-Jobs. But that doesn’t erase all the moments when they do. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

“When you put on your clothes, how do you feel?” asks Ingrid Fetell Lee, designer and author of the brilliantly researched book Joyful: The Surprising Power of Ordinary Things to Create Extraordinary Happiness. Fetell Lee sits down with Elise Loehnen to explore how different sensory experiences can help us tap into our joy again. They talk about why we, as a society, tend to devalue sensory experiences and label anything that is bright and colorful as frivolous. Fetell Lee shares some fascinating studies, science, and stories that connect our physical senses to our behavior and thought patterns. And she shares the simple tools that we can all use to make our lives a little more vibrant. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

“There are more and more academics and scientists becoming interested in matters that have to do with consciousness,” says Leslie Kean, journalist and author of Surviving Death. Kean joins chief content officer Elise Loehnen to talk about life’s greatest mysteries and the mounting evidence suggesting that consciousness is much bigger than our brains. They talk about how biology and spiritual meaning can and do coexist and what we can learn from psychic mediums. Kean shares fascinating stories about reincarnation and near-death experiences as well as a little bit about her coverage of UFOs (which she also wrote a book about). “The more I learn,” Kean says, “the more I realize how much I don’t know.” (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

“I was fully stuck in this neurotic paradox,” says life coach Sasha Heinz, who has a PhD in developmental psychology. That paradox might be familiar: “I do what I don’t want to do, and I don’t do what I want to do.” In this episode, Heinz sits down with Elise Loehnen (who happens to be an old friend) to talk about breaking free from mental blocks. Our thoughts, Heinz reminds us, are optional. And typically the thing between us and the outcome we want is a mind-set gap. Heinz shows us that we don’t always have to react to life—that we have the capability to create our future, and even to blow our own minds. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices