2 Pastors and a Mic

In this powerful message from Shane Willard, originally shared at the CIM Network Conference hosted by Hill City Church, we explore one of the most challenging and freeing questions for the Church today: Are we building fences to keep people out, or digging wells to draw people in?Using the story of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8, Shane unpacks what it means to move from a fence-based to a well-based faith - where inclusion, love, and transformation take priority over exclusion and rule-keeping. This teaching will stretch your perspective, challenge old paradigms, and inspire you to reimagine what it means to be a follower of Jesus in today’s world.00:00 - Intro & Podcast Update01:14 - Why We’re Sharing Shane Willard’s Sermons02:54 - Shane’s Opening & Vision for the Weekend06:48 - Two Framing Stories10:46 - From Fences to Wells11:13 - Acts 8 and the Eunuch's Question17:05 - Fence-Based vs. Well-Based Paradigms23:03 - The Unexpected Fruit in Ethiopia23:47 - 10 Contrasts Between Fence & Well-Based Churches27:06 - Hiddenness vs. Honesty in Church Culture28:09 - Measuring Distance vs. Direction31:24 - The Atheist Door Greeter Story33:04 - Legal Transaction vs. Way of Life36:12 - Heaven Now, Not Just Someday37:01 - God for Me vs. God for the World39:06 - From ‘Saved’ to ‘Thirsty’40:09 - What Makes a Thirsty Culture?41:47 - Jesus Redefines Access at the Temple43:30 - Wrestling With Application47:56 - Are We Digging Wells or Building Fences?49:06 - Final Blessing & Challenge

In this episode, we celebrate the release of Channock's first book, Enough Already. Hear the behind-the-scenes journey of writing, the emotional breakthroughs along the way, and why this legacy project matters. Whether you're an aspiring author or just love a good redemption story, this one will inspire you.00:00 - Intro & Birthday Shoutout00:51 - The Book Is Officially Live!01:52 - Why Channock Wrote "Enough Already"03:16 - Accountability and the 3-Year Delay04:49 - The Shancock Bante Alter Ego06:32 - Wrestling with Identity and Freedom08:00 - Writing Process and Chapter Development10:45 - Tools and Help Along the Way12:21 - Misconceptions About Shancock Bante13:54 - Childhood, Church Trauma, and Expectations15:00 - Creating the Book Outline16:06 - The War Room Milestone17:36 - Editing, Reordering, and Final Chapter19:05 - Favorite and Hardest Chapters to Write21:00 - Full Chapter Titles Overview23:22 - Chapter Highlights and Reflections25:02 - Title Meaning: Enough Already26:16 - A Bold and Vulnerable Confession27:00 - Final Thoughts and Encouragement

In this episode, we sit down with Jamie Englehart to talk grace, identity, emotional health, and spiritual growth. Jamie unpacks the difference between objective and subjective truth and shares why emotional healing is essential before spiritual maturity. We also discuss Channock’s new book Enough Already - launching June 25 on Amazon!Don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe.00:00 - Intro & Book Launch01:21 - Jamie Englehart Joins the Conversation03:27 - Jamie’s Impact and Ministry Heart04:25 - Objective vs Subjective Truth07:04 - Faith, Healing, and Experiencing Truth10:03 - True Gospel and Experiential Transformation11:09 - Advice for Young Leaders13:05 - Emotional Health Before Theology17:01 - Study People, Not Just Theology19:48 - Fathers Meet Needs, Not All Needs20:59 - What Hills Are You Willing to Die On?26:59 - All Are Children of God27:59 - Upcoming Africa Trip & Staying Grounded29:46 - Follow Jamie & Final Words30:04 - Outro

In this episode, we welcome back Dr. Robin Smit to talk all things writing, publishing, and legacy. Whether you’ve dreamed of writing a book or just need a creative nudge, this conversation is packed with encouragement, practical advice, and stories that will inspire you to start.00:00 - Intro & Welcome  00:52 - Special Guest: Dr. Robin Smit Returns  01:44 - Why Everyone Should Write a Book  02:36 - Founding of TWWS (The Writers' Society)  03:28 - From Workshops to Publishing  04:20 - Helping Authors Like Don Keathley & Tommy Miller05:12 - Saying Yes to Empowering Writers  06:04 - Publishing Growth & Author Milestones  06:56 - The Legacy Society & Honoring Seasoned Voices  07:48 - Co-Authored Projects: Free to Give, Gather & Be Free  08:40 - Finding Your Voice: Women Authors Project  09:32 - Resurrection Life: Poetry & Art Collaboration  10:24 - Workshops for Aspiring Authors  11:16 - The Mentoring Workshop Experience  12:08 - Robin’s Tips for New Writers  13:00 - Channock’s Journey to Becoming an Author  13:52 - Writing for Legacy and Family  14:44 - How to Start: Write One Story at a Time  15:36 - The Power of Momentum in Writing  16:28 - Memoirs That Transform Lives  17:20 - Don’t Let Your Story Die with You  18:12 - Legacy over Bestseller Status  19:04 - How to Connect with Robin & TWWS  19:56 - Final Encouragement & Podcast Sign-Off

In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Robin Smit to discuss her book Behold the Lamb, the finished work of Christ, and why our identity as sinless is a game-changer. Packed with insight, encouragement, and powerful truths about grace, we think you'll enjoy this conversation.00:00 - Welcome and Milestone Announcement01:10 - Introducing Dr. Robin Smit01:49 - Book Series Overview & Two-Part Interview02:24 - Travel and Author Update02:44 - Robin’s Writing Journey Begins03:41 - From Article to First Book04:48 - Publishing Strategy and Second Book05:35 - Writing Challenges and Book Three06:04 - Behold the Lamb: Doctoral Dissertation06:38 - Why “Behold the Lamb” Matters07:52 - How Many Books Has Robin Written?08:54 - Roots of Grace Revelation09:53 - Embracing Whole Redemption Now10:42 - Once You See It, You Can’t Unsee It11:55 - Key Teachings and Identity Language13:00 - Exploring Sin as Dysfunction14:06 - Adam’s Identity as Son of God14:58 - Book Recommendation & Wrap-Up

In this episode, we sit down with our friend Zoran from Macedonia to talk about grace, calling, and the beauty of living a life led by the Spirit. His stories, prophetic insight, and heart for people will leave you encouraged and challenged. Don’t miss this powerful conversation!00:08 - Intro and Welcome01:20 - Special Guest Introduction: Zoran03:00 - First Encounter and Prophetic Encouragement04:10 - Zoran’s Family and Global Ministry06:45 - Embracing Grace and Loving All People10:00 - Ministry Work in Macedonia13:00 - Activating Hidden Callings in Others16:00 - Prophetic Words and Long-Term Impact18:30 - Faith, Grace, and Practical Spirituality20:45 - The Power of Words and Unexpected Impact22:00 - Encouragement from James 1:1724:00 - Life Is a Gift and Perfect Moments25:00 - Zoran’s Website and Social Media26:00 - Closing Thoughts and Book Promo27:00 - Final Blessing and Sign-Off

In this episode, we’re joined by the brilliant Shane Willard for a powerful and thought-provoking conversation on the gospel, reconciliation, and why Jesus prioritized tables over tablets. Despite a technical glitch, this AI-enhanced episode captures one of the richest interviews we’ve ever had. Shane unpacks theology with humor, clarity, and depth - covering everything from Acts 8 to redefining righteousness, and why true spirituality is about digging deeper wells, not building higher fences.➡️ Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe.📘 Preorder Channock’s new book Enough Already (releasing June 25)🌐 Learn more about Shane at shanewillardministries.org00:00 - Intro & Audio Glitch Explanation01:00 - Celebrating 100K Downloads02:17 - Introducing Shane Willard03:48 - Cultural Impact & Leadership at Hill City05:48 - Wells vs. Fences Metaphor09:01 - Acts 8 & The Ethiopian Eunuch12:59 - Static Bible vs. Living Word16:00 - Philip’s Dilemma & Living Scripture17:30 - Shane's Theological Journey21:36 - Reclaiming the Meaning of Words25:30 - Righteousness, Generosity, and Biblical Language29:30 - Tables vs. Tablets & Reconciliation35:30 - Philippians Preview & No Grumbling Message39:00 - Where to Find Shane Willard43:00 - Missions & Children's Homes45:30 - Closing Declaration

In this final episode of the “Let’s Talk About Hell” series, we answer listener questions, unpack common objections, and offer five reasons to follow Jesus that have nothing to do with eternal punishment. It’s not fear that transforms us - it’s love, peace, and purpose.This isn’t about abandoning faith - it’s about deepening it.00:00 - Welcome & No Question of the Week00:26 - Celebrating a Record-Breaking Week01:01 - Listener Highlight: Jordan’s Testimony02:20 - Shoutouts to the Team & Studio Upgrade03:01 - Handmade Gift from Bobby03:52 - Gratitude for the Hill City Team04:46 - Jumping into Week 4 of “Let’s Talk About Hell”05:41 - Reminder: This Isn’t Exhaustive Theology06:16 - Upcoming Conference with Shane Willard06:56 - Transforming Gehenna: The Redeeming God08:52 - Rapid Fire Listener Questions09:19 - Does Suicide Send You to Hell?10:18 - What About Revelation 21:8?11:32 - The “Depart from Me” Verses12:26 - Common Questions About Hell & Christianity12:48 - If There’s No Hell, Why Follow Jesus?13:52 - Dr. Matt Pandell & Jacob Wright Quotes14:50 - Reframing Evangelism Without Fear15:28 - Reason 1: Abundant Life Now (John 10:10)16:20 - Understanding Union With Christ17:33 - John 20: Purpose of the Gospel18:14 - Reason 2: Responsibility to Bring Heaven Now19:05 - Brian Zahnd: People Need Love, Not Threats20:01 - Why This Matters More Than Afterlife Doctrine21:00 - Real Life Campaign: Being the Church Daily21:58 - Reason 3: Living Intentionally & Leaving a Legacy23:11 - Writing Books for Generational Impact24:00 - Citizenship in Heaven, Residency on Earth24:34 - Reason 4: Perspective in Pain25:48 - Reason 5: Peace That Surpasses Understanding27:23 - Evangelism as Restoration, Not Saving Souls28:30 - Closing Thoughts: Peace Over Fear29:10 - Belief Activates the Truth in You29:27 - Final Word: You Are Loved—And Nothing Can Change That

In this week’s episode, we dive into part 3 of our series on Hell - challenging traditional beliefs about hell, unpacking Jewish and early church perspectives, and exploring why fear has no place in the gospel. We share listener feedback, address theological criticism, and ask some hard but necessary questions about God's love, judgment, and what it really means to follow Jesus.Whether you're curious, skeptical, or wrestling with your own faith journey, this conversation is meant to open dialogue - not shut it down.00:00 - Welcome & Podcast Intro00:23 - The Purpose Behind These Conversations01:16 - Feedback and Questions from Listeners02:04 - Responding to Online Criticism03:30 - Coloring Books, Theology, and Humor05:06 - Nearly 100K Downloads & Gratitude05:41 - Preaching About Hell at Church06:54 - Why We Talk About Hell Publicly07:59 - Announcing the New Ebook on Judgment & Wrath08:42 - Week 3: What the Hell Series Intro09:27 - Recap of the Four Hell Words in Scripture10:04 - Diversity of Jewish Thought on the Afterlife11:19 - Olam Haba & Resurrection Beliefs11:59 - Gehenna as Temporary Purification12:48 - Recommended Deep Dive: John Crowder Teaching13:35 - God's Fire as Healing, Not Harm14:12 - Powerful Quotes About God's Wrath14:52 - Fire Reveals the True Self16:00 - The Real Goal: Removing Fear from Theology17:04 - Biblical Love Casts Out Fear17:16 - A Biblical View of Hell as Earthly Experience18:19 - Hell as Earthly Suffering, Not Afterlife Threat19:02 - 70 AD vs. Afterlife: What Was Jesus Talking About?19:49 - Hell Shouldn't Be in Gospel Presentations20:56 - Adam vs. Jesus: Who Holds More Power?21:25 - Paul’s Gospel Never Mentions Hell22:10 - What the Disciples Did—and Didn’t—Say About Hell23:16 - No NT Precedent for Hell in the Gospel23:49 - Old Covenant vs. New Covenant Logic Breakdown24:46 - Jesus as High Priest vs. OT Priests25:12 - Challenging Question: Is Eternal Hell Logical?26:04 - The Tragic Case of Andrea Yates27:06 - Atonement Theory Breakdown: Did Jesus Suffer Hell?28:13 - Jesus Defeated Death—Not Suffering in It28:42 - God Is Love, Not Death and Torture29:18 - Defining Hell: No Longer Being Able to Love29:35 - Empowerment to Manifest Heaven30:15 - Manifesting Heaven or Hell: You Choose30:49 - Closing Reminder: You Are Loved

Join us for week two on our conversation about hell.00:00 - Welcome and Podcast Intro00:23 - Celebrating Feedback from Last Episode01:46 - Shoutouts to Supporters and Hill City Church03:09 - Theology Must Lead to Love04:26 - Personal Encouragement and Emotional Funk05:45 - Why We’re Talking About Hell: Removing Fear06:59 - Challenging Harmful Beliefs and Church History08:05 - Clarifying Early Church Views on Hell09:53 - Foundations and Origins of Hell11:05 - Gehenna and Jesus’ Use of Fire Metaphors11:51 - Understanding Destruction and Restoration12:48 - Wrestling with Free Will and God's Mercy13:55 - Did Jesus Really Talk About Hell More Than Anything?15:04 - Unpacking Gehenna, Hades, and Hell Translations17:02 - Exploring the Four Words Translated as Hell18:47 - Jesus’ Context for “Gates of Hades”20:17 - Tartarus and Its Misunderstood Meaning21:40 - Deep Dive into Gehenna23:12 - 70 AD Destruction and Jesus’ Warnings25:01 - Prophetic Warnings from Jeremiah and Isaiah27:01 - Symbolism Behind “Worms” and “Unquenchable Fire”28:53 - James and the Tongue Set on Fire by Gehenna30:21 - The Importance of Studying End Times (Eschatology)32:07 - Final Thoughts on Debate and Interpretation33:39 - Key Question: Does Your Belief Serve You Well?34:55 - Ending in Love, Not Fear